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Kolli online abuse on 16:18 - Aug 8 by SheffieldHoop
Ok. That might be true for you.
I've been experiencing this for years and years. Not just the last few weeks. I went to school with the kids of people who've since been sent to prison for Grooming gang offenses. They are not good people, and they use your Liberalism against people like me. I just find it incredibly frustrating that people with your experience will never listen to people with mine.
I hated the EDL when it was a thing. I once got punched in the Conningham by one of the old QPR EDL types because they started singing EDL songs and I objected. Please do not lecture me any more about racism or ethnic origins or whatever it is in your head that is telling you I am somebody I'm not.
The fact you have faith that the Muslim majority will out the extremist minority is vaguely reassuring to me - And I will happily acknowledge that the vast majority of Terrorism reported is reported by Muslims - Yes I know all of this. But also, more British Muslims joined ISIS than Joined the British Army. To deny the integration problems just alienates people like me. Sorry.
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So if you believe you see the problems so clearly, has it never occurred to you to proactively become part of the solution instead?
Have you tried actively going in to the Muslim community where you live and befriending, for example, a couple of similar age to yourself and your partner, who maybe have kids of similar age to yourself and have exactly the same hopes, aspirations and fears for the future as you do?
if you're looking for integration not alienation, the one person who you have power over to change is yourself. I think you'd be surprised by what you could achieve, if you tried..
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Kolli online abuse on 16:35 - Aug 8 with 1839 views
So if you believe you see the problems so clearly, has it never occurred to you to proactively become part of the solution instead?
Have you tried actively going in to the Muslim community where you live and befriending, for example, a couple of similar age to yourself and your partner, who maybe have kids of similar age to yourself and have exactly the same hopes, aspirations and fears for the future as you do?
if you're looking for integration not alienation, the one person who you have power over to change is yourself. I think you'd be surprised by what you could achieve, if you tried..
What, like the girls did? They all ended up getting raped mate.
You speak like I don't know anything about Islam and have never met a Muslim before. Even tho I've posted on this thread today that I went to a Christian Baptism for 5 (Presumably now Former, although I'm not sure) Muslims.
I went to a wedding in Morrocco in October. I've lived in Page Hall, Sheffield, one of the largest Pakistani (Although becoming increasingly Roma) communities in Sheffield. I've grown up in the UK since the 90s. I'm hardly talking about some exotic species unique to a tiny Pacific atoll.
Strange old world.
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"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius
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Kolli online abuse on 16:39 - Aug 8 with 1807 views
Of course it's all very well Starmer acting tough on sentencing but there's going to be trouble further down the line if people see other people getting away with equally violent offences. I mean only a month ago, he was telling us the prisons were full...
You'd think so, huh? Except none of those self-loathing morons around him heard anything wrong. That's the bit that really frightens me.
"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius
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Kolli online abuse on 16:41 - Aug 8 with 1837 views
Kolli online abuse on 16:35 - Aug 8 by SheffieldHoop
What, like the girls did? They all ended up getting raped mate.
You speak like I don't know anything about Islam and have never met a Muslim before. Even tho I've posted on this thread today that I went to a Christian Baptism for 5 (Presumably now Former, although I'm not sure) Muslims.
I went to a wedding in Morrocco in October. I've lived in Page Hall, Sheffield, one of the largest Pakistani (Although becoming increasingly Roma) communities in Sheffield. I've grown up in the UK since the 90s. I'm hardly talking about some exotic species unique to a tiny Pacific atoll.
Strange old world.
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OK - so you tell me you understand, whilst at the same time throwing in what happened to those poor girls and using it as justification to stay entrenched in a hardline position.
..And if the situation had been the other way around, with Muslim girls having been the victims, and the perpetrators having been white British guys, how would you have responded then..? Or are you asserting that this would somehow never happen (as equally a dangerous assumption to make, as asserting that it is somehow "bound to happen" the other way round, I would suggest..)
OK - so you tell me you understand, whilst at the same time throwing in what happened to those poor girls and using it as justification to stay entrenched in a hardline position.
..And if the situation had been the other way around, with Muslim girls having been the victims, and the perpetrators having been white British guys, how would you have responded then..? Or are you asserting that this would somehow never happen (as equally a dangerous assumption to make, as asserting that it is somehow "bound to happen" the other way round, I would suggest..)
I would give a white person who murders any child the death penalty. Quite simple.
