| Anyone got any iodine? 20:30 - Mar 8 with 7666 views | EllGazzell |
Looks like that veiled threat of nuclear destruction to anyone who interferes is gonna get tested pretty soon.
https://www.gov.pl/web/diplomacy/statement-of-the-minister-of-foreign-affairs-of
These MIGs are a red hot potato as there are 23 of them - a significant escalation in weapons supplies... Seems like Poland and USA finally agreed that it's best all-round if Uncle Sam is gonna do the deed...
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| Anyone got any iodine? on 09:43 - Mar 11 with 1707 views | D_Alien |
| Anyone got any iodine? on 08:01 - Mar 11 by scooby |
Army training, early 1990s was to get in to NBC suit (nuclear, biological and chemical) in less than 2mins, when the bomb goes off: drop to the floor, dont look at the flash, await the outward pressure wave, await the returning pressure wave, get up, pat yourself down with fuller earth, pick up your rifle and run like chuff around an assault course. Never got told what to do after that.
All caveated with "but if your dead, you obviously can miss out the assault course part" |
Whatever happened to the "can do" spirit? |  |
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| Anyone got any iodine? on 10:14 - Mar 11 with 1654 views | DaleiLama |
| Anyone got any iodine? on 09:43 - Mar 11 by D_Alien |
Whatever happened to the "can do" spirit? |
Most of it is in Molotov cocktails now! |  |
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| Anyone got any iodine? on 14:36 - Mar 11 with 1509 views | 49thseason |
How many studies would you like to read,? here are a few to get you started.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7456194/
"Of 50 patients treated with calcifediol (My note, a form of Vitamin D), one required admission to the ICU (2%), while of 26 untreated patients, 13 required admission (50 %) p value X2 Fischer test p < 0.001. Univariate Risk Estimate Odds Ratio for ICU in patients with Calcifediol treatment versus without Calcifediol treatment: 0.02 (95 %CI 0.002−0.17). Multivariate Risk Estimate Odds Ratio for ICU in patients with Calcifediol treatment vs Without Calcifediol treatment ICU (adjusting by Hypertension and T2DM): 0.03 (95 %CI: 0.003-0.25). Of the patients treated with calcifediol, none died, and all were discharged, without complications. The 13 patients not treated with calcifediol, who were not admitted to the ICU, were discharged. Of the 13 patients admitted to the ICU, two died and the remaining 11 were discharged."
This is the study I quoted
More:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.01.20112334v2
A cohort study to evaluate the effect of combination Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 (DMB) on progression to severe outcome in older COVID-19 patients
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.01.20112334v2
Low serum 25â€hydroxyvitamin D (25[OH]D) levels in patients hospitalised with COVIDâ€19 are associated with greater disease severity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7361912/
Conclusion Older adults with vitamin D deficiency and COVID-19 may demonstrate worse morbidity outcomes. Vitamin D status may be a useful prognosticator.
https://pmj.bmj.com/content/97/1149/442
Results: Eighty one percent of patients had hypovitaminosis D (My Note, Low Vitamin D levels). Based on vitamin D levels, the population was stratified into four groups: no hypovitaminosis D, insufficiency, moderate deficiency, and severe deficiency. No differences regarding demographic and clinical characteristics were found. A survival analysis highlighted that, after 10 days of hospitalization, severe vitamin D deficiency patients had a 50% mortality probability, while those with vitamin D ≥ 10 ng/mL had a 5% mortality risk (p = 0.019).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32772324/
They checked PCR tests to see the correlation between Vit D and Positive tests... Guess what.... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32397511/
And even in the NHS...Implications of all the available evidence.. There is an increased risk of COVID-19 infection in healthcare workers with vitamin D deficiency. Our data adds to the emerging evidence from studies in the UK and across the globe that individuals with severe COVID-19 are more vitamin D deficient than those with mild disease. Finally, ours and the available evidence demonstrate vitamin D supplementation in individuals at risk of vitamin D deficiency or shown to be deficient may help alleviate the impact of COVID-19.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.05.20206706v1
A 2022 Meta study ( a study of other studies if you like) found the following...
