| Madsen, Celar, Santos 22:20 - Nov 5 with 9969 views | FleetRss |
How have these guys ended up at QPR? Who at the club thought they were good enough for championship football?
Saying that there’s no excuse to how the team approached the first 30 mins - we sat back in our own half completely happy for borough to have the ball. Are we the only team in the league that refuses to press the ball even when playing at home? |  | | |  |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 19:57 - Nov 6 with 1942 views | Rangersw12 |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 16:44 - Nov 6 by The_Beast1976 |
Agreed. Absolutely spot on. Him and Celar must be the biggest waste of money this club has ever encountered (and that's saying something given what we've wasted on others over the years) |
I raise you all of Warnock's signings after we got promoted [Post edited 6 Nov 19:59]
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| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 00:04 - Nov 7 with 1754 views | PunteR |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 13:13 - Nov 6 by BrianMcCarthy |
Warnock in charge of the money?
Hmm.... |
Yeh I hear you and Rangersw12 about Warnock. However, who is the most successful manager in this league?
Can't knock him for what he's achieved.
We need someone behind the scenes that knows this league. Help Marti out. |  |
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| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 05:14 - Nov 7 with 1614 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 19:57 - Nov 6 by Rangersw12 |
I raise you all of Warnock's signings after we got promoted [Post edited 6 Nov 19:59]
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And yet, given the delays caused in entering the transfer market due to the takeover in 2011, I can't help but think they were all panic buys. They were certainly the first of many rubbish forays in the transfer market of the Tony Pony era, which are proudly continued to this day.
Fact remains: aside of a couple of years in Ollie's first stint, both of Warnock's tenures were arguably our best since 1994...30 years of crap decisions from the boardroom!! |  |
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| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 07:28 - Nov 7 with 1550 views | aston_hoop |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 00:04 - Nov 7 by PunteR |
Yeh I hear you and Rangersw12 about Warnock. However, who is the most successful manager in this league?
Can't knock him for what he's achieved.
We need someone behind the scenes that knows this league. Help Marti out. |
I hate to labour this point, but this is peak QPR. We absolutely don't need Warnock behind the scenes. In his last few jobs, his input was putting Kevin Blackwell or Ronnie Jepson or whoever in charge all week then turning up Friday afternoon and telling them the team lineup, managing them on the Saturday and heading home. His managerial roles have all been part time and all ended pretty sharpish when the initial buzz wore off. What does he even know about football business? About running a club, defining a strategy for the long term? The bloke doesn't even turn up in the week. His managerial reign was successful nearly 15 years ago but we really really need to get over this obsession our fans have of him coming back in some capacity whenever things are going bad. He absolutely isn't the solution to our problems |  |
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| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 07:38 - Nov 7 with 1522 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 13:15 - Nov 6 by Northernr |
That is entirely accurate, yes.
I must have driven the people sitting near me even crazier than normal last night but I just kept pointing at him and saying 'can somebody tell me what he's supposed to be doing here?'
He just sort of walked around, sort of ten yards off to the left of everything. He actually looked like he was crying at one point. |
Ha that is true. I also feel like Super Zan is about to burst into tears at any point as well. And with Saito and Dembele seemingly the gentlest of non-giants, I have found myself pining for a Colback red card brain fade. |  | | |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 08:12 - Nov 7 with 1461 views | The_Beast1976 |
I have to say, it was obvious as far back as the Cambridge cup game that Celar was an awful player who.would never be good enough. Had higher hopes for some of the others though.
Not sure where we go from here if we have indeed put all these lads on long, expensive contracts (as has been rumoured) | | | |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 08:14 - Nov 7 with 1458 views | Northernr |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 08:12 - Nov 7 by The_Beast1976 |
I have to say, it was obvious as far back as the Cambridge cup game that Celar was an awful player who.would never be good enough. Had higher hopes for some of the others though.
Not sure where we go from here if we have indeed put all these lads on long, expensive contracts (as has been rumoured) |
Santos as well, was right in front of the away end that night and literally did not know where to stand. |  | | |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 08:20 - Nov 7 with 1430 views | vanrrrr |
Just read Clives report and he mentioned this lot taking up our FFP gap. … so is that us basically fcked for the next 3 year cycle?
