| Portsmouth Reflection 18:05 - Feb 22 with 4508 views | bluenwhite10 |
Really didn’t deserve anything quite a flat performance. Portsmouth pressed us very well and out worked us a bit and was 1st to the 2nd ball.
The way Portsmouth pressed us resulted in hitting lots of long balls which we didn’t hold up at all.
Poor today.
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| Portsmouth Reflection on 18:18 - Feb 22 with 3433 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Coming with questions, not with answers.
Thought it might be mentality today, maybe?
Like we bought too much into how good they were at home?
We were very deep in the first 10-20 minutes, sometimes with 5 or 6 across the back, maybe trying to ride out the (cliché alert) 'inevitable surge for the first twenty'.
That's understandable. It may not be wise to be a slave to that approach, but it is understandable. But, after we overcame that, we struggled to get up the pitch and get at them, mostly down to poor passing across practically the entire team. I think it was Bklyn who posted at half-time that we had 29% passing accuracy in the final third. A great stat, though I can't imagine it was much better in either of the other thirds.
I'd imagine we played as many long balls, as few completed passes as them. But they were playing their game, we weren't, so they were naturally that bit more successful.
There's a real danger of being certain in the immediate aftermath of a game like this, of drawing too many quick-fit solutions. I'm sure the team and management won't do that. It wasn't good enough. Admit to it. Suck it up. Rest, recover. Meet up again on Monday and analyse it with clear minds, with video, with facts, with honesty.
I trust this management and team to do that. |  |
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| Portsmouth Reflection on 19:10 - Feb 22 with 3160 views | FDC |
How good a chance was Dunne's chance right at the end? It doesn't feature in the sky highlights. It looked a good opportunity from the away end, people around me agreed it looked as though any where but at the keeper and it was in? But it was down the far end and not had chance to see it again. [Post edited 22 Feb 19:10]
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| Portsmouth Reflection on 19:30 - Feb 22 with 3053 views | davman |
Harsh to take as Pompey deserved that today; their energy totally bullied us. Bishop won everything up top. Dunne, Cook and Edwards could not compete.
Ogilvy totally negated the Dunne threat and Frey was out bullied.
They do not have much quality, but Murphy lit that game up with his opener. Cook gave away the second and from that point forward it was game over.
Narfi's distribution was rank today. In short no-one was on it at all... We got what we deserved today; sadly. [Post edited 22 Feb 19:32]
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| Portsmouth Reflection on 19:31 - Feb 22 with 3049 views | FDC |
On the game, looked to me like Martì went with a surprisingly attacking line up, essentially how we set up at home. Suffice to say it didn't work. We couldn't handle the high press and midfield didn't get going at all. The back four looked really rattled, especially in the second half. Long balls over the top of midfield just came straight back. Frey couldn't get a hold of anything, not helped by the referee who seemed to give everything to Portsmouth.
Periods of the second half were very hard to watch, we looked like we didn't want to be on the pitch. A particular low point was Pompey supporters singing "duh duh duh duh, fùcking awful" at us to the tune of pig bag 🤢.
And yet we actually pulled a goal back and might even have nicked an equaliser.
Have to say, the away end concourse was a nightmare. Far too small for the crowd. And the away end was pretty aggy at kickoff where I was at the back of P block. Two fights about three feet either side of me. Saw someone trying to carry their crying boy out in the crush. Pretty bleak, although things calmed down a bit after quarter of an hour or so. | | | |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 19:51 - Feb 22 with 2922 views | baz_qpr |
Did not think much wrong with the line up to be honest, 1st half was pretty even. It was an attritional game and the ref let a lot go. But ultimately there were a number of 4 / 10 performances down the spine of the team (Nardi, Cook, Varane, Frey) who struggled with the speed of their press and or the ping pong nature of the long balls |  | | |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 20:43 - Feb 22 with 2687 views | Watford_Ranger |
Turned up, played like tarts, far too nice, created virtually nothing. More or less covers it. |  | | |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 20:58 - Feb 22 with 2626 views | loftus77 |
I'll ask this once and once only because its prob. total rubbish and I wasn't at Fratton today or any away game this season. But a question does gnaw away at me and has done often since the New Year:
I reckon Marti/Zavi are an exceptional coaching team and all the evidence since Nov 2023 indicates that QPR players think the same. Do you think that some of our players (The 'Generals' or whoever) phone in the odd game(s) to keep Marti/Zavi under the footballing media parapet and at our club for as long as possible? The logic being that an exceptional coaching team helps their careers in the medium and long-term (as opposed to short-term gain).
