| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? 17:44 - Jun 29 with 2732 views | ROTTWEILERS |
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| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 17:46 - Jun 29 with 2724 views | basilrobbiereborn |
There is a school of thought that says that Leicester should be locked down on public health grounds all of the time.
Just saying. |  |
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| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 17:54 - Jun 29 with 2716 views | ROTTWEILERS |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 17:46 - Jun 29 by basilrobbiereborn |
There is a school of thought that says that Leicester should be locked down on public health grounds all of the time.
Just saying. |
hehe...
I'd be feeling pretty cheesed off if I lived there but I am definitely at the libertarian end of the lockdown 'scale'. There are plenty in this town that would welcome back tighter restrictions. | |
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| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 19:01 - Jun 29 with 2708 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 17:54 - Jun 29 by ROTTWEILERS |
hehe...
I'd be feeling pretty cheesed off if I lived there but I am definitely at the libertarian end of the lockdown 'scale'. There are plenty in this town that would welcome back tighter restrictions. |
That'll teach Dewsbury-Hall not to ask to extend his loan deal for another season. |  |
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| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 10:56 - Jun 30 with 2694 views | spudgun |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 19:01 - Jun 29 by BringBackTheRedRoom |
That'll teach Dewsbury-Hall not to ask to extend his loan deal for another season. |
The mayor of Leicester`s comments may have carried more weight if he hadn`t been caught breaking lock down guidelines on at least two occasions.
Don`t think it is really a question of `fairness` , more whether it is appropriate and necessary... | | | |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 11:54 - Jun 30 with 2689 views | ROTTWEILERS |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 10:56 - Jun 30 by spudgun |
The mayor of Leicester`s comments may have carried more weight if he hadn`t been caught breaking lock down guidelines on at least two occasions.
Don`t think it is really a question of `fairness` , more whether it is appropriate and necessary... |
Do you think it is appropriate and necessary spud? In practical terms, is it even enforceable? | |
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| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 12:03 - Jun 30 with 2685 views | Imperial |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 11:54 - Jun 30 by ROTTWEILERS |
Do you think it is appropriate and necessary spud? In practical terms, is it even enforceable? |
Would any further lockdown be enforceable again?
Not unless the authorities were walking the streets putting an x on front doors. | | | |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 16:14 - Jun 30 with 2666 views | spudgun |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 11:54 - Jun 30 by ROTTWEILERS |
Do you think it is appropriate and necessary spud? In practical terms, is it even enforceable? |
I don`t really know is the truthful answer, Rotts.
I know that goes against the social media code of untrammelled certainty regardless of detailed and corroborated evidence, but I just don`t have your level of conviction on this one.
In lieu of a `world-beating` track and trace system, and the option of doing nothing, it is the only game in town I suppose. And I suspect doing nothing will probably result in a higher death toll. But that is only a gut feeling, and not a bridge I would be prepared to die on.
As to whether it is enforceable, I would suspect some coercion may be needed... | | | |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 16:56 - Jun 30 with 2662 views | ROTTWEILERS |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 16:14 - Jun 30 by spudgun |
I don`t really know is the truthful answer, Rotts.
I know that goes against the social media code of untrammelled certainty regardless of detailed and corroborated evidence, but I just don`t have your level of conviction on this one.
In lieu of a `world-beating` track and trace system, and the option of doing nothing, it is the only game in town I suppose. And I suspect doing nothing will probably result in a higher death toll. But that is only a gut feeling, and not a bridge I would be prepared to die on.
As to whether it is enforceable, I would suspect some coercion may be needed... |
I don't think I do have a level of conviction on this but do know I would feel aggrieved. The government hasn't set out a strong evidential base for their decision (if they have I've missed it). A local 'spike' in cases could be young people infected at home with mild symptoms. If however their ICU is becoming swamped, that is a different story. | |
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| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 17:58 - Jun 30 with 2658 views | spudgun |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 16:56 - Jun 30 by ROTTWEILERS |
I don't think I do have a level of conviction on this but do know I would feel aggrieved. The government hasn't set out a strong evidential base for their decision (if they have I've missed it). A local 'spike' in cases could be young people infected at home with mild symptoms. If however their ICU is becoming swamped, that is a different story. |
I agree that `setting out a strong evidential base` is very much part of the problem. The rationale behind `the science`, which is so often touted, needs to be made more available to scrutiny, as trusting this government`s judgement is becoming more and more problematic.
