| BST: An idea on 20:13 - Dec 17 with 671 views | okeh_for_some |
Sounds good in principle but I can’t see the EFL accepting external arbitration and even if they agreed, outcomes are non-binding. |  | |  |
| BST: An idea on 20:23 - Dec 17 with 662 views | okeh_for_some |
I’d be more optimistic if it was the EFL accepting QPRs claim following arbitration. | | | |
| BST: An idea on 20:27 - Dec 17 with 659 views | ROTTWEILERS |
| BST: An idea on 20:13 - Dec 17 by okeh_for_some |
Sounds good in principle but I can’t see the EFL accepting external arbitration and even if they agreed, outcomes are non-binding. |
I think the company can provide binding arbitration but understand that the EFL are unlikely to go for it. Hence why we get the ODT independenly interpreted because so far it is our lay interpretation vs EFL's nonsense interpretation. Cranks the pressure up a bit and beats accepting the victim mentality that so many of our fans are happy to wallow in.
Anyway, it's just an idea. |  |
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| BST: An idea on 20:36 - Dec 17 with 653 views | spell_chekker |
| BST: An idea on 20:27 - Dec 17 by ROTTWEILERS |
I think the company can provide binding arbitration but understand that the EFL are unlikely to go for it. Hence why we get the ODT independenly interpreted because so far it is our lay interpretation vs EFL's nonsense interpretation. Cranks the pressure up a bit and beats accepting the victim mentality that so many of our fans are happy to wallow in.
Anyway, it's just an idea. |
An estimate of the cost would be need. |  |
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| BST: An idea on 20:56 - Dec 17 with 647 views | okeh_for_some |
| BST: An idea on 20:27 - Dec 17 by ROTTWEILERS |
I think the company can provide binding arbitration but understand that the EFL are unlikely to go for it. Hence why we get the ODT independenly interpreted because so far it is our lay interpretation vs EFL's nonsense interpretation. Cranks the pressure up a bit and beats accepting the victim mentality that so many of our fans are happy to wallow in.
Anyway, it's just an idea. |
If nothing else it would keep the fight in the news. | | | |
| BST: An idea on 08:31 - Dec 18 with 619 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
The whole Owners and Directors Test, needs testing in a court of law, to expose it for the farce that it is imho. |  |
| ‘Where there is harmony, may we bring discord. Where there is truth, may we bring error. Where there is faith, may we bring doubt. And where there is hope, may we bring despair’ |
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| BST: An idea on 08:40 - Dec 18 with 616 views | spell_chekker |
| BST: An idea on 08:31 - Dec 18 by BringBackTheRedRoom |
The whole Owners and Directors Test, needs testing in a court of law, to expose it for the farce that it is imho. |
Are we talking about banning Oyston or reinstating Belokon? [Post edited 18 Dec 2018 8:40]
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| BST: An idea on 12:00 - Dec 18 with 596 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
This could turn into a rant, I'll try and not let it.
First up, Val. For me it's up to Him to challenge the EFL, however I'd think getting his money off Owen is probably top of his to do list at the moment.
The EFL Owners and Directors Test. This test seems to be interpreted and applied as and when it suits an existing Member, not when it's a test that should be applied to all. Even when it could/should be used, they keep hiding behind to old excuse of "UK company laws take precedence, so we can't do anything" or "it's a private business" etc..... Grrrrr.
Don't know if anyone saw the report last week, that so far 80 coaches have been charged or/and found guilty of sexual assault since this whole shocking episode broke. However, we still have an owner who was convicted of rape allowed to own a football club. You couldn't make it up, or sorry the EFL, PL & FA did. | |
| ‘Where there is harmony, may we bring discord. Where there is truth, may we bring error. Where there is faith, may we bring doubt. And where there is hope, may we bring despair’ |
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| BST: An idea on 12:34 - Dec 18 with 594 views | spell_chekker |
| BST: An idea on 12:00 - Dec 18 by BringBackTheRedRoom |
This could turn into a rant, I'll try and not let it.
First up, Val. For me it's up to Him to challenge the EFL, however I'd think getting his money off Owen is probably top of his to do list at the moment.
The EFL Owners and Directors Test. This test seems to be interpreted and applied as and when it suits an existing Member, not when it's a test that should be applied to all. Even when it could/should be used, they keep hiding behind to old excuse of "UK company laws take precedence, so we can't do anything" or "it's a private business" etc..... Grrrrr.
