| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? 21:54 - Dec 21 with 8982 views | numptydumpty |
A decent run of form solves a great deal of ills.
I was as worried as most with our direction and it truly wasn't smelling of roses around here for long periods.
I can't say hardly anyone saw this coming but things are seriously looking much much better.
So as for signings
Nardi
Morrison
Varane
Morgan
Saito
All looking good
Signings injured but have had few signs of improvement
Dembele
Celar
Youth players progressing well
Kolli
Lloyd
Other signings - some hopes
Ashby
Madsen
Ones that a way to go
Santos
Bennie
Existing squad players performing / injured
Cook
Dunne
Smyth
Field
Chair
Frey
JCS
Colback
Others
Paal
EDB
Anderson
Seems a squad that does have more depth than previously if we look at recent form.
Was Nourry ster right all along???
And as soon as we have all been made aware of who is injured once when they are due back - has coincided with upturn in form.
Suddenly this forum has all gone quiet on the Nourry Out rhetoric !!!
Am not being a smart a*se. I was worried about the set up as much as anyone,..
Was the data right all along ??
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| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 21:39 - Dec 22 with 1926 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 08:09 - Dec 22 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
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Madsen is the one for me. ÂŁX millions and the bloke can't even tackle.
Oh, and the self inflicted left back problem. |
Completely agree but I guess we just have to âtrust the processâ with Madsen. I canât see it working out but then heâs just not my sort of player. The cool kids on Twitter seem to think heâs doing ok but I canât see it yet. The left-back situation was indeed a farce that will have to be remedied unless Larkeche is the grand plan.
Not going to get overexcited now weâre at the dizzy heights of 14th just as it was silly to overreact after half a dozen games. If we can be here in March knowing we arenât going down and needing an unlikely but possible run to nab sixth thatâll do. |  | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 22:18 - Dec 22 with 1828 views | LongRanger |
Whilst heâs the self appointed head of recruitment, there is a lot more to being a CEO than signings, this club, despite a short run of wins and draws, is clearly not in a good place, we need and should expect better than a dishonest 27 year old with zero experience.
Nardi, Morrison and Varane are doing well, it doesnât make him a good CEO. | | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 22:30 - Dec 22 with 1774 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 08:45 - Dec 22 by dmm |
Marti should get the credit for finding solutions to the issues resulting from Nourry's decisions. Some of the players too. If we had a lesser manager we'd be in deeper shit.
"Nourry out" for me too. |
How many more times! Marti has significant input into all player signings, as he's said himself, as well as saying numerous times he trusts and likes his players and their mentality. All performance-related problems are everyone's issue at the club, but mostly the coach's as (i) he is involved in recruitment, (ii) trains the players, and (iii) implements the playing style/game plan, who gets credit or criticism accordingly. He was rightly being questioned by some of us at least when we were down among the dead men, and still is when we look at games like Oxford and Bristol City, and yesterday he and his players get some rapturous/cautious applause. That's the way it works, and Marti knows that as well as anyone. [Post edited 22 Dec 22:31]
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| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 22:35 - Dec 22 with 1764 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 22:18 - Dec 22 by LongRanger |
Whilst heâs the self appointed head of recruitment, there is a lot more to being a CEO than signings, this club, despite a short run of wins and draws, is clearly not in a good place, we need and should expect better than a dishonest 27 year old with zero experience.
Nardi, Morrison and Varane are doing well, it doesnât make him a good CEO. |
Nourry doesn't have 'zero' experience in football, even if he seems to have sugarcoated his CV (as I'm sure many of us have) to some degree.
Just out of interest - what would it take to revise your opinion of him as CEO or at least dial down on the agenda-driven hysteria about him that's been promulgated here?