More information on the demographics of the `spike` would be also be helpful... | | | |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 19:28 - Jun 30 with 2652 views | spell_chekker |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 17:58 - Jun 30 by spudgun |
I agree that `setting out a strong evidential base` is very much part of the problem. The rationale behind `the science`, which is so often touted, needs to be made more available to scrutiny, as trusting this government`s judgement is becoming more and more problematic.
More information on the demographics of the `spike` would be also be helpful... |
5 Important Things to Know About Leicester:
Leicester is 100 miles from London
It is the 10th largest city in the U.K.
It is famous for its foods, particularly the geographically protected Melton Mowbray pork pie and Stilton cheese.
It is home to the 2016 English Premier League soccer champions Leicester City.
Well, that's 4 things.
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| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 19:43 - Jun 30 with 2649 views | spudgun |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 19:28 - Jun 30 by spell_chekker |
5 Important Things to Know About Leicester:
Leicester is 100 miles from London
It is the 10th largest city in the U.K.
It is famous for its foods, particularly the geographically protected Melton Mowbray pork pie and Stilton cheese.
It is home to the 2016 English Premier League soccer champions Leicester City.
Well, that's 4 things.
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Have been there only once - young spud was scouted by them and offered a trial when he was 15. Had a lovely day out there... | | | |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 20:06 - Jun 30 with 2644 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 19:43 - Jun 30 by spudgun |
Have been there only once - young spud was scouted by them and offered a trial when he was 15. Had a lovely day out there... |
Police in Leicester were not issued a map of the area affected by the UK's first local lockdown until "well after the announcement", the county's police and crime commissioner has said.
Lord Willy Bach said the information "has now been issued" but law enforcement had "received minimal guidance" on the tighter restrictions.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock announced the lockdown at 21:15 BST on Monday.
Non-essential shops have shut and schools will be closed to most pupils.
The tightening of restrictions in Leicester will last for at least two weeks and apply to the city centre and a number of suburbs.
Mr Hancock said the measures would be enforced by police "in some cases".
However, Lord Bach said: "Amazingly we were not even provided with a map of the area until well after the announcement.
"That has now been issued, but, unfortunately, we received minimal guidance regarding practical implementation at the time the measures were imposed.
"I have a great deal of sympathy with the agencies charged with delivery. They needed clarity from the start, and I am astonished that it is being drip-fed as the day progresses."
Announcing measures for the lockdown, Mr Hancock said Leicester had "10% of all positive cases in the country over the past week".
The Department of Health said as of 17:00 BST on Monday, 43,730 people have died in hospital of coronavirus in the UK, an increase of 155 on the day before.
Leicester's mayor, Sir Peter Soulsby, has urged people in the city to "stick together" and stay at home.
Sir Peter said he was glad the health secretary had introduced measures that went beyond just extending the current level of restrictions.
"What we got was more wide-ranging than we'd anticipated and I'm really grateful for that," he said.
"Because while it is a pain and a nuisance for us in the city to be subject to that level of restriction and to have the clock, as it were, turned back, it is nonetheless something that has some realistic prospect of being effective."
The loosening of restrictions in England which are due on Saturday, including the reopening of bars, restaurants and hair salons, will also not be taking place in the city.
The relaxation of shielding measures on 6 July - which will allow the most clinically vulnerable to spend more time outside - has been cancelled in Leicester.
The Bishop of Leicester said no weddings or funerals would take place in church buildings as a result of the local lockdown.
Mr Hancock said advice on people not travelling in or out of Leicester was a "recommendation for now", but laws could be put in place to enforce the lockdown.
He said the lockdown was "profoundly in the interest of people in Leicester, and across the country that we get this virus under control".
However, shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth said the government had left people in the city "anxious and confused".
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer echoed calls for a government press conference, saying the people of Leicester were "crying out for answers to perfectly legitimate questions".
Downing Street said legislation already existed to allow the government to enforce the local lockdown but it needed to be signed off by the health secretary.
A spokesman said there were no plans for a news conference, while Prime Minister Boris Johnson said he would "stay in close contact" with Leicester's mayor "as we monitor the situation".
Sir Peter also criticised the government and Public Health England for being too slow to share testing data with the city's officials.
He said local leaders had tried to get figures from the government "for weeks".
"I wish they had taken a more speedy decision rather than leaving it 11 days from the secretary of state's first announcement," he said.
"That's a long gap, and a long time for the virus to spread."
Mr Hancock said Leicester's seven-day infection rate was 135 cases per 100,000 people - three times that of the next highest city.
