| Bridge to Reading apparently... 23:45 - Jun 6 with 6491 views | Brightonhoop |
...no message. Apart from fark orf 'arry come home Warnock. |  | | |  |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 08:25 - Jun 7 with 1291 views | adhoc_qpr |
From reading the Daily Mirror story, it seems like Bridge doesn't fit into our newly agreed wage structure and required a high agent fee - so Beard vetoed it.
Seems fair enough to me and a bit of common sense finally. What's the point in putting a structure in place only to break it immediately because the Manager throws his toys out of the pram?
I don't think Bridge would have been a bad signing, but i think there are plenty of players who can do just as good a job around.
If worst comes to worst, we have Traore, Ehmer, Hill and Suk-Young on our books already - not ideal but we've had worse... |  | | |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 08:33 - Jun 7 with 1274 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Don't know the details, obviously, but if this is a sign that we have a new rigid transfer and wage plan in place and that the board are sticking to it, then that's good news as far as I'm concerned. |  |
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| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 09:04 - Jun 7 with 1220 views | Pommyhoop |
Not signing another 32 year old on big wages and a possibility of H walking out in a huff ,negating a pay off.
FCUKING HAPPY DAYS in my book. |  |
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| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 09:12 - Jun 7 with 1209 views | MelakaRanger |
I like Harry and I would like him to stay
But like any 'manager' in any business he has got to work within the financial constraints that are laid down by the board of directors/CEO
If he is not prepared to do that in return for his £3 million a year then sorry mate but bugger off.
He's being paid a lot of money to 'manage'. Either he is up to the job or hes not.
If its comes to a Harry Vs Tony situation, then Tony wins every which way.
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| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 09:21 - Jun 7 with 1187 views | Hunterhoop |
Melaka, Pommy, Brian, adhoc...exactly.
My "27" yrs thing was arbitrary...but I wan making the point that you need to have clear parameters around who you're signing from the long term financial stability of the club. And I was talking about signings....not the squad. We've already got enough old boys in my book. |  | | |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 09:40 - Jun 7 with 1145 views | bob566 |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 00:32 - Jun 7 by deForrester |
Seen Bridge 5/6 times this season for Brighton. Solid, good going forward. Maximum two year deal, not astronomical wages, we'd be silly not to go for him. Championship team of the year.
We got promoted with Clint Hill at left back.
Laughing cow's my favourite.
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more importantly "laughing cow" isn't that some sort of kids processed cheese? | | | |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 09:46 - Jun 7 with 1129 views | wombat |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 09:40 - Jun 7 by bob566 |
more importantly "laughing cow" isn't that some sort of kids processed cheese? |
does that actually count as cheese ?
sorry think its times for tony to say to harry this is how are doing this are you staying yes or no answer by 5.30pm monday night please |  |
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| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 09:46 - Jun 7 with 1129 views | imustbemad |
is the 80K per week rumour true? If it is then fanfcukingtastic decision by the club. |  | | |
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| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 10:21 - Jun 7 with 1060 views | Stanisgod |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 07:39 - Jun 7 by Gloucs_R |
They won't pay him off, they will let him walk. To be honest I'm sick of Harry now. Always moaning, negative comments, etc but you don't hear Adkins doing the same. |
Probably because Adkins has inherited a ready made promotion pushing team which needs a little tinkering not a mass overhaul !! |  |
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| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 10:24 - Jun 7 with 1054 views | Jamie |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 10:21 - Jun 7 by Stanisgod |
Probably because Adkins has inherited a ready made promotion pushing team which needs a little tinkering not a mass overhaul !! |
Redknapp knew which players we had when he joined and knew if we went down what would need to happen. | | | |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 10:27 - Jun 7 with 1048 views | Gloucs_R |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 10:21 - Jun 7 by Stanisgod |
Probably because Adkins has inherited a ready made promotion pushing team which needs a little tinkering not a mass overhaul !! |
I still think we have a decent squad but Harry cant get the best out of them. Some need to be moved on but we have a team capable of challenging in the Champs. next season.
Green
Harriman / Onouha / Hill / Suk Young
Diakite / Faurlin / Jenas
Mackie / Zamora / AJ
With Ben Haim, Ferdinand, Bothroyd, Derry, SWP, Park and Murphy on the bench. Yes, two young full backs but we dont know what they can do with some coaching and actually playing every week. |  |
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| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 10:41 - Jun 7 with 1018 views | Pommyhoop |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 10:27 - Jun 7 by Gloucs_R |
I still think we have a decent squad but Harry cant get the best out of them. Some need to be moved on but we have a team capable of challenging in the Champs. next season.
Green
Harriman / Onouha / Hill / Suk Young
Diakite / Faurlin / Jenas
Mackie / Zamora / AJ
With Ben Haim, Ferdinand, Bothroyd, Derry, SWP, Park and Murphy on the bench. Yes, two young full backs but we dont know what they can do with some coaching and actually playing every week. |
H cant motivate himself let alone a promotion team.