We know that players can, and have, got gaffers the sack when they're not having them (Leicester looking certain to be the latest example) - does it work the other way too (ie retain-and-entrap them for personal gain)?
Prob way too cynical/conspiratorial (based on the Sat evening frustration of another away defeat) but nothing in the modern game would surprise me. | | | |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 21:36 - Feb 22 with 2407 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 20:58 - Feb 22 by loftus77 |
I'll ask this once and once only because its prob. total rubbish and I wasn't at Fratton today or any away game this season. But a question does gnaw away at me and has done often since the New Year:
I reckon Marti/Zavi are an exceptional coaching team and all the evidence since Nov 2023 indicates that QPR players think the same. Do you think that some of our players (The 'Generals' or whoever) phone in the odd game(s) to keep Marti/Zavi under the footballing media parapet and at our club for as long as possible? The logic being that an exceptional coaching team helps their careers in the medium and long-term (as opposed to short-term gain).
We know that players can, and have, got gaffers the sack when they're not having them (Leicester looking certain to be the latest example) - does it work the other way too (ie retain-and-entrap them for personal gain)?
Prob way too cynical/conspiratorial (based on the Sat evening frustration of another away defeat) but nothing in the modern game would surprise me. |
It wouldn't surprise me either - people can say what they like, but, for me, two or three games this season (cf. Leicester and Swansea), including this one, have smelt as fishy as the the 2003 Playoff Final, the 1986 Milk Cup Final and the 1982 FA Cup Final Replay. The team could well be under instruction from the owners to stay in the division but not to have a tilt at the playoffs. We had a fantastic opportunity to continue to do the latter today, buoyed by another rousing away support, and didn't turn up. It's inexcusable! |  |
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| Portsmouth Reflection on 22:18 - Feb 22 with 2298 views | colinallcars |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 20:58 - Feb 22 by loftus77 |
I'll ask this once and once only because its prob. total rubbish and I wasn't at Fratton today or any away game this season. But a question does gnaw away at me and has done often since the New Year:
I reckon Marti/Zavi are an exceptional coaching team and all the evidence since Nov 2023 indicates that QPR players think the same. Do you think that some of our players (The 'Generals' or whoever) phone in the odd game(s) to keep Marti/Zavi under the footballing media parapet and at our club for as long as possible? The logic being that an exceptional coaching team helps their careers in the medium and long-term (as opposed to short-term gain).
We know that players can, and have, got gaffers the sack when they're not having them (Leicester looking certain to be the latest example) - does it work the other way too (ie retain-and-entrap them for personal gain)?
Prob way too cynical/conspiratorial (based on the Sat evening frustration of another away defeat) but nothing in the modern game would surprise me. |
My alcohol-drenched memory isn't the best, but wasn't there a couple of seasons some time when Palace needed a win to stay up and we just capitulated ( apart fron Holloway, as player), and a few seasons later, Vicky Verky, we needed a win and Palace phoned it in to use modern parlance. |  | | |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 22:23 - Feb 22 with 2266 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 21:36 - Feb 22 by stainrods_elbow |
It wouldn't surprise me either - people can say what they like, but, for me, two or three games this season (cf. Leicester and Swansea), including this one, have smelt as fishy as the the 2003 Playoff Final, the 1986 Milk Cup Final and the 1982 FA Cup Final Replay. The team could well be under instruction from the owners to stay in the division but not to have a tilt at the playoffs. We had a fantastic opportunity to continue to do the latter today, buoyed by another rousing away support, and didn't turn up. It's inexcusable! |
My memory of the 82 cup final replay was we played Spurs off the park and were very unlucky to lose. It's a long time ago though. |  | | |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 22:29 - Feb 22 with 2245 views | Pdog |
So there is an organised, deliberate effort across multiple individuals to manipulate results without any leaks or consequences, just to keep Marti from getting too ahead of steam..
