| Benny is back!! 22:19 - Sep 16 with 11545 views | Lblock |
You apologists and happy clappers can do one
The man is clueless or stubborn
I'll add to this when I've calmed down but if you saw anything positive in his selection, tactics or change tonight I'd love to hear from you (Antti)
My view would be the same even if we'd sneaked a late winner
4-2-3-1 at home time after time after time after time is an insult
Goodnght
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| Benny is back!! on 12:51 - Sep 17 with 1563 views | R_from_afar |
| Benny is back!! on 11:15 - Sep 17 by ozexile |
I may be on my own here and I didn't see the game but having watched us for over 35 years I can guess the type of performance it was. I believe that the 4-3-2-1 if played correctly can be very attacking. I also think we certainly have the attacking players to make it work. But those same players have to take responsibility for it to work. Ramsay can only send them out there with a plan its up to them to execute it. |
Great point. It's not just down to Ramsey, the players need to deliver. Imagine if the whole team put in Mackie levels of effort... Phew, we would do some damage.
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| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Benny is back!! on 12:56 - Sep 17 with 1554 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Benny is back!! on 12:50 - Sep 17 by PinnerPaul |
That is the classic anti manager argument
Bad perf = manager's fault
Good perf = players get the credit
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I thought he is a coach
Anti bad Manager/coach YEP |  |
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| Benny is back!! on 13:08 - Sep 17 with 1519 views | DeepcutHoop |
*Checks league table*
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| Benny is back!! on 13:16 - Sep 17 with 1496 views | paulparker |
| Benny is back!! on 12:44 - Sep 17 by PinnerPaul |
Its not a poor argument
W3 D2 L2 are not sacking stats, if they were we, and most other teams. would have new managers every 2 months.
Absurd we have this after EVERY match we don't win - pointless. |
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| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Benny is back!! on 13:33 - Sep 17 with 1464 views | paulparker |
| Benny is back!! on 12:44 - Sep 17 by PinnerPaul |
Its not a poor argument
W3 D2 L2 are not sacking stats, if they were we, and most other teams. would have new managers every 2 months.
Absurd we have this after EVERY match we don't win - pointless. |
You wont have it will you Pinner
you backed Arry to the end (only to then s lagg him off when he left) and you were probabley the same with Hughes
i get it your Mr QPR who wont have anything bad to say about anyone at the club and you wear QPR rose tinted specs , fair enough
im judging from what ive seen since Febuary , Ramsey has had Arrys team and now his own , he has had probabley the second highest budget in the league, this is now his team , so no excusues , but lets break it down to this year as we who have a go are only allowed to judge from this year , so
We have conceded 2 goals every home game , we continue to isolate our star player
we cannot defend and nor do we look like keeping clean sheets, there is no plan B,
choice of subs is shocking, taking his best 2 players off in 3 home games now,
being outwitted by dougie freedman, our play is pedestrian , he cannot or will not change systems, the constant picking of Henry , being dumped out of the league cup by a struggling div 2 team
these are all valid points, its not absurd that we have debates, the man isnt good enough to manage QPR pure & simple,
i get we need change, i get we need to start again but it doesnt mean we have to settle for 10th best in Ramsey who is bang out of his depth | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Benny is back!! on 13:42 - Sep 17 with 1446 views | ellersliehoop |
| Benny is back!! on 12:51 - Sep 17 by R_from_afar |
Great point. It's not just down to Ramsey, the players need to deliver. Imagine if the whole team put in Mackie levels of effort... Phew, we would do some damage.
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Lets assume it's the players............
So why then if the players aren't performing not make some substitutions? He waits far too long, and then makes the wrong decisions
Replacing Lluongo on Saturday was ridiculous, then when we had to chase the game we were missing arguably our best player | | | |
| Benny is back!! on 14:22 - Sep 17 with 1399 views | PinnerPaul |
| Benny is back!! on 13:33 - Sep 17 by paulparker |
You wont have it will you Pinner
you backed Arry to the end (only to then s lagg him off when he left) and you were probabley the same with Hughes
i get it your Mr QPR who wont have anything bad to say about anyone at the club and you wear QPR rose tinted specs , fair enough
im judging from what ive seen since Febuary , Ramsey has had Arrys team and now his own , he has had probabley the second highest budget in the league, this is now his team , so no excusues , but lets break it down to this year as we who have a go are only allowed to judge from this year , so
We have conceded 2 goals every home game , we continue to isolate our star player
we cannot defend and nor do we look like keeping clean sheets, there is no plan B,
choice of subs is shocking, taking his best 2 players off in 3 home games now,
being outwitted by dougie freedman, our play is pedestrian , he cannot or will not change systems, the constant picking of Henry , being dumped out of the league cup by a struggling div 2 team
these are all valid points, its not absurd that we have debates, the man isnt good enough to manage QPR pure & simple,
i get we need change, i get we need to start again but it doesnt mean we have to settle for 10th best in Ramsey who is bang out of his depth |
and the changing managers has got us where exactly?