If you really think he's a fraud, it's Hoos and the owners you should be turning your ire on, I suggest, as he didn't get the role of CEO by abracadabra. | |
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| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 22:40 - Dec 22 with 1733 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 10:37 - Dec 22 by dmm |
You may prove right about Nourry in the long term, but the issues with this CEO are not only about player recruitment. His communication (or rather the lack of it) strategy has pee'd off a large section of the fans and he appears to have shut down Cifuentes' engagement with this site and the supporters evening. That's control freakery which, in my experience, always rings alarm bells. |
Except you don't know that Marti didn't appear at the FF because he was prevented from doing so, so you're peddling tiresome speculation as if it were fact. What does that leave you and your ilk with? The fact that Cifuentes won't/doesn't want to talk to a fans site - which again may well be MC's personal decision (and prerogative)? That's just risible! We all enjoy posting here, but we're really not that important - what part of that don't you get?
I'm not convinced of Nourry, but I'm not convinced of Marti either, or the owners, or some of the players, so take a chill pill (I know it's me talking before the usual suspects pile in with their hilarious emoticon-laden sideswipes), and enjoy the weekend! [Post edited 22 Dec 22:44]
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| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 22:49 - Dec 22 with 1736 views | Dorse |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 22:40 - Dec 22 by stainrods_elbow |
Except you don't know that Marti didn't appear at the FF because he was prevented from doing so, so you're peddling tiresome speculation as if it were fact. What does that leave you and your ilk with? The fact that Cifuentes won't/doesn't want to talk to a fans site - which again may well be MC's personal decision (and prerogative)? That's just risible! We all enjoy posting here, but we're really not that important - what part of that don't you get?
I'm not convinced of Nourry, but I'm not convinced of Marti either, or the owners, or some of the players, so take a chill pill (I know it's me talking before the usual suspects pile in with their hilarious emoticon-laden sideswipes), and enjoy the weekend! [Post edited 22 Dec 22:44]
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'Not that important'...?! How DARE you!
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| Where are the on 23:23 - Dec 22 with 1680 views | GaryHaddock |
| Where are the on 09:57 - Dec 22 by stevec |
Granted, the forward signings have been less than good, but Nardi, Varane, Morgan and Morrison have been excellent signings.
To be fair, I donât think many of the signings were brought in to start games, largely theyâre here to give us a better bench, theyâre young and would have slowly been introduced to the first team. Iâd say only Nardi, Dembele and possibly Madsen were brought in to start. Sadly we were quickly decimated by injuries to first team regulars and theyâve all had to play far sooner than intended.
Weâve had a successful first half of 2024 under this regime and a poor second half although that has presently improved. Itâll be interesting to see if the club fall back on the recent improvement as a cushion for the rest of the season, which might easily backfire, or try to do something about CF in Jan and be better set up for the start of next season.
Now is not really the time to be pulling against the existing club structure. |
'Now is not really the time to be pulling against the existing club structure'
Not sure a few whiny words on a football forum is that. There are no 'Nourry Out' painted bedsheets. |  | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 23:28 - Dec 22 with 1664 views | muckduck |
Yeah we did seem to forget about 99% of the off the pitch problems when Mick Beale had us top of the league. Sometimes the on field results genuinely do control the narrative entirely.
Some of the Nourry criticism is really fair IMO. Though some take it way too far. The communication with fans, potentially an over-reliance on data (if we didn't have Marti as coach, would we be adrift already?) and ironically the bigger money signings being the most suspect (Madsen, Celar).
With that said, some of the newbies are extremely impressive as the OP has mentioned - we really only need one to go for big money to recoup any losses on the players that don't work out. Nourry also had a big role to play in moving away from the Ainsworth style of football and recruiting Marti (though I imagine he's exaggerated his involvement in this a fair bit).
I think he has been somewhat fortunate with Marti's coaching bailing us out of what could have been an even worse start, but alot of his suggestions and improvements are really healthy for the club - if he's willing to amend mistakes (communication) and learn along the way I don't think it's fair to hold it against him.
It gets mentioned quite alot about our head of Performance working remotely - Whilst it would be nice to have him UK based, the exact same processes that were successful last season would still be in place - he shouldn't need to be there in person to re-inforce this, it should already be being done. Really don't think the growing injury list is a direct impact of him working remotely, I get why it would be annoying to some but I just don't see it.
