| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 13:06 - Feb 7 with 2183 views | James1980 |
Regarding the criticism of the post match interview is it possible the coaching team know the personalities of the players better than any of us? That with 60 points still to play for that we need 26 of to maintain our league one status. That sending out a message of we're doomed is not going have the desired effect of being in league one next season. [Post edited 7 Feb 2021 13:11]
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 13:33 - Feb 7 with 2100 views | judd |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 13:00 - Feb 7 by Yorkshire_Dale |
Yes but are they games from the 1980's? That does n't count. |
I suppose it does beg the question of how, during a pandemic, does the club get to watch upcoming opponents?
I thought scouts were not allowed to attend games. |  |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 13:57 - Feb 7 with 2046 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 13:33 - Feb 7 by judd |
I suppose it does beg the question of how, during a pandemic, does the club get to watch upcoming opponents?
I thought scouts were not allowed to attend games. |
All games are uploaded to some sort of portal, I believe. |  |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 14:16 - Feb 7 with 2015 views | Dalenet |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 13:33 - Feb 7 by judd |
I suppose it does beg the question of how, during a pandemic, does the club get to watch upcoming opponents?
I thought scouts were not allowed to attend games. |
I watched the Gills manager interviewed before our game in Kent and he said that he had travelled to watch us at Charlton and at Doncaster. So he was clearly able to justify travelling for work and was able to get a seat (or two in his case). If BBM or Lee Riley want to travel they can so it seems. And he didn't have a game on Tuesday. | | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 14:45 - Feb 7 with 1950 views | NorthernDale |
Most of us never expected anything from the Charlton game, if we are honest, but Tuesdays and Saturday's games are ones we must avoid a losing and possibly sneaking a win.
On Tuesday, I would drop Dooley and bring in either Keohane or Done at left back, Mcloughlin at right back and with Roberts operating in front of O'Connell and Osho or operating in effect five at the back, but would potentially the fullbacks to get forward.
This formation is controversial, but we need to stop conceding poor goals, because we must remember MK Dons have some decent strikers. | | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 16:47 - Feb 7 with 1747 views | Delboy |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 09:55 - Feb 7 by funkkk |
I know BBM has said he doesn’t look at the table but, honestly, he speaks like we’re in the top three.
‘The performance wasn’t as good as we have produced in the last five or six weeks’ - we’ve won one game in the last 6 weeks.
‘We’ve been in really good form and very happy with how we’ve been playing’ - see above.
‘That was disappointing, but the lads have been amazing over a long period of time now...’ - I give up!
You can’t fool the fans, Brian. |
The most depressing thing after watching another abject home performance is reading BBM's comments. They imply that the problem yesterday was an unexpected dip in form against a strong opponent at a time when we have been playing so well. That fact in itself is patently not the case. His statement is troubling because it suggests that he has no plans to do anything different in upcoming games. His belief that nothing is fundamentally wrong and the fact that he is 'excited' by what he sees is staggering. He does not seem to recognise that other managers have sussed him and that now is the time that good coaches step upto the plate try to freshen things up try to catch teams out by showing some imagination and variety in approach.
Tuesdays game is critical taking us into a period of fixtures which without doubt will make or break us. It's now time for BBM to prove that he is not just a one trick pony and that he is upto the task because I for one am begining to doubt it. [Post edited 7 Feb 2021 17:13]
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 17:10 - Feb 7 with 1692 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 21:16 - Feb 6 by James1980 |
See the leaves on the line is a genuine reason for trains being delayed. Driver told me he was out with his DI (instructor) in leaf fall season driving a set of empties. He told him to start braking for a station at the point he would in normal conditions. Because the leaves reduce traction between the rails and wheels so much the train overshot the platform by the entire length of the train. Basically the leaves mean the trains are having to brake earlier leading to slight delays. |
Good explanation there Jimbo...thanks.
Now,what about this "wrong type of snow " on the lines jobby? | | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 17:29 - Feb 7 with 1643 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 22:42 - Feb 6 by since58 |
More like headless chickens. |
Headless or heedless, as in continuing to make the same errors? | | | |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 17:57 - Feb 7 with 1594 views | James1980 |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 17:10 - Feb 7 by Yorkshire_Dale |
Good explanation there Jimbo...thanks.
