| So these speed limits 09:40 - Jan 27 with 2777 views | onehunglow |
When do they revert back
Seems rather waste of money
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| So these speed limits on 11:22 - Feb 1 with 681 views | max936 |
| So these speed limits on 23:23 - Jan 30 by onehunglow |
Better on horseback if you're going to those places |
Steptoe's horse & cart be better, I got tools and parts to carry  |  |
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| So these speed limits on 11:32 - Feb 1 with 653 views | onehunglow |
| So these speed limits on 11:22 - Feb 1 by max936 |
Steptoe's horse & cart be better, I got tools and parts to carry |
How’s he doing btw | |
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| So these speed limits on 12:06 - Feb 1 with 621 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| So these speed limits on 11:06 - Feb 1 by Whiterockin |
The stats are not available to differentiate between 20 mph and 30 mph roads, the stats blanket them together. So it is impossible to say categorically that the change to 20 mph has made any difference. Provide stats for 20 mph roads and we can judge if there is an improvement. |
Every road accident reported is recorded, therefore the speed limit on the road location is straightforward to identify. If it wasn't they would not be able to differentiate 30 mph roads from say 40 mph roads and so it's possible to identify 20mph roads. |  |
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| So these speed limits on 12:09 - Feb 1 with 606 views | controversial_jack |
| So these speed limits on 11:06 - Feb 1 by Whiterockin |
The stats are not available to differentiate between 20 mph and 30 mph roads, the stats blanket them together. So it is impossible to say categorically that the change to 20 mph has made any difference. Provide stats for 20 mph roads and we can judge if there is an improvement. |
Those are impossible to ascertain. We cannot determine what speeds cars are travelling when they crash,especially at such low speeds, but figures have shown that many crashes and lives have been saved since the introduction of these limits. They didn't happen before the introduction, so it's fairly safe to say that they have reduced accidents. There has been an improvement since this policy was introduced
Not much in life gives 100% proof,but we have to believe that beyond reasonable doubt that this is the case | | | |
| So these speed limits (n/t) on 12:26 - Feb 1 with 581 views | Whiterockin |
| So these speed limits on 12:06 - Feb 1 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Every road accident reported is recorded, therefore the speed limit on the road location is straightforward to identify. If it wasn't they would not be able to differentiate 30 mph roads from say 40 mph roads and so it's possible to identify 20mph roads. |
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| So these speed limits on 12:35 - Feb 1 with 566 views | Whiterockin |
| So these speed limits on 12:09 - Feb 1 by controversial_jack |
Those are impossible to ascertain. We cannot determine what speeds cars are travelling when they crash,especially at such low speeds, but figures have shown that many crashes and lives have been saved since the introduction of these limits. They didn't happen before the introduction, so it's fairly safe to say that they have reduced accidents. There has been an improvement since this policy was introduced
Not much in life gives 100% proof,but we have to believe that beyond reasonable doubt that this is the case |
I'm not talking about what speed cars aee travelling at. The whole point is the 20 mph and 30 mph roads are grouped together for stats. Show me the stats for the 20 mph roads and then a like for like comparison is possible before and after the changes. Without these provided there is no substance in the claims. The stats are available to the Senedd, just provide them. Is the reason they are not because it's not in their interest. Others can see this you can't, it's so obvious you must have a reason. | | | |
| So these speed limits on 13:50 - Feb 1 with 512 views | Boundy |
| So these speed limits on 12:09 - Feb 1 by controversial_jack |
Those are impossible to ascertain. We cannot determine what speeds cars are travelling when they crash,especially at such low speeds, but figures have shown that many crashes and lives have been saved since the introduction of these limits. They didn't happen before the introduction, so it's fairly safe to say that they have reduced accidents. There has been an improvement since this policy was introduced
Not much in life gives 100% proof,but we have to believe that beyond reasonable doubt that this is the case |
Your last sentence , no we don't until the proof is produced. | |
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| So these speed limits on 17:44 - Feb 1 with 492 views | max936 |
| So these speed limits on 11:32 - Feb 1 by onehunglow |
How’s he doing btw |
Who the horse ?