Break it to me gently. | | | |
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| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 08:21 - Nov 7 with 1426 views | daveB |
A clue as to how these 3 were signed comes from previous players signed by this recruitment team's laptop such as Daniel Tozser, Ariel Borysiuk Joel Lynch, Jordan Cousins, Yeni Ngbakoto, Sean Goss and David Wheeler
Same crap different season |  | | |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 08:23 - Nov 7 with 1423 views | vanrrrr |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 08:21 - Nov 7 by daveB |
A clue as to how these 3 were signed comes from previous players signed by this recruitment team's laptop such as Daniel Tozser, Ariel Borysiuk Joel Lynch, Jordan Cousins, Yeni Ngbakoto, Sean Goss and David Wheeler
Same crap different season |
Dave Mc said the same on twitter and got pelters from the “Nourry’s got the league on strings”
Brigade.! | | | |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 08:25 - Nov 7 with 1421 views | lassel |
The saddest part about all this is I can *kind of* see what the plan was…
Nourry has decided it’s 4-3-2-1. We play that now from U8 to first team so I can buy Colback as the ‘destroyer’ even though in reality he only destroys his own disciplinary record.
Varane next to him to move the ball on, Saito & Dembele out wide with Madsen as the ‘10’  abdicated of any and all defensive duties and allowed to linger somewhere near the penalty box and get up alongside Celar who isn’t a lone striker.
On football manager, where Colback isn’t spending every minute trying to get sent off and the opposition aren’t sentient enough to exploit huge gaps of space it probably works quite well, or at least well enough to be a mid table club.
On Santos, again, if I squint really hard I can kind of see the reasoning - Cifuentes wants full backs who bomb forwards and spend most of their time around the opposition box so a young player who has played as an attacking wing back and winger thrown in and tasked to defend as well - how hard can it be to play first base……
The obvious problem is that they didn’t address the fact that even with Cook & JCS available, this team haemorrhages goals more than leaks them. You’re now asking a guy (who probably isn’t good enough anyway) to learn the RB job on the go whilst goals are flying in around you and those ahead of you don’t provide any sort of protection.
So yeah, I kind of understand how they ended up here, but of course it doesn’t excuse the philosophy/data that got us to this club ethos, that’s all on Nourry. | | | |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 08:36 - Nov 7 with 1389 views | Silverfoxqpr |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 08:12 - Nov 7 by The_Beast1976 |
I have to say, it was obvious as far back as the Cambridge cup game that Celar was an awful player who.would never be good enough. Had higher hopes for some of the others though.
Not sure where we go from here if we have indeed put all these lads on long, expensive contracts (as has been rumoured) |
Tin hat on.................and I said something similar on Saturday but to be fair to Celar he was inches away against Sunderland with a great strike and the same on Tuesday night. Yeah the first one was a nice height but he took it first time and struck it well enough. Just saying one or both of those fly in and it's a different conversation on here. "Fine margins", probably need to add that to the LFW glossary actually. |  | | |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 08:43 - Nov 7 with 1342 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 08:36 - Nov 7 by Silverfoxqpr |
Tin hat on.................and I said something similar on Saturday but to be fair to Celar he was inches away against Sunderland with a great strike and the same on Tuesday night. Yeah the first one was a nice height but he took it first time and struck it well enough. Just saying one or both of those fly in and it's a different conversation on here. "Fine margins", probably need to add that to the LFW glossary actually. |
I think we've been more than fair to Celar. Most other clubs would be booing him off the pitch.
I hope you are right, but I think you are dreaming. As he doesn't offer pace, height, movement, commitment, aggression, then some kind of Bradley Allen style good finishing is all we can hope for.
He must have had, what, 7 or 8 good chances with us and has scored zero. We are reduced to saying "ooh nice shot" that goes wide or Seny produces a good save.
Hardly lethal. | | | |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 08:53 - Nov 7 with 1319 views | Silverfoxqpr |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 08:43 - Nov 7 by GaryBannister86 |
I think we've been more than fair to Celar. Most other clubs would be booing him off the pitch.
I hope you are right, but I think you are dreaming. As he doesn't offer pace, height, movement, commitment, aggression, then some kind of Bradley Allen style good finishing is all we can hope for.
He must have had, what, 7 or 8 good chances with us and has scored zero. We are reduced to saying "ooh nice shot" that goes wide or Seny produces a good save.
