| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. 15:33 - Aug 25 with 9314 views | Lohengrin |
Despite all the Yes Cymru stickers you’ll encounter on road signs, despite the obvious enthusiasm for political self-immolation you’ll see from a few on here and on the other place, this is the real state of public enthusiasm.
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 20:59 - Aug 25 with 1498 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 20:44 - Aug 25 by 73__73 |
Suck it up, sweetcheeks 😠|
Fair enough, just puzzled why you seemingly don't care about Wales ?
Each to his own i guess. |  |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 21:01 - Aug 25 with 1492 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 20:48 - Aug 25 by union_jack |
You keep spouting the same thing thread after thread but that’s not going to be enough for it to happen. It won’t happen in Scotland or here, especially here.
As for the subject of the thread, I skim read it so may have missed something but didn’t it say it was going online? Surely that means journos and columnists will still be needed as before? |
Yes it will …. Anyhow lets have the big vote and find out for sure …. 🇪🇺â¤ï¸ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 21:03 - Aug 25 with 1490 views | Sirjohnalot |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 20:59 - Aug 25 by Kilkennyjack |
Fair enough, just puzzled why you seemingly don't care about Wales ?
Each to his own i guess. |
It’s becoming more obvious, even if it wasn’t before just how disastrous Brexit will be. If labour get in in a couple of years, really think Starmer will start looking at rejoining towards the end of the next parliament. 7 years or so, we’ll have a very clear picture at how Brexit has effected us |  | | |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 21:10 - Aug 25 with 1470 views | Togg |
Nowt as strange as folks so they say. Many Welsh people even if good working class Labour can be quite right wing in their political thinking.
It's not about whether you are English, Welsh Irish, Scottish etc etc. People have their political and idealistic views but we are mostly democratic, so can vote at the ballot box. |  | | |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 22:45 - Aug 25 with 1425 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 21:03 - Aug 25 by Sirjohnalot |
It’s becoming more obvious, even if it wasn’t before just how disastrous Brexit will be. If labour get in in a couple of years, really think Starmer will start looking at rejoining towards the end of the next parliament. 7 years or so, we’ll have a very clear picture at how Brexit has effected us |
Without a doubt.
And he should come out and say it.
Trying to be too clever for me. | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 06:23 - Aug 26 with 1389 views | Sirjohnalot |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 22:45 - Aug 25 by Kilkennyjack |
Without a doubt.
And he should come out and say it.
Trying to be too clever for me. |
He can’t at the moment, he’s playing a waiting game, you don’t win anything in opposition. What’s the point in shouting from the sidelines ? | | | |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 06:29 - Aug 26 with 1387 views | Sirjohnalot |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 19:35 - Aug 25 by Kilkennyjack |
Listen the 2021 census tells us some 636,000 people living in wales were born in England.
The majority in favour of England Brexit was only 82,225.
Only half that number needed to vote Remain for Remain to win in Wales.
You know, just a little more than the population of Llanelli.
Draw your own conclusions. |
That’s very misleading surely ? That would include people who moved to Wales when they were 2 months old. They’re as Welsh as you or I, arguably more than me alive lives in England for 20 odd years, longer than I was at home.
Manchester and Liverpool and London voted Remain. Bolton, Burnley etc voted out. There may be a census that says there are welsh and Scot’s born people there.
Stats can prove everything and nothing,
Staggering that it was even close to leave in Wales | | | |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 07:51 - Aug 26 with 1368 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 06:29 - Aug 26 by Sirjohnalot |
That’s very misleading surely ? That would include people who moved to Wales when they were 2 months old. They’re as Welsh as you or I, arguably more than me alive lives in England for 20 odd years, longer than I was at home.
Manchester and Liverpool and London voted Remain. Bolton, Burnley etc voted out. There may be a census that says there are welsh and Scot’s born people there.
Stats can prove everything and nothing,
Staggering that it was even close to leave in Wales |
Thats really why i said draw your own conclusions.
They are the facts though.
Agree on Wales. The power of the msm/BBC running scare reports from Calais every single night in 2016. Appears much less newsworthy since the vote, i observe …. 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 08:27 - Aug 26 with 1361 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 07:51 - Aug 26 by Kilkennyjack |
Thats really why i said draw your own conclusions.
They are the facts though.
Agree on Wales. The power of the msm/BBC running scare reports from Calais every single night in 2016. Appears much less newsworthy since the vote, i observe …. 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |
Why were they scare reports? We are always told that immigration is great for the country. It should be fantastic news that all these doctors and nurses are trying to flock here from Calais? |  |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 09:22 - Aug 26 with 1342 views | Boundy |
Albania have an abundance of medical experts, so much so they're sending them here , maybe in an unorthodox manner but they're coming | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 09:32 - Aug 26 with 1339 views | onehunglow |
Maybe people see themselves as British and in that Welsh too.
We are together,one unit. | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 14:35 - Aug 26 with 1312 views | Kilkennyjack |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 08:27 - Aug 26 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Why were they scare reports? We are always told that immigration is great for the country. It should be fantastic news that all these doctors and nurses are trying to flock here from Calais? |
You need to ask the BBC …. | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 21:27 - Aug 26 with 1252 views | 73__73 |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 21:03 - Aug 25 by Sirjohnalot |
It’s becoming more obvious, even if it wasn’t before just how disastrous Brexit will be. If labour get in in a couple of years, really think Starmer will start looking at rejoining towards the end of the next parliament. 7 years or so, we’ll have a very clear picture at how Brexit has effected us |
And how is it becoming obvious ? Have you seen what is happening in the richest country in the eu ?
The only thing that is obvious is fools who clutch at any straws.