I've said this before and will say again, do you not think players have to take ANY responsibility?
Lots on here will praise players when we do well and blame manager when we don't - you don't concede that is a little one eyed?
I also get that people unhappy when we lose but it wouldn't matter who manager was, if he lost more than a couple you would get people on here asking for (another) change.
Everything would be rosy without Hughes & then it was just get rid of Redknapp we'll be fine, now its get rid of Ramsey and we'll walk the league. | | | |
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| Benny is back!! on 14:29 - Sep 17 with 1387 views | LadbrokeR |
| Benny is back!! on 12:51 - Sep 17 by R_from_afar |
Great point. It's not just down to Ramsey, the players need to deliver. Imagine if the whole team put in Mackie levels of effort... Phew, we would do some damage.
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This all a bit chicken and egg. It's the mangers job to make the players play. Infact one of Mourinhos greatest traits is his ability to motivate millionaires. I really want Ramsay to suceed but watching Henry and Tozer attempting to marshall a back four at home is it really necessary aside from the fact that it's not working. The point i'm making is that the decision to play this way is the managers. Ok 4231 has the potential to be attacking but on available evidence it isn't for us. I agree the players need to step up and when they came out at half time they looked like they had stepped up a gear. That said this system doesn't work at home. That was Blacburn who i believe haven't won a game. | | | |
| Benny is back!! on 14:35 - Sep 17 with 1374 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Benny is back!! on 14:22 - Sep 17 by PinnerPaul |
and the changing managers has got us where exactly?
I've said this before and will say again, do you not think players have to take ANY responsibility?
Lots on here will praise players when we do well and blame manager when we don't - you don't concede that is a little one eyed?
I also get that people unhappy when we lose but it wouldn't matter who manager was, if he lost more than a couple you would get people on here asking for (another) change.
Everything would be rosy without Hughes & then it was just get rid of Redknapp we'll be fine, now its get rid of Ramsey and we'll walk the league. |
But it was not get rid of Redknapp and get CR was it
Many never wanted CR, it's not kneejerk he is just not rated since he came. | |
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| Benny is back!! on 14:37 - Sep 17 with 1370 views | paulparker |
| Benny is back!! on 14:22 - Sep 17 by PinnerPaul |
and the changing managers has got us where exactly?
I've said this before and will say again, do you not think players have to take ANY responsibility?
Lots on here will praise players when we do well and blame manager when we don't - you don't concede that is a little one eyed?
I also get that people unhappy when we lose but it wouldn't matter who manager was, if he lost more than a couple you would get people on here asking for (another) change.
Everything would be rosy without Hughes & then it was just get rid of Redknapp we'll be fine, now its get rid of Ramsey and we'll walk the league. |
And appointing crap managers has also got us where exactly ?
so why didnt we go through an interview process , that way maybe then we could have got a bloke in who knows what he is doing , we didnt and went with mr cheap
a real waste considering some of the managers who may have been avaliable
you can play well and lose , thats fine , you have the odd blip or 3 during the season thats fine but Ramsey has had since Feb now to sort out at least the back four into a unit , he has failed miserabley at that, when do the excuses stop ?? its his team now ,
we shouldnt walk this league no one has any right to do that, but he has probabley the best squad we have ever had at championship level and is making a dogs dinner of it
as for players taking responsibility read the reply i gave ozexcile | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Benny is back!! on 15:01 - Sep 17 with 1325 views | adhoc_qpr |
Ultimately, at the moment we're 8th in the table, with 11 points from 7 games which is OK for a recently relegated and rebuilt team.
I personally think the cracks and Ramsey's limitations are starting to show, but if he can sort his team odd team selections and in game tactics out we have ample quality to push for promotion. | | | |
| Benny is back!! on 15:58 - Sep 17 with 1272 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Benny is back!! on 14:37 - Sep 17 by paulparker |
And appointing crap managers has also got us where exactly ?
so why didnt we go through an interview process , that way maybe then we could have got a bloke in who knows what he is doing , we didnt and went with mr cheap
a real waste considering some of the managers who may have been avaliable
you can play well and lose , thats fine , you have the odd blip or 3 during the season thats fine but Ramsey has had since Feb now to sort out at least the back four into a unit , he has failed miserabley at that, when do the excuses stop ?? its his team now ,
we shouldnt walk this league no one has any right to do that, but he has probabley the best squad we have ever had at championship level and is making a dogs dinner of it
as for players taking responsibility read the reply i gave ozexcile |
we interviewed Sherwood. He didn't want it.
Still, he's doing a CRACKING job at Villa, ain't he?
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| Benny is back!! on 16:19 - Sep 17 with 1257 views | TheBlob |
| Benny is back!! on 15:58 - Sep 17 by Antti_Heinola |
we interviewed Sherwood. He didn't want it.
Still, he's doing a CRACKING job at Villa, ain't he?