Hardly lethal. |
Totally agree with you, my point (probably badly worded) was that IF he had put one of those away (big if I know) the conversation around him on here the last 72 hours or so would be a different one. Think I'm just desperate for something (anything) positive to cling on to at this point. Won't be able to watch the game Saturday, maybe I'll concentrate on that bit of good fortune for now. | | | |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 09:17 - Nov 7 with 1246 views | vanrrrr |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 08:43 - Nov 7 by GaryBannister86 |
I think we've been more than fair to Celar. Most other clubs would be booing him off the pitch.
I hope you are right, but I think you are dreaming. As he doesn't offer pace, height, movement, commitment, aggression, then some kind of Bradley Allen style good finishing is all we can hope for.
He must have had, what, 7 or 8 good chances with us and has scored zero. We are reduced to saying "ooh nice shot" that goes wide or Seny produces a good save.
Hardly lethal. |
The difference between Celar and Latte-Lath when he cane on the other night was so stark, and really epitomised the gulf between us and them. Monstered our defenders and won two hopeful punts to get Boro up the pitch , got in behind twice and took the p.ss for his goal… athletic and just 100% on it
Was also playing in Swiss league when Boro signed him and i am guessing they cost about the same ? Have no clue, really.
One looked a champ fwd the other not | | | |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 09:24 - Nov 7 with 1227 views | MelakaRanger |
Such short memories.
The Warnock Premiership signings were the catalyst that started our slow but constant decline. This accelerated greatly during Mark Hughes reign and of course by 'Arry.
But the real blame is the owners who allowed these managers to buy whatever they wanted whenever they wanted - without question. |  | | |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 10:10 - Nov 7 with 1154 views | lassel |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 08:20 - Nov 7 by vanrrrr |
Just read Clives report and he mentioned this lot taking up our FFP gap. … so is that us basically fcked for the next 3 year cycle?
Break it to me gently. |
We aren’t allowed to know, but it’s not an unreasonable suspicion….
I maintain my belief that they expected Chair to go this summer for a decent fee and were shocked when he got no interest.
That’s the potential saving grace - you can get £3m/£4m for Chair you buy yourself another chance to do some surgery, same with JCS. | | | |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 10:13 - Nov 7 with 1139 views | Northernr |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 08:20 - Nov 7 by vanrrrr |
Just read Clives report and he mentioned this lot taking up our FFP gap. … so is that us basically fcked for the next 3 year cycle?
Break it to me gently. |
Well we're of course not allowed to know (though it will appear in the set of accounts after the one we're about to receive). But Madsen, Celar, Dembele, Varane, Morrison all cost money, and if they've done a permanent deal for Saito (again, we're not allowed to know) that will have cost as well. Even at £1m each that's £6m.
Transfer Market reckons we've done about £7m, and received about half that back for Dykes and Armstrong.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/queens-park-rangers/transfers/verein/1039/saison
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| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 10:15 - Nov 7 with 1125 views | daveB |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 08:25 - Nov 7 by lassel |
The saddest part about all this is I can *kind of* see what the plan was…
Nourry has decided it’s 4-3-2-1. We play that now from U8 to first team so I can buy Colback as the ‘destroyer’ even though in reality he only destroys his own disciplinary record.
Varane next to him to move the ball on, Saito & Dembele out wide with Madsen as the ‘10’ abdicated of any and all defensive duties and allowed to linger somewhere near the penalty box and get up alongside Celar who isn’t a lone striker.
On football manager, where Colback isn’t spending every minute trying to get sent off and the opposition aren’t sentient enough to exploit huge gaps of space it probably works quite well, or at least well enough to be a mid table club.
On Santos, again, if I squint really hard I can kind of see the reasoning - Cifuentes wants full backs who bomb forwards and spend most of their time around the opposition box so a young player who has played as an attacking wing back and winger thrown in and tasked to defend as well - how hard can it be to play first base……
The obvious problem is that they didn’t address the fact that even with Cook & JCS available, this team haemorrhages goals more than leaks them. You’re now asking a guy (who probably isn’t good enough anyway) to learn the RB job on the go whilst goals are flying in around you and those ahead of you don’t provide any sort of protection.