Also if we can have another referendum on eu membership, can we also have one on disbanding the Welsh Government ?
How about a referendum on capital punishment ? | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 20:37 - Aug 28 with 1161 views | Boundy |
Despite the shenanigans in the Conservative Party and the UK government the number in favour of independence drops.
Maybe the problem is closer to home. Who wants independence under Drakeford and Price, taking orders from Deryn and Stonewall?
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POLL: Should Wales be an independent country:
NO: 68% (+1)
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Via @YouGov, On 16-19 August 2022,
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 21:22 - Aug 28 with 1142 views | BryanSwan |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 20:37 - Aug 28 by Boundy |
Despite the shenanigans in the Conservative Party and the UK government the number in favour of independence drops.
Maybe the problem is closer to home. Who wants independence under Drakeford and Price, taking orders from Deryn and Stonewall?
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POLL: Should Wales be an independent country:
NO: 68% (+1)
YES: 32% (-1)
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Changes w/ 12-16 June 2022. |
To be fair, i think a 1/3 of people is still a pretty large amount. Lets see what that number is after the shambles of soon to be PM Truss. | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 21:30 - Aug 28 with 1141 views | Boundy |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 21:22 - Aug 28 by BryanSwan |
To be fair, i think a 1/3 of people is still a pretty large amount. Lets see what that number is after the shambles of soon to be PM Truss. |
indeed it is but no where near a majority, which how I think its supposed to work | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 21:55 - Aug 28 with 1125 views | BryanSwan |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 21:30 - Aug 28 by Boundy |
indeed it is but no where near a majority, which how I think its supposed to work |
Of course not, but it is still an upward trend in support. I couldn't of imagined it would reach a 1/3 so soon 10 years back.
In reality though i think we are waiting on what happens with Scotland, that'll be the real difference maker. | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 22:02 - Aug 28 with 1124 views | raynor94 |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 21:22 - Aug 28 by BryanSwan |
To be fair, i think a 1/3 of people is still a pretty large amount. Lets see what that number is after the shambles of soon to be PM Truss. |
And Drakeford is doing such a great job, any idea where he is hiding at this moment in time? |  |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 22:10 - Aug 28 with 1121 views | Catullus |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 21:03 - Aug 25 by Sirjohnalot |
It’s becoming more obvious, even if it wasn’t before just how disastrous Brexit will be. If labour get in in a couple of years, really think Starmer will start looking at rejoining towards the end of the next parliament. 7 years or so, we’ll have a very clear picture at how Brexit has effected us |
Oh come on, is the Uk alone in all this? Are the Eu countries not in a mess too? If we were still in the EU would we still be rolling along just fine? The only possible answer is no.
Germany, https://newsrnd.com/news/2022-08-27-gas-crisis-reveals-the-dirty-secret-of-the-g
France, https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/price-electricity-just-hit-time-194218670.html
The rest of the EU is in no better shape, https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/eu-eyes-emergency-talks-energy-113627278.html
So why do you think this is down to Brexit? If we were still in the EU we would still be in this crisis. Very little of the current problems are down to brexit, we had hardly got though the covid pandemic and were still suffering it;s financial effects when Russia invaded Ukraine. So if you can, please explain why you think this is about brexit being a disaster? | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 23:07 - Aug 28 with 1096 views | onehunglow |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 21:27 - Aug 26 by 73__73 |
And how is it becoming obvious ? Have you seen what is happening in the richest country in the eu ?
The only thing that is obvious is fools who clutch at any straws.
Also if we can have another referendum on eu membership, can we also have one on disbanding the Welsh Government ?
How about a referendum on capital punishment ? |
No Government has the guts as it would be overwhemingly in favour. | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 07:35 - Aug 29 with 1085 views | BryanSwan |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 22:02 - Aug 28 by raynor94 |
And Drakeford is doing such a great job, any idea where he is hiding at this moment in time? |
The thing is I dont think Drakeford is doing a good job, but it really doesnt take much to be better than Johnson or whichever of the two muppets (looking likely to be Truss) will be his successor. | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 10:07 - Aug 29 with 1059 views | johnlangy |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 21:55 - Aug 28 by BryanSwan |
Of course not, but it is still an upward trend in support. I couldn't of imagined it would reach a 1/3 so soon 10 years back.
In reality though i think we are waiting on what happens with Scotland, that'll be the real difference maker. |
Correct Bryan.
It's not too long ago (perhaps ten years as you mention) that people used to say Indy support was in single figures percentage wise so would never happen.
32% in such a short space of time is incredible. | | | |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 10:09 - Aug 29 with 1057 views | 73__73 |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 10:07 - Aug 29 by johnlangy |
Correct Bryan.
It's not too long ago (perhaps ten years as you mention) that people used to say Indy support was in single figures percentage wise so would never happen.
32% in such a short space of time is incredible. |
32% 😂 absolute nonsense | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 10:12 - Aug 29 with 1054 views | onehunglow |
| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 10:09 - Aug 29 by 73__73 |
32% 😂 absolute nonsense |
32% what? | |
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| The real gauge as to the appetite for Welsh separatism. on 10:26 - Aug 29 with 1047 views | Dr_Winston |
I would be very surprised if, in a referendum held within the next year or so, if the percentage of the eligible electorate who voted for Independence was more than 25%. Probably lower than 20%. Based on previous turnouts for votes on the matter a lot of people don't give a toss either way and wouldn't bother to vote. Most of the rest would choose to stay put.
I think even in Scotland the actual percentage of the electorate who turned out to vote for Independence barely reached 40%, and that's with the significantly more separate status that they've had in the Union. [Post edited 29 Aug 2022 10:42]
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