I'm not very happy Mrs has hid my salted peanuts, she's rationed them because of my BP crazy woman.  | |
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| So these speed limits on 17:51 - Feb 1 with 488 views | onehunglow |
| So these speed limits on 17:44 - Feb 1 by max936 |
Who the horse ?
I'm not very happy Mrs has hid my salted peanuts, she's rationed them because of my BP crazy woman. |
I’m on tablets for BP and told I’m due for a check.
Fook that, right now as I’m seething | |
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| So these speed limits on 17:58 - Feb 1 with 486 views | SullutaCreturned |
| So these speed limits on 12:09 - Feb 1 by controversial_jack |
Those are impossible to ascertain. We cannot determine what speeds cars are travelling when they crash,especially at such low speeds, but figures have shown that many crashes and lives have been saved since the introduction of these limits. They didn't happen before the introduction, so it's fairly safe to say that they have reduced accidents. There has been an improvement since this policy was introduced
Not much in life gives 100% proof,but we have to believe that beyond reasonable doubt that this is the case |
The Semedd has the stats but they haven't produced them and when you ask why not then that in itself is reasonable doubt.
If the stats for 20mph roads alone showed a decrease in serious injuries and deaths then they woukd be shouting it from the rooftops. The fact they mix the facts together proves nothing but causes doubt. Why fudge the figures unless they don't prove your point?
What if the figures prove that 20mph roads are actually no safer than the 30 roads? That could easily be the case because so many people ignore the 20. | | | |
| So these speed limits on 00:30 - Feb 2 with 403 views | controversial_jack |
| So these speed limits on 17:58 - Feb 1 by SullutaCreturned |
The Semedd has the stats but they haven't produced them and when you ask why not then that in itself is reasonable doubt.
If the stats for 20mph roads alone showed a decrease in serious injuries and deaths then they woukd be shouting it from the rooftops. The fact they mix the facts together proves nothing but causes doubt. Why fudge the figures unless they don't prove your point?
What if the figures prove that 20mph roads are actually no safer than the 30 roads? That could easily be the case because so many people ignore the 20. |
Stats prove that since the introduction of 30mph limits, serious incidents have been reduced by 28%
This is just not a small trend down, it's a huge drop
100 families have been spared heartbreak by this policy. It would have saved the NHS a fortune too.
Credit must be given to Drakeford and co for this. | | | |
| So these speed limits on 12:13 - Feb 2 with 326 views | Whiterockin |
| So these speed limits on 00:30 - Feb 2 by controversial_jack |
Stats prove that since the introduction of 30mph limits, serious incidents have been reduced by 28%
This is just not a small trend down, it's a huge drop
100 families have been spared heartbreak by this policy. It would have saved the NHS a fortune too.
Credit must be given to Drakeford and co for this. |
The 30 mph speed limit was introduced in the 1930s when there were hardly any cars on the road, I don't see how accidents have been reduced. | | | |
| So these speed limits on 17:14 - Feb 2 with 263 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| So these speed limits on 18:14 - Jan 30 by raynor94 |
Gors avenue on ITV news now, over 4000 have been prosecuted on that stretch, what a money earner |
All paid for by the speedsters then. Good result. Why can they not just go to the printers and do a plastic all weather 3 to put of the 2. Sub contacts would do the job for £30,00 with a fair wind. |  |
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| So these speed limits on 17:15 - Feb 2 with 261 views | controversial_jack |
| So these speed limits on 12:13 - Feb 2 by Whiterockin |
The 30 mph speed limit was introduced in the 1930s when there were hardly any cars on the road, I don't see how accidents have been reduced. |
Accidents have been reduced since the 20mph limit was brought in recently | | | |
| So these speed limits on 17:30 - Feb 2 with 247 views | Whiterockin |
| So these speed limits on 17:15 - Feb 2 by controversial_jack |
Accidents have been reduced since the 20mph limit was brought in recently |
Prove it.