So yeah, I kind of understand how they ended up here, but of course it doesn’t excuse the philosophy/data that got us to this club ethos, that’s all on Nourry. |
This is where the fundamental flaw is in saying we play 4-2-3-1 at all levels. like most of the empty words like data, pathways etc it means nothing on it's own
You can as a DOF say our club is about playing out from the back and building through the lines or we are direct with pace out wide whatever you want and have all your teams playing with those principles in how you press etc but forcing the formation you play those teams is mad as formations change over time and it means nothing really as Sam Allardyce always played 4-2-3-1 but I imagine the style is different to what Nourry wants. Formations are just where you start on the pitch, the overall plan and style of how you press, how you defend and how you attack is far more important. You can play with 3 strikers and still be the most boring team if you don't create any chances for them. | | | |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 10:16 - Nov 7 with 1123 views | Myke |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 10:10 - Nov 7 by lassel |
We aren’t allowed to know, but it’s not an unreasonable suspicion….
I maintain my belief that they expected Chair to go this summer for a decent fee and were shocked when he got no interest.
That’s the potential saving grace - you can get £3m/£4m for Chair you buy yourself another chance to do some surgery, same with JCS. |
I would say expected Eze to leave Crystal Palace. | | | |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 12:48 - Nov 7 with 976 views | The_Beast1976 |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 08:25 - Nov 7 by lassel |
The saddest part about all this is I can *kind of* see what the plan was…
Nourry has decided it’s 4-3-2-1. We play that now from U8 to first team so I can buy Colback as the ‘destroyer’ even though in reality he only destroys his own disciplinary record.
Varane next to him to move the ball on, Saito & Dembele out wide with Madsen as the ‘10’ abdicated of any and all defensive duties and allowed to linger somewhere near the penalty box and get up alongside Celar who isn’t a lone striker.
On football manager, where Colback isn’t spending every minute trying to get sent off and the opposition aren’t sentient enough to exploit huge gaps of space it probably works quite well, or at least well enough to be a mid table club.
On Santos, again, if I squint really hard I can kind of see the reasoning - Cifuentes wants full backs who bomb forwards and spend most of their time around the opposition box so a young player who has played as an attacking wing back and winger thrown in and tasked to defend as well - how hard can it be to play first base……
The obvious problem is that they didn’t address the fact that even with Cook & JCS available, this team haemorrhages goals more than leaks them. You’re now asking a guy (who probably isn’t good enough anyway) to learn the RB job on the go whilst goals are flying in around you and those ahead of you don’t provide any sort of protection.
So yeah, I kind of understand how they ended up here, but of course it doesn’t excuse the philosophy/data that got us to this club ethos, that’s all on Nourry. |
I play golf with a couple of lads who worked for Tony Bloom for many years as a part of his data driven analysis to aid his betting syndicate (and subsequently his football club). They've both retired now, but they go to watch Brighton regularly as guests of Tony. It's really interesting listening to them about how it all worked.
Not sure how we've managed to completely fcuk it up (as always). Either the raw data we've been given is shyte or the analysts who have interpreted the raw data are shyte (or, more likely, both are shyte!!). What a sorry mess (again). [Post edited 7 Nov 12:52]
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| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 12:54 - Nov 7 with 959 views | The_Beast1976 |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 08:14 - Nov 7 by Northernr |
Santos as well, was right in front of the away end that night and literally did not know where to stand. |
Yep, remember that too.
I also said a few weeks back that Madsen hides. I watched him for about 30 minutes in one game a month or so ago and he literally just constantly 'hid' behind oppo players to avoid being in a position in which someone could pass the ball to him. It's absolutely shocking, and I'm glad you picked up on it on Tuesday.
Not sure how we now go about sorting this mess out. For me, MC stays. I think MC can resolve it eventually with a bit of time and some players suited to this league (so basically need the injured to return and then the Jan window to come around so we can loan out some of these misfits and get some others in).
Nourry and Belk should already be gone. Appoint a DOF with demonstrable football experience and (at the very least) a reasonable track record, and let them set about trying to resolve this mess Nourry and Belk (and the owners, by way of their appointing Nourry and Belk) have got us into. [Post edited 7 Nov 13:00]
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| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 13:21 - Nov 7 with 910 views | joe90 |
Brilliant, hahah |  | | |
| Madsen, Celar, Santos on 16:08 - Nov 8 with 556 views | Gloucs_R |
Anyone listening to the WLS podcast?
Dave Mc on Madsen - "we were told by people who have watched him that he was weak, slow and not cut out for the Championship. Others looked at him and decided not to go there" |  |
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