Bizarre (and somewhat insulting), but i guess you are joking.
Sometimes performances drop because football is unpredictable, simple as that. Move on. |  | | |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 22:32 - Feb 22 with 2233 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 20:58 - Feb 22 by loftus77 |
I'll ask this once and once only because its prob. total rubbish and I wasn't at Fratton today or any away game this season. But a question does gnaw away at me and has done often since the New Year:
I reckon Marti/Zavi are an exceptional coaching team and all the evidence since Nov 2023 indicates that QPR players think the same. Do you think that some of our players (The 'Generals' or whoever) phone in the odd game(s) to keep Marti/Zavi under the footballing media parapet and at our club for as long as possible? The logic being that an exceptional coaching team helps their careers in the medium and long-term (as opposed to short-term gain).
We know that players can, and have, got gaffers the sack when they're not having them (Leicester looking certain to be the latest example) - does it work the other way too (ie retain-and-entrap them for personal gain)?
Prob way too cynical/conspiratorial (based on the Sat evening frustration of another away defeat) but nothing in the modern game would surprise me. |
I think you answered your own question before you asked it. | | | |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 22:36 - Feb 22 with 2162 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 22:23 - Feb 22 by CroydonCaptJack |
My memory of the 82 cup final replay was we played Spurs off the park and were very unlucky to lose. It's a long time ago though. |
We were unlucky, but we also had one perfectly good goal disallowed, and it was subsequently discovered that the ref had trained with Spurs. | |
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| Portsmouth Reflection on 22:51 - Feb 22 with 2082 views | FDC |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 22:29 - Feb 22 by Pdog |
So there is an organised, deliberate effort across multiple individuals to manipulate results without any leaks or consequences, just to keep Marti from getting too ahead of steam..
Bizarre (and somewhat insulting), but i guess you are joking.
Sometimes performances drop because football is unpredictable, simple as that. Move on. |
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| Portsmouth Reflection on 22:55 - Feb 22 with 2043 views | Rangersw12 |
Played Pompey at their own game and lost
Cracking day out though as per usual
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| Portsmouth Reflection on 23:00 - Feb 22 with 1992 views | qpr_1968 |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 22:55 - Feb 22 by Rangersw12 |
Played Pompey at their own game and lost
Cracking day out though as per usual
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it was a cracking day.
just thought i'd remark on dunnes finish today, a touch of class.
puts gabriel of arsenals late effort against wet ham today to shame.....touch of an elephant.
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| Portsmouth Reflection on 00:17 - Feb 23 with 1747 views | kensalriser |
Never mind having a drink, people seem to have been at the crack pipes this evening. |  |
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| Portsmouth Reflection on 00:43 - Feb 23 with 1668 views | ozexile |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 20:58 - Feb 22 by loftus77 |
I'll ask this once and once only because its prob. total rubbish and I wasn't at Fratton today or any away game this season. But a question does gnaw away at me and has done often since the New Year:
I reckon Marti/Zavi are an exceptional coaching team and all the evidence since Nov 2023 indicates that QPR players think the same. Do you think that some of our players (The 'Generals' or whoever) phone in the odd game(s) to keep Marti/Zavi under the footballing media parapet and at our club for as long as possible? The logic being that an exceptional coaching team helps their careers in the medium and long-term (as opposed to short-term gain).
We know that players can, and have, got gaffers the sack when they're not having them (Leicester looking certain to be the latest example) - does it work the other way too (ie retain-and-entrap them for personal gain)?
Prob way too cynical/conspiratorial (based on the Sat evening frustration of another away defeat) but nothing in the modern game would surprise me. |
I've read some bizarre posts in my time on this site but this is on another level. | | | |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 00:52 - Feb 23 with 1634 views | charmr |
Bringing up the 82 cup final replay. Now that is taking the pi$$.
Lawrey McMenemy singing our praises after the game in the studio and saying the only thing that could follow that was the pope who was playing wembley the following week. [Post edited 23 Feb 2:06]
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| Portsmouth Reflection on 02:31 - Feb 23 with 1449 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 00:52 - Feb 23 by charmr |
Bringing up the 82 cup final replay. Now that is taking the pi$$.