Bradford, Barnsley and Rochdale have all seen 45 or more cases per 100,000 people in the last week.
ave Stokes, chairman of Leicestershire Police Federation, called on the government to provide more detail on what the public can and cannot do during the lockdown.
"As we have seen over recent weeks and months, if the guidance and messaging from government is confusing for the public, then it will be almost impossible for our colleagues to police," he said.
Nottinghamshire Police said officers could fine visitors from Leicester who they suspected had travelled to Nottingham for a "night out".
The force said it would work with British Transport Police to ensure people were not coming to the city on trains from Leicester to shop or visit pubs.
The local lockdown has also affected Leicester residents who had made holiday plans.
Tracy Jebbett, 50, was due to travel to Pentewan Sands in Cornwall with her husband and daughter on 11 July.
But the campsite the family had booked put up a Facebook post on Tuesday, saying they would not allow anyone from Leicester to visit the site.
"I feel like a Leicester leper," she said.
"I understand why, but I think they should've contacted the holiday goers from Leicester privately by email."
Businesses also said they had been left reeling by the abrupt nature of the announcement.
Blake Edwards, owner of Flappers and Gentlemen salon, said he was "devastated" by the news as he was due to reopen on Saturday and had bookings for the next five weeks.
"Time is running out [for the business], we're going to need more support," he said.
"Even though the staff is being furloughed, rent still needs to be paid, all the other bills still need to be paid."
The government has confirmed businesses that have been forced to shut their doors because of the local lockdown can re-furlough staff.
Restaurant owner Shaf Islam said: "I had a spring in my step getting ready for the reopening on the fourth of July.
"To say the news is a big disappointment is an understatement. We'd spent a lot of money and I'd called staff back from furlough."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53236467 | |
| ‘Where there is harmony, may we bring discord. Where there is truth, may we bring error. Where there is faith, may we bring doubt. And where there is hope, may we bring despair’ |
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| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 20:26 - Jun 30 with 2636 views | ROTTWEILERS |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 20:06 - Jun 30 by BringBackTheRedRoom |
Police in Leicester were not issued a map of the area affected by the UK's first local lockdown until "well after the announcement", the county's police and crime commissioner has said.
Lord Willy Bach said the information "has now been issued" but law enforcement had "received minimal guidance" on the tighter restrictions.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock announced the lockdown at 21:15 BST on Monday.
Non-essential shops have shut and schools will be closed to most pupils.
The tightening of restrictions in Leicester will last for at least two weeks and apply to the city centre and a number of suburbs.
Mr Hancock said the measures would be enforced by police "in some cases".
However, Lord Bach said: "Amazingly we were not even provided with a map of the area until well after the announcement.
"That has now been issued, but, unfortunately, we received minimal guidance regarding practical implementation at the time the measures were imposed.
"I have a great deal of sympathy with the agencies charged with delivery. They needed clarity from the start, and I am astonished that it is being drip-fed as the day progresses."
Announcing measures for the lockdown, Mr Hancock said Leicester had "10% of all positive cases in the country over the past week".
The Department of Health said as of 17:00 BST on Monday, 43,730 people have died in hospital of coronavirus in the UK, an increase of 155 on the day before.
Leicester's mayor, Sir Peter Soulsby, has urged people in the city to "stick together" and stay at home.
Sir Peter said he was glad the health secretary had introduced measures that went beyond just extending the current level of restrictions.
"What we got was more wide-ranging than we'd anticipated and I'm really grateful for that," he said.
"Because while it is a pain and a nuisance for us in the city to be subject to that level of restriction and to have the clock, as it were, turned back, it is nonetheless something that has some realistic prospect of being effective."
The loosening of restrictions in England which are due on Saturday, including the reopening of bars, restaurants and hair salons, will also not be taking place in the city.
The relaxation of shielding measures on 6 July - which will allow the most clinically vulnerable to spend more time outside - has been cancelled in Leicester.
The Bishop of Leicester said no weddings or funerals would take place in church buildings as a result of the local lockdown.
Mr Hancock said advice on people not travelling in or out of Leicester was a "recommendation for now", but laws could be put in place to enforce the lockdown.
He said the lockdown was "profoundly in the interest of people in Leicester, and across the country that we get this virus under control".
However, shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth said the government had left people in the city "anxious and confused".
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer echoed calls for a government press conference, saying the people of Leicester were "crying out for answers to perfectly legitimate questions".