Don't know if anyone saw the report last week, that so far 80 coaches have been charged or/and found guilty of sexual assault since this whole shocking episode broke. However, we still have an owner who was convicted of rape allowed to own a football club. You couldn't make it up, or sorry the EFL, PL & FA did. |
Regarding the ODL.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think what makes Oyston's case special is that his ownership of BFC preceeds his conviction. His ownership pre dates lots of things in the foortball world. The Prem, Sky TV, various restructuring initiatives
He'd probably get knocked back if he tried to buy a club for the first time today.
The EFL may consider themselves to be on shakey ground as they did nothing for years and years until it was higlighted in 2010/11 by Scudamore in the Prem.
In my opinion the EFL haven't got the bottle to take the case on, opening up all sorts of things for scrutiny, and find that sidestepping the issue is easier. | |
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| BST: An idea on 13:06 - Dec 18 with 589 views | ROTTWEILERS |
| BST: An idea on 12:00 - Dec 18 by BringBackTheRedRoom |
This could turn into a rant, I'll try and not let it.
First up, Val. For me it's up to Him to challenge the EFL, however I'd think getting his money off Owen is probably top of his to do list at the moment.
The EFL Owners and Directors Test. This test seems to be interpreted and applied as and when it suits an existing Member, not when it's a test that should be applied to all. Even when it could/should be used, they keep hiding behind to old excuse of "UK company laws take precedence, so we can't do anything" or "it's a private business" etc..... Grrrrr.
Don't know if anyone saw the report last week, that so far 80 coaches have been charged or/and found guilty of sexual assault since this whole shocking episode broke. However, we still have an owner who was convicted of rape allowed to own a football club. You couldn't make it up, or sorry the EFL, PL & FA did. |
RedRoom
We know the EFL make it up as they go along but getting that verified by an independent specialist agency cannot harm can it?
Both VB and OO fail the test, no questions. Only one has been banned. If Owen was to reoffend - facilitated in any way by his role at BFC, I genuinely think we'd be talking criminal charges of negligence against members of EFL. It's not as if the risks haven't been pointed out to them and another independent agency doing this also, can only serve to bolster what has already been communicated. | |
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| BST: An idea on 14:04 - Dec 18 with 583 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
| BST: An idea on 13:06 - Dec 18 by ROTTWEILERS |
RedRoom
We know the EFL make it up as they go along but getting that verified by an independent specialist agency cannot harm can it?
Both VB and OO fail the test, no questions. Only one has been banned. If Owen was to reoffend - facilitated in any way by his role at BFC, I genuinely think we'd be talking criminal charges of negligence against members of EFL. It's not as if the risks haven't been pointed out to them and another independent agency doing this also, can only serve to bolster what has already been communicated. |
ROTTS
Not arguing against what you suggest re independent assessment, but you know the EFL will produce their own "independent" report saying everything is OK, nothing to see here and lets move along.
What I'd like to see is every year when clubs get their "Golden Share" to allow teams to play in the Leagues, make them reapply their fit and (un)proper test.
However that would require an independent ruling body for the EFL. The clubs will never give up the power they have, and the government wont at this time legislate to force them. (I know, been told by an MP that "Government shouldn't/wont get involved in telling private businesses how to run themselves".)
In the end all we can do is chip away at it one brick at a time, until something moves, which it will, but I still think it's going to be a long time yet. | |
| ‘Where there is harmony, may we bring discord. Where there is truth, may we bring error. Where there is faith, may we bring doubt. And where there is hope, may we bring despair’ |
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| BST: An idea on 15:23 - Dec 18 with 571 views | ROTTWEILERS |
| BST: An idea on 14:04 - Dec 18 by BringBackTheRedRoom |
ROTTS
Not arguing against what you suggest re independent assessment, but you know the EFL will produce their own "independent" report saying everything is OK, nothing to see here and lets move along.
What I'd like to see is every year when clubs get their "Golden Share" to allow teams to play in the Leagues, make them reapply their fit and (un)proper test.
However that would require an independent ruling body for the EFL. The clubs will never give up the power they have, and the government wont at this time legislate to force them. (I know, been told by an MP that "Government shouldn't/wont get involved in telling private businesses how to run themselves".)
In the end all we can do is chip away at it one brick at a time, until something moves, which it will, but I still think it's going to be a long time yet. |
"Although the Committee's recommendations have been backed by successive Sports Ministers and progress has been promised by the FA, in practice very little has changed: the governance of football is cumbersome, and power lies with the clubs, especially in the Premier League. Real reform in relation to the ownership of
clubs, transfers of players, the influence of fans, the role of agents and investment in the grassroots-amongst other issues-has stalled".
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CDP-2017-0046/CDP-2017-00 | |
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