Overall for me, I think he has the right objectives in terms of where we need to move to as a club - but the execution of this has been really turbulent particularly with the injury situation, somewhat outside of his control. Certainly not calling for a new CEO anyhow. | | | |
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| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 06:34 - Dec 23 with 1470 views | dmm |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 22:30 - Dec 22 by stainrods_elbow |
How many more times! Marti has significant input into all player signings, as he's said himself, as well as saying numerous times he trusts and likes his players and their mentality. All performance-related problems are everyone's issue at the club, but mostly the coach's as (i) he is involved in recruitment, (ii) trains the players, and (iii) implements the playing style/game plan, who gets credit or criticism accordingly. He was rightly being questioned by some of us at least when we were down among the dead men, and still is when we look at games like Oxford and Bristol City, and yesterday he and his players get some rapturous/cautious applause. That's the way it works, and Marti knows that as well as anyone. [Post edited 22 Dec 22:31]
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Rude as ever.
Yes, I know Cifuentes has input into signings just as Belk does but, as CEO and de facto director of football, the buck stops with Nourry. While he must then take the lion share of the blame, Cifuentes has to find the solutions.
And, in regard to your reply to my other post regarding Nourry's communication strategy, your argument works both ways. You don't know either. I prefer to take Clive's perspective on this particular issue rather than a contrarian like you. |  | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 07:48 - Dec 23 with 1372 views | daveB |
for me not much has changed really, I still think Nourry has bullshitted his way into running the club and I have big concerns about how it will end up. The recruitment last summer, lack of cover at left back and uo front,stll no playmaker in midfield which is desperatly needed to make Martis style work, big money spent on Madsen and Celar, neither of them likely to do much for us, Marti just doesn't trust Madsen he went with Bennie over him on saturday when he made the subs
Something doesn't smell right about it all but credit to the manager and the players for an excellent few weeks when they have rolled sleeves up and fought hard for the club and their teams mates |  | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 07:54 - Dec 23 with 1361 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 22:35 - Dec 22 by stainrods_elbow |
Nourry doesn't have 'zero' experience in football, even if he seems to have sugarcoated his CV (as I'm sure many of us have) to some degree.
Just out of interest - what would it take to revise your opinion of him as CEO or at least dial down on the agenda-driven hysteria about him that's been promulgated here?
If you really think he's a fraud, it's Hoos and the owners you should be turning your ire on, I suggest, as he didn't get the role of CEO by abracadabra. |
Yeah, those 11 years in football he did before he turned 26 have certainly helped. Child genius.
"Only one left back, Marti? Nah, we'll be OK, but I got you another right back just in case." | | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 08:11 - Dec 23 with 1282 views | gazza1 |
I do not know enough about this bloke or what happens behind the scenes.....it amazes me that so many posters have an opinion about the bloke. | | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 08:45 - Dec 23 with 1215 views | numptydumpty |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 07:54 - Dec 23 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Yeah, those 11 years in football he did before he turned 26 have certainly helped. Child genius.
"Only one left back, Marti? Nah, we'll be OK, but I got you another right back just in case." |
Crikey.
You made your point about the left back issue.
To be fair we have got Paal, and also Fox who has played left back as many times as he has played centre back and JCS has filled in there previously also.
The latter two seemingly more injured than fit and Paal injured occasionally and out of form.
And yes Santos was a mistake hence why Ashby brought in.
Probably more down to Belk than Nourry but bash Nourry consistently with this one.
And for whatever Nourry is or isn't, if you think he is the problem, having exaggerated his CV, it's the owners you should be calling out.
The multi millionaire businessmen that appointed him, who obviously according to yourself been shafted by a young guy exaggerating his CV. As if they have never seen that kind of thing before.
Give the guy some time. We are not in this for the short term.
Clearly whatever you do as a job, you have got every decision you have ever made 100% on the money.