I want him gone now .Not just before Xmas when we are 17th or nearabouts.
Honestly .He dont give a toss about us and he's too old and too tired to motivate.He will always go for players he knows because he hasnt got the energy or time to deal with players he dont | |
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| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 11:09 - Jun 7 with 972 views | rsonist |
Do people really think Bridge is on massive money at Reading? Pogrebnyak aside they were paying peanuts in the Premiership so why would they be lashing out now? |  | | |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 11:13 - Jun 7 with 965 views | Gloucs_R |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 11:09 - Jun 7 by rsonist |
Do people really think Bridge is on massive money at Reading? Pogrebnyak aside they were paying peanuts in the Premiership so why would they be lashing out now? |
Doesnt matter how much he is on or how much his agent wanted.....we shouldn't be signing players without getting rid of some first. If Harry doesnt like that then he can walk and whistle. You dont buy a new house without selling your current one....unless you have more money than sense or will happily live in debt. | |
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| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 11:14 - Jun 7 with 909 views | RANGERS4EVER |
Well i reckon Harry will be gone soon then |  |
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| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 11:27 - Jun 7 with 894 views | ozexile |
So glad we didn't sign him. Do we not gave scouts anywhere? | | | |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 11:30 - Jun 7 with 884 views | DieByYourSide |
Just go Harry. We're in enough shit without you walking out halfway through July | |
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| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 11:37 - Jun 7 with 859 views | QPR1882 |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 10:27 - Jun 7 by Gloucs_R |
I still think we have a decent squad but Harry cant get the best out of them. Some need to be moved on but we have a team capable of challenging in the Champs. next season.
Green
Harriman / Onouha / Hill / Suk Young
Diakite / Faurlin / Jenas
Mackie / Zamora / AJ
With Ben Haim, Ferdinand, Bothroyd, Derry, SWP, Park and Murphy on the bench. Yes, two young full backs but we dont know what they can do with some coaching and actually playing every week. |
What about Remy ?
Innocent until proven guilty for his allergy assault etc etc, fact he is on bail until Sept means no one will touch him until the Jan window at least. |  | | |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 11:48 - Jun 7 with 835 views | derbyhoop |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 08:25 - Jun 7 by adhoc_qpr |
From reading the Daily Mirror story, it seems like Bridge doesn't fit into our newly agreed wage structure and required a high agent fee - so Beard vetoed it.
Seems fair enough to me and a bit of common sense finally. What's the point in putting a structure in place only to break it immediately because the Manager throws his toys out of the pram?
I don't think Bridge would have been a bad signing, but i think there are plenty of players who can do just as good a job around.
If worst comes to worst, we have Traore, Ehmer, Hill and Suk-Young on our books already - not ideal but we've had worse... |
Similato my thoughts.
The club have put in place some guidelines which will mean less reliance on older players, a proper wage structure, and a desire to stop paying vast sums to agents.
Phil Beard is the CEO and part of his job is to enforce that strategy.
Harry can throw his toys out of the pram all he likes but, if that's the Board's strategy, you have to manage within the constraints set.
So we've missed out on Bridge. Big deal. If Traore stays and Yun is good enough to play for one of the top 30 nations in the world, have we not got enough left backs. We've certainly got enough 30+ year olds with little or no resale value.
1. Is anybody saying the new strategy is seriously flawed?
2. Is anybody questioning Beard's right to ensure the strategy is followed?
3. Does anybody think that in a power struggle between manager and board, the manager should win?
4. Is the Ukraine job still available? |  |
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| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 12:00 - Jun 7 with 806 views | Pommyhoop |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 11:48 - Jun 7 by derbyhoop |
Similato my thoughts.
The club have put in place some guidelines which will mean less reliance on older players, a proper wage structure, and a desire to stop paying vast sums to agents.
Phil Beard is the CEO and part of his job is to enforce that strategy.
Harry can throw his toys out of the pram all he likes but, if that's the Board's strategy, you have to manage within the constraints set.
So we've missed out on Bridge. Big deal. If Traore stays and Yun is good enough to play for one of the top 30 nations in the world, have we not got enough left backs. We've certainly got enough 30+ year olds with little or no resale value.
1. Is anybody saying the new strategy is seriously flawed?
2. Is anybody questioning Beard's right to ensure the strategy is followed?
3. Does anybody think that in a power struggle between manager and board, the manager should win?
4. Is the Ukraine job still available? |
Nope.
Nope.Unless someone can unearth one of these 'football men'.
Nope.
I fcuking hope so!
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| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 12:30 - Jun 7 with 774 views | YorkRanger |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 11:48 - Jun 7 by derbyhoop |
Similato my thoughts.
The club have put in place some guidelines which will mean less reliance on older players, a proper wage structure, and a desire to stop paying vast sums to agents.
Phil Beard is the CEO and part of his job is to enforce that strategy.