Conclusion: Findings of this study shows that vitamin D supplementation is effective in reducing COVID-19 severity. Hence vitamin D should be recommended as an adjuvant therapy for COVID-19
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35166850/
Most of these studies were available in 2020 That the medical profession and Government turned a blind eye was reprehensible, that Hancock said in Parliament that "a study had found vitamin D had no effect" was in my mind criminal and probably cost 100s if not 1000s of lives.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hancock-wrong-to-say-government-scientists-ra
"I do not believe that that Chief Scientific Officer , Sir Patrick Vallance, is impartial as he has shareholdings in a vaccine manufacturer. Matt Hancock declared that vitamin D is not a viable prophylactic or treatment for Covid-19 even though there are numerous studies showing a correlation between serum Vitamin D levels and Covid19 outcomes. Eg. https://febs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/febs.15495"
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/15854/html/ |  | | |
| Anyone got any iodine? on 15:09 - Mar 11 with 1488 views | scooby |
| Anyone got any iodine? on 14:36 - Mar 11 by 49thseason |
How many studies would you like to read,? here are a few to get you started.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7456194/
"Of 50 patients treated with calcifediol (My note, a form of Vitamin D), one required admission to the ICU (2%), while of 26 untreated patients, 13 required admission (50 %) p value X2 Fischer test p < 0.001. Univariate Risk Estimate Odds Ratio for ICU in patients with Calcifediol treatment versus without Calcifediol treatment: 0.02 (95 %CI 0.002−0.17). Multivariate Risk Estimate Odds Ratio for ICU in patients with Calcifediol treatment vs Without Calcifediol treatment ICU (adjusting by Hypertension and T2DM): 0.03 (95 %CI: 0.003-0.25). Of the patients treated with calcifediol, none died, and all were discharged, without complications. The 13 patients not treated with calcifediol, who were not admitted to the ICU, were discharged. Of the 13 patients admitted to the ICU, two died and the remaining 11 were discharged."
This is the study I quoted
More:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.01.20112334v2
A cohort study to evaluate the effect of combination Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 (DMB) on progression to severe outcome in older COVID-19 patients
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.01.20112334v2
Low serum 25â€hydroxyvitamin D (25[OH]D) levels in patients hospitalised with COVIDâ€19 are associated with greater disease severity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7361912/
Conclusion Older adults with vitamin D deficiency and COVID-19 may demonstrate worse morbidity outcomes. Vitamin D status may be a useful prognosticator.
https://pmj.bmj.com/content/97/1149/442
Results: Eighty one percent of patients had hypovitaminosis D (My Note, Low Vitamin D levels). Based on vitamin D levels, the population was stratified into four groups: no hypovitaminosis D, insufficiency, moderate deficiency, and severe deficiency. No differences regarding demographic and clinical characteristics were found. A survival analysis highlighted that, after 10 days of hospitalization, severe vitamin D deficiency patients had a 50% mortality probability, while those with vitamin D ≥ 10 ng/mL had a 5% mortality risk (p = 0.019).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32772324/
They checked PCR tests to see the correlation between Vit D and Positive tests... Guess what.... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32397511/
And even in the NHS...Implications of all the available evidence.. There is an increased risk of COVID-19 infection in healthcare workers with vitamin D deficiency. Our data adds to the emerging evidence from studies in the UK and across the globe that individuals with severe COVID-19 are more vitamin D deficient than those with mild disease. Finally, ours and the available evidence demonstrate vitamin D supplementation in individuals at risk of vitamin D deficiency or shown to be deficient may help alleviate the impact of COVID-19.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.05.20206706v1
A 2022 Meta study ( a study of other studies if you like) found the following...
Conclusion: Findings of this study shows that vitamin D supplementation is effective in reducing COVID-19 severity. Hence vitamin D should be recommended as an adjuvant therapy for COVID-19
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35166850/
Most of these studies were available in 2020 That the medical profession and Government turned a blind eye was reprehensible, that Hancock said in Parliament that "a study had found vitamin D had no effect" was in my mind criminal and probably cost 100s if not 1000s of lives.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hancock-wrong-to-say-government-scientists-ra
"I do not believe that that Chief Scientific Officer , Sir Patrick Vallance, is impartial as he has shareholdings in a vaccine manufacturer. Matt Hancock declared that vitamin D is not a viable prophylactic or treatment for Covid-19 even though there are numerous studies showing a correlation between serum Vitamin D levels and Covid19 outcomes. Eg. https://febs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/febs.15495"
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/15854/html/ |
to quote Chris Whitty on a call the other week "there are people with lots of strange views and mindsets, there is no point trying to change their views or minds. They are welcome to their thoughts" |  | | |
| Anyone got any iodine? on 16:16 - Mar 11 with 1401 views | D_Alien |
| Anyone got any iodine? on 15:09 - Mar 11 by scooby |
to quote Chris Whitty on a call the other week "there are people with lots of strange views and mindsets, there is no point trying to change their views or minds. They are welcome to their thoughts" |
It's also (from 49th's point of view) important to avoid confusion when referring to meta-analyses
Meta (sic) is the new-fangled name for Facebook, and nothing to do with scientific research
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| Anyone got any iodine? on 23:04 - Mar 12 with 1147 views | TomRAFC |
| Anyone got any iodine? on 20:29 - Mar 10 by 49thseason |
Quote is from the Michigan Dept. of the Environment who you might expect know a little of which they speak.... and it was at the top of my Google search!