Show me the stats referencing the 20 mph only pre the introduction and since, then we can look at actual facts. The Senedd won't release this data and prefer to group it with other speed limits that were not changed why? Because the information is not beneficial to their argument supporting the introduction. Provide facts regarding the 20 mph only, if not back out. [Post edited 2 Feb 17:30]
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| So these speed limits on 17:58 - Feb 2 with 215 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| So these speed limits on 17:30 - Feb 2 by Whiterockin |
Prove it.
Show me the stats referencing the 20 mph only pre the introduction and since, then we can look at actual facts. The Senedd won't release this data and prefer to group it with other speed limits that were not changed why? Because the information is not beneficial to their argument supporting the introduction. Provide facts regarding the 20 mph only, if not back out. [Post edited 2 Feb 17:30]
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Not sure this will satisfy you but just about all accidents are recorded by insurance companies.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/jun/09/vehicle-damage-claims-w [Post edited 2 Feb 19:13]
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| So these speed limits on 18:32 - Feb 2 with 195 views | SullutaCreturned |
I wonder? It could depend on a few things there but what if peoples insurance has gone up so much that more of us are settling minor bangs between themselves and the other party, just to save on insurance? Of course it depends on the damage, how much it costs but paying a few hundred quid in cash could save you money, specially the quite young.
There is also the wee factoid that accidents have been dropping ever since covid...
From the net,
Yes, according to recent data from the UK government, car accidents (measured by reported road casualties) have been dropping in Great Britain, with a general downward trend observed over the past few years, including a decline in fatalities and seriously injured casualties compared to the previous year; this trend is particularly noticeable since the COVID-19 pandemic period when traffic significantly decreased.
Key points about the decline in UK car accidents:
Overall trend:
A consistent decrease in road casualties across different severity levels has been observed in recent years.
Fatality rate:
The number of fatalities per billion vehicle miles traveled has also been declining.
So is it entirely down to the 20 mph or is it a mixture of things? | | | |
| So these speed limits on 19:20 - Feb 2 with 168 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| So these speed limits on 18:32 - Feb 2 by SullutaCreturned |
I wonder? It could depend on a few things there but what if peoples insurance has gone up so much that more of us are settling minor bangs between themselves and the other party, just to save on insurance? Of course it depends on the damage, how much it costs but paying a few hundred quid in cash could save you money, specially the quite young.
There is also the wee factoid that accidents have been dropping ever since covid...
From the net,
Yes, according to recent data from the UK government, car accidents (measured by reported road casualties) have been dropping in Great Britain, with a general downward trend observed over the past few years, including a decline in fatalities and seriously injured casualties compared to the previous year; this trend is particularly noticeable since the COVID-19 pandemic period when traffic significantly decreased.
Key points about the decline in UK car accidents:
Overall trend:
A consistent decrease in road casualties across different severity levels has been observed in recent years.
Fatality rate:
The number of fatalities per billion vehicle miles traveled has also been declining.
So is it entirely down to the 20 mph or is it a mixture of things? |
The minister involved has advised on data collection over several years which is reasonable. I saw in a residential area of USA the limits was 25 mph. This seems more sensible and has authorities no doubt gave a lot of data and usually ahead of us on most research things. | |
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| So these speed limits on 10:43 - Feb 3 with 97 views | controversial_jack |
That backs up the govts figures. 20% reduction in accidents and 28% drop in serious accidents and deaths. Welsh done the Welsh govt. We need more enforcement to reduce it even further | | | |
| So these speed limits on 14:27 - Feb 3 with 36 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| So these speed limits on 10:43 - Feb 3 by controversial_jack |
That backs up the govts figures. 20% reduction in accidents and 28% drop in serious accidents and deaths. Welsh done the Welsh govt. We need more enforcement to reduce it even further |
Looks positive, but it is data from one insurer up to the first quarter of 2024. No more up to date data from insurers? | |
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