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| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 09:24 - Dec 23 with 1137 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 07:48 - Dec 23 by daveB |
for me not much has changed really, I still think Nourry has bullshitted his way into running the club and I have big concerns about how it will end up. The recruitment last summer, lack of cover at left back and uo front,stll no playmaker in midfield which is desperatly needed to make Martis style work, big money spent on Madsen and Celar, neither of them likely to do much for us, Marti just doesn't trust Madsen he went with Bennie over him on saturday when he made the subs
Something doesn't smell right about it all but credit to the manager and the players for an excellent few weeks when they have rolled sleeves up and fought hard for the club and their teams mates |
Youâve not mentioned at all the numerous players weâve signed that are proving to be good signings Dave. |  | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 10:27 - Dec 23 with 1051 views | baz_qpr |
Ashby was brought in because Reggie Cannon lost his case and they had to release. Santos was never meant to be 2nd choice right back he was a cheap punt
The comment about Cifuentes not trusting Madsen is BS. Cifuentes has never brought on Madsen to play wide right for Smyth it's either Anderson if we need a goal or Bennie if we need legs and to be more defensive to protect a lead |  | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 10:41 - Dec 23 with 1003 views | JamesB1979 |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 09:24 - Dec 23 by Ned_Kennedys |
Youâve not mentioned at all the numerous players weâve signed that are proving to be good signings Dave. |
I think mentioned earlier but we have done well in players weâve sold or released. I donât think we can look and say âI wish weâd kept himâ. I wanted to keep Willock and Sinclair but both have done little since leaving. | | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 10:46 - Dec 23 with 990 views | LongRanger |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 22:35 - Dec 22 by stainrods_elbow |
Nourry doesn't have 'zero' experience in football, even if he seems to have sugarcoated his CV (as I'm sure many of us have) to some degree.
Just out of interest - what would it take to revise your opinion of him as CEO or at least dial down on the agenda-driven hysteria about him that's been promulgated here?
If you really think he's a fraud, it's Hoos and the owners you should be turning your ire on, I suggest, as he didn't get the role of CEO by abracadabra. |
Fair question....I'd like to see/hear the strategy he has for the club, the 10 year vision, what are the key pillars to delivering that vision and strategy. I'd assume those centre around player development, given our investment into the training ground, player recruitment and business operations, so what are the the key objectives for these areas, what are the timelines and how they all piece together to deliver a cohesive plan to move the club back on to a successful path. I would expect this to be initially shared at the fans forum and then provide ongoing progress updates at the forums, I believe there should be 3 per season, at the start, middle and end of season. I'd expect to hear from him, the heads of operations, development and recruitment, as well as the first team manager at these forums. I'd then expect forums to allow for fans to have the freedom to ask unvetted questions to this panel, I'd like him to engage with the leading fan groups on a regular basis to get feedback and share relevant updates.
Your point about the owners/Hoos/investors/shareholders, as a CEO, his role is to manage them and engage them, take their feedback to enhance/amend his plan as needed, but ultimately he knows and they know, the responsibility for delivery of the strategy and meeting performance targets sit solely with the CEO, he/she is then measured on that.
The performance of the 10 players signed in the summer is a peripheral point.
I'm sure I've missed many relevant points, but in the 10mins I've had to think about your question, this is what would make me revise my opinion, and I'd love that to happen. | | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 11:01 - Dec 23 with 925 views | daveB |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 09:24 - Dec 23 by Ned_Kennedys |
Youâve not mentioned at all the numerous players weâve signed that are proving to be good signings Dave. |
I think Nardi, Morrison and Varane look like they could be good signings, I've never suggested everything they have done is wrong, Nourry has done a few things I've agreed with and have been quite positive but I just think overall we have a lot of red flags and going on a good run shouldn't really change that
I hope he learns from the mistakes and goes on to be really successful for us but I'd by lying if I said I didn't have concerns about him | | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 11:04 - Dec 23 with 907 views | DavieQPR |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 10:46 - Dec 23 by LongRanger |
Fair question....I'd like to see/hear the strategy he has for the club, the 10 year vision, what are the key pillars to delivering that vision and strategy. I'd assume those centre around player development, given our investment into the training ground, player recruitment and business operations, so what are the the key objectives for these areas, what are the timelines and how they all piece together to deliver a cohesive plan to move the club back on to a successful path. I would expect this to be initially shared at the fans forum and then provide ongoing progress updates at the forums, I believe there should be 3 per season, at the start, middle and end of season. I'd expect to hear from him, the heads of operations, development and recruitment, as well as the first team manager at these forums. I'd then expect forums to allow for fans to have the freedom to ask unvetted questions to this panel, I'd like him to engage with the leading fan groups on a regular basis to get feedback and share relevant updates.