Wasn't he your pick? |
Villa are doing better than Chelsea. |  |
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| Benny is back!! on 18:12 - Sep 17 with 1203 views | PinnerPaul |
| Benny is back!! on 14:37 - Sep 17 by paulparker |
And appointing crap managers has also got us where exactly ?
so why didnt we go through an interview process , that way maybe then we could have got a bloke in who knows what he is doing , we didnt and went with mr cheap
a real waste considering some of the managers who may have been avaliable
you can play well and lose , thats fine , you have the odd blip or 3 during the season thats fine but Ramsey has had since Feb now to sort out at least the back four into a unit , he has failed miserabley at that, when do the excuses stop ?? its his team now ,
we shouldnt walk this league no one has any right to do that, but he has probabley the best squad we have ever had at championship level and is making a dogs dinner of it
as for players taking responsibility read the reply i gave ozexcile |
Its all opinions isn't it,
Just think Pld 7 lost 2 is a strange time to sack anyone! | | | |
| Benny is back!! on 18:13 - Sep 17 with 1201 views | PinnerPaul |
| Benny is back!! on 11:21 - Sep 17 by DejR_vu |
The recent performances, first half in particular, suggest either:
1) They don't know what they are supposed to be doing;
2) They don't believe in what they are being asked to do;
3) They're not motivated.
All roads lead to CR. |
and the 2nd half improvements after CR half time talk is down to.................? | | | |
| Benny is back!! on 18:14 - Sep 17 with 1199 views | PinnerPaul |
| Benny is back!! on 11:19 - Sep 17 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Not on your own mate. There is at least two of us. |
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| Benny is back!! on 18:16 - Sep 17 with 1196 views | R_from_afar |
| Benny is back!! on 13:42 - Sep 17 by ellersliehoop |
Lets assume it's the players............
So why then if the players aren't performing not make some substitutions? He waits far too long, and then makes the wrong decisions
Replacing Lluongo on Saturday was ridiculous, then when we had to chase the game we were missing arguably our best player |
I can't argue with you re. Lluongo, that does seem bizarre...
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| Benny is back!! on 18:17 - Sep 17 with 1195 views | PinnerPaul |
| Benny is back!! on 16:19 - Sep 17 by TheBlob |
Villa are doing better than Chelsea. |
So are 16 other managers at the moment!
SOMETHING we can ALL be pleased about!    | | | |
| Benny is back!! on 18:19 - Sep 17 with 1190 views | GetMeRangers |
| Benny is back!! on 18:13 - Sep 17 by PinnerPaul |
and the 2nd half improvements after CR half time talk is down to.................? |
Down to a nice cup of tea and catching up with the Great British Bake off... obviously |  | | |
| Benny is back!! on 18:22 - Sep 17 with 1188 views | R_from_afar |
| Benny is back!! on 14:29 - Sep 17 by LadbrokeR |
This all a bit chicken and egg. It's the mangers job to make the players play. Infact one of Mourinhos greatest traits is his ability to motivate millionaires. I really want Ramsay to suceed but watching Henry and Tozer attempting to marshall a back four at home is it really necessary aside from the fact that it's not working. The point i'm making is that the decision to play this way is the managers. Ok 4231 has the potential to be attacking but on available evidence it isn't for us. I agree the players need to step up and when they came out at half time they looked like they had stepped up a gear. That said this system doesn't work at home. That was Blacburn who i believe haven't won a game. |
OK granted, the manager has a role to play in terms of motivating the players but surely they can also motivate themselves a bit? You know, take some pride in their work. I'm making a general point here by the way.
It's not like they're being asked to go down a mine or something...
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| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Benny is back!! on 18:25 - Sep 17 with 1186 views | R_from_afar |
| Benny is back!! on 15:01 - Sep 17 by adhoc_qpr |
Ultimately, at the moment we're 8th in the table, with 11 points from 7 games which is OK for a recently relegated and rebuilt team.
I personally think the cracks and Ramsey's limitations are starting to show, but if he can sort his team odd team selections and in game tactics out we have ample quality to push for promotion. |
You are this week's star baker! Nice balanced view there. Respect.
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| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Benny is back!! on 18:27 - Sep 17 with 1184 views | R_from_afar |
| Benny is back!! on 16:19 - Sep 17 by TheBlob |
Villa are doing better than Chelsea. |
Get back to me on that when the crocuses are coming up, Blob
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| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Benny is back!! on 18:44 - Sep 17 with 1170 views | PinnerPaul |
| Benny is back!! on 18:27 - Sep 17 by R_from_afar |
Get back to me on that when the crocuses are coming up, Blob
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Yes agree but we can enjoy it while it lasts! | | | |
| Benny is back!! on 19:21 - Sep 17 with 1147 views | paulparker |
| Benny is back!! on 15:58 - Sep 17 by Antti_Heinola |
we interviewed Sherwood. He didn't want it.
Still, he's doing a CRACKING job at Villa, ain't he?
Wasn't he your pick? |
ha ha ha no he wasn't my pick , oh dear not another knee jerk
Oh and if you read my previous posts you will know who I wanted
But going back to sherwood are you telling me keeping a team up and getting to a an FA cup final is not doing a good job ?? | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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