Downing Street said legislation already existed to allow the government to enforce the local lockdown but it needed to be signed off by the health secretary.
A spokesman said there were no plans for a news conference, while Prime Minister Boris Johnson said he would "stay in close contact" with Leicester's mayor "as we monitor the situation".
Sir Peter also criticised the government and Public Health England for being too slow to share testing data with the city's officials.
He said local leaders had tried to get figures from the government "for weeks".
"I wish they had taken a more speedy decision rather than leaving it 11 days from the secretary of state's first announcement," he said.
"That's a long gap, and a long time for the virus to spread."
Mr Hancock said Leicester's seven-day infection rate was 135 cases per 100,000 people - three times that of the next highest city.
Bradford, Barnsley and Rochdale have all seen 45 or more cases per 100,000 people in the last week.
ave Stokes, chairman of Leicestershire Police Federation, called on the government to provide more detail on what the public can and cannot do during the lockdown.
"As we have seen over recent weeks and months, if the guidance and messaging from government is confusing for the public, then it will be almost impossible for our colleagues to police," he said.
Nottinghamshire Police said officers could fine visitors from Leicester who they suspected had travelled to Nottingham for a "night out".
The force said it would work with British Transport Police to ensure people were not coming to the city on trains from Leicester to shop or visit pubs.
The local lockdown has also affected Leicester residents who had made holiday plans.
Tracy Jebbett, 50, was due to travel to Pentewan Sands in Cornwall with her husband and daughter on 11 July.
But the campsite the family had booked put up a Facebook post on Tuesday, saying they would not allow anyone from Leicester to visit the site.
"I feel like a Leicester leper," she said.
"I understand why, but I think they should've contacted the holiday goers from Leicester privately by email."
Businesses also said they had been left reeling by the abrupt nature of the announcement.
Blake Edwards, owner of Flappers and Gentlemen salon, said he was "devastated" by the news as he was due to reopen on Saturday and had bookings for the next five weeks.
"Time is running out [for the business], we're going to need more support," he said.
"Even though the staff is being furloughed, rent still needs to be paid, all the other bills still need to be paid."
The government has confirmed businesses that have been forced to shut their doors because of the local lockdown can re-furlough staff.
Restaurant owner Shaf Islam said: "I had a spring in my step getting ready for the reopening on the fourth of July.
"To say the news is a big disappointment is an understatement. We'd spent a lot of money and I'd called staff back from furlough."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53236467 |
It goes back to what Lord Sumption was saying back in March about the government trying to pass guidance off as law.
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| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 07:02 - Jul 1 with 2625 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 20:26 - Jun 30 by ROTTWEILERS |
It goes back to what Lord Sumption was saying back in March about the government trying to pass guidance off as law.
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Sooner the Government gives up these "emergency powers" the better. Starts feeling like rule by decree rather than democracy.
Hancock saying "but laws could be put in place to enforce the lockdown." is actually quite scary. | |
| ‘Where there is harmony, may we bring discord. Where there is truth, may we bring error. Where there is faith, may we bring doubt. And where there is hope, may we bring despair’ |
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| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 09:33 - Jul 1 with 2619 views | ROTTWEILERS |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 07:02 - Jul 1 by BringBackTheRedRoom |
Sooner the Government gives up these "emergency powers" the better. Starts feeling like rule by decree rather than democracy.
Hancock saying "but laws could be put in place to enforce the lockdown." is actually quite scary. |
Hancock is in his element hassling sunbathers and threatening to close beaches so I'm not holding my breath. Simon Dolan's judicial review tomorrow should be interesting. | |
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| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 13:00 - Jul 1 with 2611 views | Imperial |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 09:33 - Jul 1 by ROTTWEILERS |
Hancock is in his element hassling sunbathers and threatening to close beaches so I'm not holding my breath. Simon Dolan's judicial review tomorrow should be interesting. |
If the sunbathers had more respect for their surroundings I would be more inclined to agree with you Rotts. | | | |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 13:51 - Jul 1 with 2603 views | ROTTWEILERS |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 13:00 - Jul 1 by Imperial |
If the sunbathers had more respect for their surroundings I would be more inclined to agree with you Rotts. |
Imp. I was referring to the March/April inner city sunbathers minding their own business, very sensibly topping up their vitamin D. Even so, I do hope you aren't advocating further lockdown(s) because some people recently littered the beach? [Post edited 1 Jul 2020 13:58]
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| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 20:19 - Jul 3 with 2587 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 13:51 - Jul 1 by ROTTWEILERS |
Imp. I was referring to the March/April inner city sunbathers minding their own business, very sensibly topping up their vitamin D. Even so, I do hope you aren't advocating further lockdown(s) because some people recently littered the beach? [Post edited 1 Jul 2020 13:58]
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Legislation ensuring Leicester's local lockdown can be enforced by law has been rushed through Parliament.