Lawrey McMenemy singing our praises after the game in the studio and saying the only thing that could follow that was the pope who was playing wembley the following week. [Post edited 23 Feb 2:06]
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| Portsmouth Reflection on 02:44 - Feb 23 with 1430 views | charmr |
These hours are for ex pats to post. Cads and bounders please note😃 | | | |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 02:48 - Feb 23 with 1418 views | numptydumpty |
We conceded from a wonder goal and then a brain f##k from Cook.
Great goal from Dunne.
This guy is so underrated - i believe because he looks clumsy and lucky to control the ball, but he does and so much about this guy is so impressive. Love the bloke, me. Such a good guy. Will be so sad if he leaves us. He is the heartbeat of this team.
It wasn't our day.
They won by being bullies and playing the long ball and we were a little intimidated.
Dozzell with an assist and a forearm smash on Koki.
Was this his dad playing because the friendly ghost he was not.
So p*ss*d off as big game for me as long term friend a pompey season ticket holder and I will get shtick for the rest of the season, zero of six points achieved !@@
Be interesting to see how we get on in March playing high fliers throughout.
We lost to route one dirty bustards today.
But without the wonder strike, it was pretty even.
An annoying bugger of a game but forget about it, move on and put five past Sheffield and Jimmy to bag a hat trick !!!@ [Post edited 23 Feb 2:51]
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| Portsmouth Reflection on 02:52 - Feb 23 with 1408 views | numptydumpty |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 02:44 - Feb 23 by charmr |
These hours are for ex pats to post. Cads and bounders please note😃 |
Or people that wake up in a cold sweat and need to go bogs ten times a night !!! | |
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| Portsmouth Reflection on 06:02 - Feb 23 with 1258 views | nix |
I thought we were a bit flat, particularly those players who it's no coincidence usually play well when we play well like Chair and Dunne. I was a bit annoyed with Chair for berating Saito for not passing to him in the first half: pot/kettle really. They were very physical and targeted certain players: Dunne was taken out late a couple of times and so was Saito. The ref could've given a couple of cards earlier I thought. Not sure whether the elbow on Saito was deliberate but he certainly looked very shaken up. We certainly got sucked into hoofing it into the air, which is not our game but they love.
I think it was a combination of that and a couple of individual errors/mishaps. The Cook uncharacteristic underhit pass/Dunne not moving towards the ball/Paal allowing Ritchie to get away from him for the second; the potential foul on Varane in the build up to the first and the Dunne slip.
I think we can manage when a couple aren't firing but not more than that and Dunne, Cook, Chair, Varane and Frey didn't have their best games.
It's a conundrum for Marti because Chair is our most creative player and arguably best down the middle but we badly missed Morgan's better ability to link defence and attack and his tendency to show for the ball when needed. Frey was terribly isolated in the first half and you could see his frustration. |  | | |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 07:55 - Feb 23 with 1056 views | NewYorkRanger |
| Portsmouth Reflection on 18:18 - Feb 22 by BrianMcCarthy |
Coming with questions, not with answers.
Thought it might be mentality today, maybe?
Like we bought too much into how good they were at home?
We were very deep in the first 10-20 minutes, sometimes with 5 or 6 across the back, maybe trying to ride out the (cliché alert) 'inevitable surge for the first twenty'.
That's understandable. It may not be wise to be a slave to that approach, but it is understandable. But, after we overcame that, we struggled to get up the pitch and get at them, mostly down to poor passing across practically the entire team. I think it was Bklyn who posted at half-time that we had 29% passing accuracy in the final third. A great stat, though I can't imagine it was much better in either of the other thirds.
I'd imagine we played as many long balls, as few completed passes as them. But they were playing their game, we weren't, so they were naturally that bit more successful.
There's a real danger of being certain in the immediate aftermath of a game like this, of drawing too many quick-fit solutions. I'm sure the team and management won't do that. It wasn't good enough. Admit to it. Suck it up. Rest, recover. Meet up again on Monday and analyse it with clear minds, with video, with facts, with honesty.
I trust this management and team to do that. |
Is there an age limit for posting on here? Seems like some very young kids have somehow hacked their dads account and decided to post |  |
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