Now,what about this "wrong type of snow " on the lines jobby? |
Sorry YD not entirely sure. I know if ice forms on the third rail that can stop the train drawing electric. Also points can get frozen but these are usually heated these days. I recall hearing something about powdery snow causing problems to trains but not sure what that is.
Back to the football 17/18 season after 26 games we had 22 points
18/19 Season we had 30 points and 19/20 28 points at the 26 game point. So around the same number we have this season and we survived at the end of those seasons we can survive again. Although just being content with survival is particularly ambitious though. | |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 19:07 - Feb 7 with 1498 views | finberty |
I watched the Wales - Ireland game and studied Peter O'Mahoney up until his rightful dismissal. I know it's the wrong sport, but O'Mahoney plays on the very edge as though his life depends upon it. He exudes a certain menace - not so much his physicality, but the facial demeanour and obvious relish for a physical battle.
Wouldn't it be grand if we had a character like that to give the opposition something to worry about - a cynical midfield boss who cared. What we actually have in there is the diminutive Ollie (easily dispossessed, as demonstrated yesterday), then young Baah, then a winger who does not take his man on nor put in fearsome tackles, and then another youngster who prefers to launch 40 yarders rather than get engaged in a spat. Lund we know is capable of mixing it, but where is the bite in this team? All teams in this division need it, and it is fanciful to continue to believe that pretty tippy happy cleverness is the route to safety. The table alone tells me that. |  | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 19:21 - Feb 7 with 1460 views | finberty |
On a similar note, there were comments commending the Charlton centre back who snuffed out Humps yesterday.
This was Jason Pearce - the same Jason Pearce who, when at Wigan, adeptly wound Hendo into red-mist infused red card. Experience, know-how and cynicism.
That's the kind of know-how you need. Where is ours? | | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 19:34 - Feb 7 with 1412 views | judd |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 22:22 - Feb 6 by Shun |
Can't agree there, judd. As always, luck generally evens itself out over a whole season. We're in this league on merit and we've survived in it on merit. |
The more I have thought of your view on merit, the more worried I have become.
To believe we merit our position without acknowledging the outrageous luck we have had is what will see us lose our merited league 1 place and take up a merited league 2 position.
We cannot ever legislate for teams being on negative points, experiencing almost calamitous financial turmoil or fortuitous pandemics.
We have not improved nor progressed on and off the field despite the raft of changes since the boardroom coup.
Staying as we are, we will not finish outside relegation in a normal 46 league game season, in my opinion.
Merit is Accrington. Good fortune is us. | |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 19:45 - Feb 7 with 1394 views | 442Dale |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 19:21 - Feb 7 by finberty |
On a similar note, there were comments commending the Charlton centre back who snuffed out Humps yesterday.
This was Jason Pearce - the same Jason Pearce who, when at Wigan, adeptly wound Hendo into red-mist infused red card. Experience, know-how and cynicism.
That's the kind of know-how you need. Where is ours? |
Pearce was very good yesterday. And to think some people of the football variety thought Henderson was hard done to that day. |  |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 20:13 - Feb 7 with 1332 views | since58 |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 17:29 - Feb 7 by Yorkshire_Dale |
Headless or heedless, as in continuing to make the same errors? |
Either way there cock ups. | | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 20:42 - Feb 7 with 1264 views | blackdogblue |
On the subject of BBM interviews... on twitter I see the links, one of the last time we lost at home watched the first 3 secs & he laughed, might have been an intro question or nerves but completely switched me off to them...
Really on the fence & it’s creaking.. lose on Tuesday & will be asking for some of u to contribute to a BBEXIT banner (TM) 😀 & will put it up myself on the concrete fence facing the main entrance.. |  |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 21:48 - Feb 7 with 1195 views | Shun |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 19:34 - Feb 7 by judd |
The more I have thought of your view on merit, the more worried I have become.