You'll say that's hardline. I don't care.
"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius
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Kolli online abuse on 16:58 - Aug 8 with 1634 views
Why would you want to further enflame an already toxic thread with a statement you have no way of substantiating?
Clive, as others have said, and for your peace of mind, please lock this thread.
Notice how it gets all "toxic" when the left starts being exposed as what they really are.....And they demand the discussion is shut down. Predictable.
Never toxic when they're having a field day misrepresenting something I've said as "racist" though eh
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"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius
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Kolli online abuse on 17:15 - Aug 8 with 1494 views
Kolli online abuse on 16:57 - Aug 8 by SheffieldHoop
I would give a white person who murders any child the death penalty. Quite simple.
You'll say that's hardline. I don't care.
No, you might be surprised to hear that I'm actually a big supporter of capital punishment for cases where it is beyond any reasonable doubt that someone is guilty of cold-blooded murder and clearly aware of the consequences of their actions - Ian Brady, Fred West and Harold Shipman being three of the most blindingly obvious cases where I personally would have advocated for the death penalty.
I like the Executioner's prayer: "May God have mercy on your soul". People often confuse mercy and judgement. They are not mutually exclusive, in my understanding.
But that wasn't the point of my question, and it also does not absolve you, me or anybody else on this forum from doing whatever we can to show love, kindness and respect for everyone in our community, regardless of who they are, or who we think they might possibly be. That is the only way change happens.
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Kolli online abuse on 17:18 - Aug 8 with 1439 views
No, you might be surprised to hear that I'm actually a big supporter of capital punishment for cases where it is beyond any reasonable doubt that someone is guilty of cold-blooded murder and clearly aware of the consequences of their actions - Ian Brady, Fred West and Harold Shipman being three of the most blindingly obvious cases where I personally would have advocated for the death penalty.
I like the Executioner's prayer: "May God have mercy on your soul". People often confuse mercy and judgement. They are not mutually exclusive, in my understanding.
But that wasn't the point of my question, and it also does not absolve you, me or anybody else on this forum from doing whatever we can to show love, kindness and respect for everyone in our community, regardless of who they are, or who we think they might possibly be. That is the only way change happens.
Now we're getting somewhere!
What about Michael Adebowale? Easy to name Harold Shipman and Fred West, both of whom were in prison long before I had any opinion whatsoever on any of this stuff.
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"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius
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Kolli online abuse on 17:26 - Aug 8 with 1433 views
Kolli online abuse on 17:18 - Aug 8 by SheffieldHoop
Now we're getting somewhere!
What about Michael Adebowale? Easy to name Harold Shipman and Fred West, both of whom were in prison long before I had any opinion whatsoever on any of this stuff.
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God you're boring.
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Kolli online abuse on 17:28 - Aug 8 with 1393 views
Kolli online abuse on 17:18 - Aug 8 by SheffieldHoop
Now we're getting somewhere!
What about Michael Adebowale? Easy to name Harold Shipman and Fred West, both of whom were in prison long before I had any opinion whatsoever on any of this stuff.
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That one's an interesting case, and I would say the following, largely because I can't remember if it was proven to be an act of terrorism, or influenced by mental illness.
If it was clearly the former, and there are no presenting signs of paranoid schizophrenia or any similar mental illness which would cause someone to effectively lose control over themselves, then yes, I would personally have argued for the death penalty for Adebowale.
For me, where a mental illness is clearly and obviously influencing one's stability - and most importantly one's capacity to clearly distinguish between committing a proactive act of aggression towards someone, and what one perceives to be an act of self-defence - then that person should then be committed to a psychiatric ward with support to improve their condition, where possible, or indefinitely, if not.
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Kolli online abuse on 17:34 - Aug 8 with 1390 views
I think everything that needs to be said has probably been said, but for some reason the thought of this thread being hurried out of everyone's consciousness by the conscious effort of one individual, rather than being allowed to disappear organically, bothers me somewhat.
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Kolli online abuse on 17:43 - Aug 8 with 1352 views
I think everything that needs to be said has probably been said, but for some reason the thought of this thread being hurried out of everyone's consciousness by the conscious effort of one individual, rather than being allowed to disappear organically, bothers me somewhat.
Have faith, Sax, I think we're nearly there now..
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Kolli online abuse on 17:55 - Aug 8 with 1303 views
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