Your point about the owners/Hoos/investors/shareholders, as a CEO, his role is to manage them and engage them, take their feedback to enhance/amend his plan as needed, but ultimately he knows and they know, the responsibility for delivery of the strategy and meeting performance targets sit solely with the CEO, he/she is then measured on that.
The performance of the 10 players signed in the summer is a peripheral point.
I'm sure I've missed many relevant points, but in the 10mins I've had to think about your question, this is what would make me revise my opinion, and I'd love that to happen. |
January will be interesting. The fact that we had to cancel Hayden's loan to get Ashby in shows there is not a lot of financial leeway. Possibly need to get Bennie, Santos and Dixon-Bonner out on loan but that doesn't do a great deal for the type of player/s the fans want. We are also going to find out if we can manage without Cook next season. |  | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 11:22 - Dec 23 with 848 views | connell10 |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 22:35 - Dec 22 by stainrods_elbow |
Nourry doesn't have 'zero' experience in football, even if he seems to have sugarcoated his CV (as I'm sure many of us have) to some degree.
Just out of interest - what would it take to revise your opinion of him as CEO or at least dial down on the agenda-driven hysteria about him that's been promulgated here?
If you really think he's a fraud, it's Hoos and the owners you should be turning your ire on, I suggest, as he didn't get the role of CEO by abracadabra. |
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| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 12:10 - Dec 23 with 736 views | Stainrod |
Think there are misconceptions on both sides.
Those who defend Nourry on transfers by pointing out the success of Nardi, Morrison, Kolli, Varane etc overlook that Madsen and Cellar accounted for about 80% of our budget. So that has to go down as really poor spending of scarce resources.
But equally those attacking him for not having a better reserve left back - I mean, is that really the end of the world, and do you not think budgets might have something to do with it? I am sure in an ideal world he would like six world class left backs but he has to prioritise.
Finally - all this banging on about communications (only on this board BTW). I accept the initial approach to it was a bit Pravda-esque, but honestly the average fan is not obsessing about this. A regime is judged on results, not on how much news it releases (or how many leaks/ sitdowns it gives to message boards).
Overall his record is very mixed but whereas with Les and Hoos those old dogs were never going to learn new tricks, I'm cautiously optimistic that Nourry might. | | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 12:42 - Dec 23 with 679 views | GaryHaddock |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 08:11 - Dec 23 by gazza1 |
I do not know enough about this bloke or what happens behind the scenes.....it amazes me that so many posters have an opinion about the bloke. |
You've said this quite a few times, surely the shock has worn off a bit? | | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 12:55 - Dec 23 with 651 views | JimmyR |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 22:29 - Dec 21 by Hooping_Mad |
I remember Numpty out, last week wasn't it?  |
Innit theyâve all put âNumptyâ on ignore | | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 13:17 - Dec 23 with 576 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
He's definitely made mistakes but when you look at the calibre of player we've brought in this year compared with eight years under Les, it's already a vast improvement. Varane genuinely looks like he'll go for big money in time, Nardi is arguably player of the season so far, Dembele is class and will come back stronger, Morrison an unbelievable find, everyone loves Saito, etc.
Yes there have been a couple of duds but it's night and day for me in such a short period of time (two windows). | | | |
| Where are the "Nourry out" comments now ??? on 14:06 - Dec 23 with 491 views | Gloucs_R |
Nourry out, Marti in
Let's not forget how this all started. With rumours circulating that nourry was going to sack Marti.
That campaign has successfully led to the club being a little more open with injuries etc.
Additionally, Marti is still here and delivering what most of us thought he could. |  |
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