To believe we merit our position without acknowledging the outrageous luck we have had is what will see us lose our merited league 1 place and take up a merited league 2 position.
We cannot ever legislate for teams being on negative points, experiencing almost calamitous financial turmoil or fortuitous pandemics.
We have not improved nor progressed on and off the field despite the raft of changes since the boardroom coup.
Staying as we are, we will not finish outside relegation in a normal 46 league game season, in my opinion.
Merit is Accrington. Good fortune is us. |
Still can’t agree, judd. We’ve only seen one team with a points deduction in our recent poor seasons, and even if that team hadn’t received such a deduction we still would’ve survived.
I don’t see how we’ve received outrageous luck in the slightest. We’ve had instances of good luck, and instances of bad luck, as all teams do every season. Last season we suffered the worst injury crisis I’ve known at Dale. Perhaps a heavy dose of bad luck, or perhaps poor planning by having such a small squad.
Either way, we survived. As we have done for the past few years. To suggest that’s solely down to outrageous luck rather than merit is, in my opinion, offensive to BBM and the squad.
‘Staying as we are, we will not finish outside relegation in a normal 46 game season’ - I don’t know how that opinion can be justified. Is this not a normal 46 game season? We’ve only been in the relegation zone for three days in this season and last so your opinion doesn’t add up. |  | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 22:10 - Feb 7 with 1155 views | EllDale |
I sometimes ponder what our attendances may have slumped to in a “normal” season given our turgid home form and displays.
And how that might have stirred the board into having a word with the manager?
Statistically at the COA we’re rivalling 1973/74 at the moment but because there are no dissenting voices behind the dugout the club are literally in their own little bubble.
I have no doubt that boos would have been heard at halftime yesterday and probably midway through the Gillingham, Crewe and Wigan games. | | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 22:14 - Feb 7 with 1140 views | judd |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 21:48 - Feb 7 by Shun |
Still can’t agree, judd. We’ve only seen one team with a points deduction in our recent poor seasons, and even if that team hadn’t received such a deduction we still would’ve survived.
I don’t see how we’ve received outrageous luck in the slightest. We’ve had instances of good luck, and instances of bad luck, as all teams do every season. Last season we suffered the worst injury crisis I’ve known at Dale. Perhaps a heavy dose of bad luck, or perhaps poor planning by having such a small squad.
Either way, we survived. As we have done for the past few years. To suggest that’s solely down to outrageous luck rather than merit is, in my opinion, offensive to BBM and the squad.
‘Staying as we are, we will not finish outside relegation in a normal 46 game season’ - I don’t know how that opinion can be justified. Is this not a normal 46 game season? We’ve only been in the relegation zone for three days in this season and last so your opinion doesn’t add up. |
Appreciate your response, Shun.
Bolton and Bury filled relegation spots we may have taken ourselves.
Wigan this season have almost had a similar effect.
The luck I refer to as outrageous include our win v Charlton and Oldham failing to score one more goal v Northampton, and sadly, the pandemic ending last season early.
Injury crisis when signing injury prone players?
This season is not normal at all. 1 win at home in all competitions?
That we have spent little time in the relegation zone thus far merits fook all. It's where we end up early May, and an inability to accelerate away from those staring at the vortex is the worry.
So, we have been lucky with the plight of bury and Bolton, and this season Wigan, for 4 points at least, and last season a mechanism at a point in time that allowed us to survive.
I aim no disrespect to BBM or his squads, but we will run out of luck.
Stay safe. | |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 22:36 - Feb 7 with 1097 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 22:14 - Feb 7 by judd |
Appreciate your response, Shun.
Bolton and Bury filled relegation spots we may have taken ourselves.
Wigan this season have almost had a similar effect.
The luck I refer to as outrageous include our win v Charlton and Oldham failing to score one more goal v Northampton, and sadly, the pandemic ending last season early.
Injury crisis when signing injury prone players?
This season is not normal at all. 1 win at home in all competitions?
That we have spent little time in the relegation zone thus far merits fook all. It's where we end up early May, and an inability to accelerate away from those staring at the vortex is the worry.