The new regulations come into force on Saturday, as the rest of the country begins to see an easing of lockdown.
People or businesses that repeatedly flout the new law could receive fines of up to £3,200.
A ban on social gatherings, overnight stays, and the reopening of hotels, pubs and restaurants are all included in the new legislation.
Leicester became subject to the UK's first local lockdown on Monday following a spike in Covid-19 cases.
Police have said they are bracing themselves for a busy weekend as pubs stay closed in Leicester but reopen across the country, with more officers would be on duty than during a typical New Year's Eve.
Officers would be policing the stricter lockdown measures as well as overseeing the relaxation of rules outside of the restricted zone.
Hospital bosses in the city also said they were preparing for "typical behaviours of New Year's Eve".
The regulations for the city were passed as a new statutory instrument easing lockdown for the rest of the country came into force on Friday.
People in Leicester who live on their own, or single parents, can still form a social bubble with one other household, the legislation says.
Public gatherings are now banned and people in the restricted area can no longer visit people in private gardens, or indoors.
Fixed penalty notices can be issued to people who are seen breaking the lockdown rules.
Fines begin at £100, and increase on a sliding scale so a person found breaking the lockdown for a sixth time could be fined £3,200.
The same fines could be issued by police across England before the easing of lockdown.
Leicestershire Police said: "We will be directing people to follow the regulations and encouraging to them to follow the guidelines."
"We want people to stay at home in the protected area and if you are outside of this to be responsible and socialise safely."
Leicester City Council confirmed it had been informed of the legislation "shortly before its publication".
The regulations is due to be reviewed on 18 July.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53283967 | |
| ‘Where there is harmony, may we bring discord. Where there is truth, may we bring error. Where there is faith, may we bring doubt. And where there is hope, may we bring despair’ |
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| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 20:29 - Jul 3 with 2575 views | spudgun |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 20:19 - Jul 3 by BringBackTheRedRoom |
Legislation ensuring Leicester's local lockdown can be enforced by law has been rushed through Parliament.
The new regulations come into force on Saturday, as the rest of the country begins to see an easing of lockdown.
People or businesses that repeatedly flout the new law could receive fines of up to £3,200.
A ban on social gatherings, overnight stays, and the reopening of hotels, pubs and restaurants are all included in the new legislation.
Leicester became subject to the UK's first local lockdown on Monday following a spike in Covid-19 cases.
Police have said they are bracing themselves for a busy weekend as pubs stay closed in Leicester but reopen across the country, with more officers would be on duty than during a typical New Year's Eve.
Officers would be policing the stricter lockdown measures as well as overseeing the relaxation of rules outside of the restricted zone.
Hospital bosses in the city also said they were preparing for "typical behaviours of New Year's Eve".
The regulations for the city were passed as a new statutory instrument easing lockdown for the rest of the country came into force on Friday.
People in Leicester who live on their own, or single parents, can still form a social bubble with one other household, the legislation says.
Public gatherings are now banned and people in the restricted area can no longer visit people in private gardens, or indoors.
Fixed penalty notices can be issued to people who are seen breaking the lockdown rules.
Fines begin at £100, and increase on a sliding scale so a person found breaking the lockdown for a sixth time could be fined £3,200.
The same fines could be issued by police across England before the easing of lockdown.
Leicestershire Police said: "We will be directing people to follow the regulations and encouraging to them to follow the guidelines."
"We want people to stay at home in the protected area and if you are outside of this to be responsible and socialise safely."
Leicester City Council confirmed it had been informed of the legislation "shortly before its publication".
The regulations is due to be reviewed on 18 July.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53283967 |
Funny can`t remember Johnson mentioning this at the briefing tonight... | | | |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 21:25 - Jul 3 with 2571 views | ROTTWEILERS |
| Leicester - are they being treated fairly? on 20:29 - Jul 3 by spudgun |
Funny can`t remember Johnson mentioning this at the briefing tonight... |
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| ‘Where there is harmony, may we bring discord. Where there is truth, may we bring error. Where there is faith, may we bring doubt. And where there is hope, may we bring despair’ |
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