I used quotes to show that I borrowed the quotation from another source in case you thought I actually knew anything about the particular subject... I am pretty sure you wouldn't advise anyone to drink Iodine?
As it happens, there are many subjects with which I do have more than a passing knowledge , Vitamin D being one as I have been studying it for 12years unlike most GPs who had it mentioned to them on a wet Wednesday afternoon lecture in my personal experience. Indeed it was the incompetence and downright rudeness of an NHS Neurologist was got me started because he refused to prescribe my wife with Beta Interferon despite being asked to do so by a more senior specialist in the field with a distinct competence in MS by stating she "wasn't eligible".
I began researching Vitamin D in search of a therapy for my wife following my finding of an Australian study which suggested Vitamin D had the same outcomes as BI without the side effects ( and cost) and started to dose her with what the medical establishment in the UK would have regarded as a huge amount, it has since prevented a major relapse in all that time. and I believe it is now becoming a mainstream therapy in some places, even the Mayo Clinic now seems to think it has value
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/multiple-sclerosis/expert-answers
Although I disagree with their rather guarded assessment of the dosage required.
My wife has not suffered a relapse for 12 tears since starting on Vit D So frankly, I have reached the stage where don't give a flying f*ck about anyone's qualifications, I measure people by what they do , not what a piece of paper says they ought to be able to do.
By the way, my other current medical interests are in the use of AI in medicine and DNA Cancer vaccines, principally because I am invested in them (money where the mouth is and all that). And no, I don't give investment advice.
I agree this may not be the place to get into scientific discussions but then I didn't start the threads. And I don't think the lack of a particular qualification should be a barrier to a bit of research and using a bit of common sense do you? |
"And I don't think the lack of a particular qualification should be a barrier to a bit of research and using a bit of common sense do you?".
People with a "particular qualification" are accountable to an evidence base and their proffesional registration. People with a "particular qualification" put years into developing that skillset. Fortunately, people don't equate your level of self-importance with a level of knowledge. Others on this thread have shared links to some of your other silly posts. [Post edited 13 Mar 2022 6:27]
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| Anyone got any iodine? on 14:21 - Mar 13 with 1003 views | 49thseason |
| Anyone got any iodine? on 23:04 - Mar 12 by TomRAFC |
"And I don't think the lack of a particular qualification should be a barrier to a bit of research and using a bit of common sense do you?".
People with a "particular qualification" are accountable to an evidence base and their proffesional registration. People with a "particular qualification" put years into developing that skillset. Fortunately, people don't equate your level of self-importance with a level of knowledge. Others on this thread have shared links to some of your other silly posts. [Post edited 13 Mar 2022 6:27]
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At least I check my spelling!
"accountable to an evidence base and their proffesional registration"
Seems like I touched a nerve. Since you have no idea who I am or what my qualifications are, I think your comments are pompous and rather smug. Quite why you should be affronted by the idea that there are people in the world who understand stuff that the "professions" seem to regard as their private domain is beyond me. This is the age of transparency, where "professionals" are liable to be questioned and their motives examined. The days of "just trust me I'm a professional " are thankfully long gone.
Maybe you can explain why 230,000 UK registered Doctors manage to incur nearly £8,000,000,000 (£8Bn)of taxpayers money in negligence claims every year if the professional standards are so high?
" You've not done research, you've done a Google search"
Well, of course I have, you do realise that the internet now holds the largest amount of information ever assembled in human history in a searchable format and that just about every Government document not covered by some sort of Official Secrets Act is posted there? As are the vast majority of medical research papers. Did you expect me to wander down to the Manchester Central Library and ask for back copies of the Lancet (Paper circulation 29,000, online 81,000)? (Yes Its on the Internet!)
And so far your comments have been entirely ad hominem, perhaps you would like to give us the benefit of your professional experience and tell us why you think taking Vitamin D is a bad idea? Or do you think its a good idea but resent that a mere Prole has suggested it?
And no I wont be knocking on Stockdale's door because I have "done some training", I haven't kicked a ball in anger for over 35 years, although I was training with Rochdale Boys U16 on Spotland under the lights when Bob Stokoe was appointed as manager for his first spell and was introduced to us on the pitch. | | | |
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