So, we have been lucky with the plight of bury and Bolton, and this season Wigan, for 4 points at least, and last season a mechanism at a point in time that allowed us to survive.
I aim no disrespect to BBM or his squads, but we will run out of luck.
Stay safe. |
Although, Oldham got lucky that some twot ran on the pitch to remonstrate with the ref at Spotland, thereby putting off Joe Rafferty before his penalty. Or summat! | |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 22:47 - Feb 7 with 1067 views | judd |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 22:36 - Feb 7 by TVOS1907 |
Although, Oldham got lucky that some twot ran on the pitch to remonstrate with the ref at Spotland, thereby putting off Joe Rafferty before his penalty. Or summat! |
Wrong choice of penalty taker?
To add credence to my response to Shun, the Charlton win saw us start the day in a relegation position. | |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 23:00 - Feb 7 with 1049 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 22:47 - Feb 7 by judd |
Wrong choice of penalty taker?
To add credence to my response to Shun, the Charlton win saw us start the day in a relegation position. |
Definitely the wrong choice of taker. Annoyingly, our regular taker had managed to get himself a four-match suspension. | |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 23:05 - Feb 7 with 1036 views | since58 |
And ???? | | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 23:05 - Feb 7 with 1035 views | Delboy |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 22:14 - Feb 7 by judd |
Appreciate your response, Shun.
Bolton and Bury filled relegation spots we may have taken ourselves.
Wigan this season have almost had a similar effect.
The luck I refer to as outrageous include our win v Charlton and Oldham failing to score one more goal v Northampton, and sadly, the pandemic ending last season early.
Injury crisis when signing injury prone players?
This season is not normal at all. 1 win at home in all competitions?
That we have spent little time in the relegation zone thus far merits fook all. It's where we end up early May, and an inability to accelerate away from those staring at the vortex is the worry.
So, we have been lucky with the plight of bury and Bolton, and this season Wigan, for 4 points at least, and last season a mechanism at a point in time that allowed us to survive.
I aim no disrespect to BBM or his squads, but we will run out of luck.
Stay safe. |
20 games left.
Our last 20 games have generated 5 wins 7draws and 8 losses.
If we replicate that in the remaining games we have to play we will only have a total of 48 points.
Which means we now need to improve our performance to retain our place in this league on merit. If we do not we will be relying on a large slice of luck as Judd feels we have had in the past.
I wish that I could feel more confident that we are capable of achieving the points needed to stay up on merit. The next few games this month will show without question whether we have what it takes.
Fingers Crossed !! | | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 23:14 - Feb 7 with 1013 views | Shun |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Charlton on 22:14 - Feb 7 by judd |
Appreciate your response, Shun.
Bolton and Bury filled relegation spots we may have taken ourselves.
Wigan this season have almost had a similar effect.
The luck I refer to as outrageous include our win v Charlton and Oldham failing to score one more goal v Northampton, and sadly, the pandemic ending last season early.
Injury crisis when signing injury prone players?
This season is not normal at all. 1 win at home in all competitions?
That we have spent little time in the relegation zone thus far merits fook all. It's where we end up early May, and an inability to accelerate away from those staring at the vortex is the worry.
So, we have been lucky with the plight of bury and Bolton, and this season Wigan, for 4 points at least, and last season a mechanism at a point in time that allowed us to survive.
I aim no disrespect to BBM or his squads, but we will run out of luck.
Stay safe. |
Apologies, I forgot about Bury.
I don’t see how our last-day victory over Charlton was lucky at all, similarly Oldham failing to score at Northampton. You could pick any loss out of the season and say we were unlucky that day, and that bad luck balances out the Charlton good luck and we still stay up. We stayed up that season because we were better than Oldham and the other three across 46 games. Luck had nothing to do with it.
We can be lucky over a single game and win a game we didn’t deserve to, but over a 46 game season? I’m not having that. We’ll get good luck and we’ll get bad luck - neither is enough to dictate our league position.
Our home form is disastrous but I don’t see how luck has anything to do with that. In so far as there are no teams on points deductions, this is a normal 46 game season, and we currently aren’t on course to be relegated. | | | |
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