Harry can throw his toys out of the pram all he likes but, if that's the Board's strategy, you have to manage within the constraints set.
So we've missed out on Bridge. Big deal. If Traore stays and Yun is good enough to play for one of the top 30 nations in the world, have we not got enough left backs. We've certainly got enough 30+ year olds with little or no resale value.
1. Is anybody saying the new strategy is seriously flawed?
2. Is anybody questioning Beard's right to ensure the strategy is followed?
3. Does anybody think that in a power struggle between manager and board, the manager should win?
4. Is the Ukraine job still available? |
+ 1.
I think Bridge would have been a good signing, however if we have not signed him due to policies now in place in relation to age, wages, agents fees (or whatever else) then so be it.
We have made so many mistakes in the transfer market, that to breach policy as soon as it made would be folly.
That said it will be interesting if Redknapp has a vision of building a team of the right characters around that Centre midfielder a la Nolan/Parker and that person is also outside of the new policy
I fear it will end in tears |  | | |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 12:34 - Jun 7 with 758 views | rsonist |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 11:13 - Jun 7 by Gloucs_R |
Doesnt matter how much he is on or how much his agent wanted.....we shouldn't be signing players without getting rid of some first. If Harry doesnt like that then he can walk and whistle. You dont buy a new house without selling your current one....unless you have more money than sense or will happily live in debt. |
The club is fully bankrolled by rich men,it does not and will not wash its own face for years to come if ever. As TF and co do have the money it therefore makes best business sense to build a competitive side for the Championship as soon as possible while the better players are available early.
There is no guarantee we can rid ourselves of the players we don't want. Even if we do I wouldn't be surprised if they turn out to be deadline day punts from clubs who have no other option. Where does that leave us in the meantime? Opening the Champioship season with a stagnant, broken side of whatever's left plus whoever we might have bought that was available last minute. And all for what? Point of principle while the money was always there? Bridge was the best left back in the league, an experienced player on a free transfer for a one year deal, probably wanting 15-20k max. Not unreasonable at all.
Essentially you are advocating the club lets the players who fvcked us over last season do so again, this time off the pitch. | | | |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 12:46 - Jun 7 with 748 views | Jamie |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 12:34 - Jun 7 by rsonist |
The club is fully bankrolled by rich men,it does not and will not wash its own face for years to come if ever. As TF and co do have the money it therefore makes best business sense to build a competitive side for the Championship as soon as possible while the better players are available early.
There is no guarantee we can rid ourselves of the players we don't want. Even if we do I wouldn't be surprised if they turn out to be deadline day punts from clubs who have no other option. Where does that leave us in the meantime? Opening the Champioship season with a stagnant, broken side of whatever's left plus whoever we might have bought that was available last minute. And all for what? Point of principle while the money was always there? Bridge was the best left back in the league, an experienced player on a free transfer for a one year deal, probably wanting 15-20k max. Not unreasonable at all.
Essentially you are advocating the club lets the players who fvcked us over last season do so again, this time off the pitch. |
From what has been reported and TFs interview on SSN, I can't believe its a case of no-one in until some go out. If HR put a deal for Dwight Gayle for example infront of TF on sensible money I'm sure it would be signed off. If he wants an aging third LB on big money though, he needs to move an aging player on big money on first.
Seems fair enough to me. | | | |
| Bridge to Reading apparently... on 13:00 - Jun 7 with 726 views | ingeminate |
If we have a squad all pulling together in the same direction, determined to get us promoted it doesn't really matter much whether they are 18 or 32 , on 3k or 45k.
If as a manager you back yourself to install this type of mind-set then inevitably this is what you want - the flexibility to pick from a greater pool, focussing on ability and attitude.
Trouble is pretty much all managers back themselves.
So what does Tony do? Hope that his intuition improves so he is able to pick a manager who can do this.
Or does he decide that an overall footballing strategy is more important. That success is more likely to come by putting down a blueprint - potentially along the lines of the one that Hunter outlines - and broadly speaking sticking to it.
For this to be effective you really need to have a manager who happens to believe this is most effective way of building success - e.g a Wenger. Or a manager who sees managing QPR as such a great opportunity they are prepared to takes the rough the smooth in order to grab the opportunity and just get board.
Well at least that would be the case if we started with a blank slate.
As it happens we already have a load of players on lengthy contracts who we may not be able to off-load. Harry who is meant to be a people motivating players’ manager type has thrown his hands up the air and said he can't do anything with this mob.
If we bring in a load of young hungry players in to this environment a huge risk is that they will be negatively influenced by ‘been there won the European cup’ type big names who can't be bothered with QPR, but like the weekly wage.
This brings us full 360 back to Harry - it may be he thinks the first step in sorting this out is building a group of senior pro's with the right attitude and also the ability to a)get in the team and b) get us promoted and that only after you've got that nucleus can you then bring in younger players.
None of this is straightforward and in terms of managing change successfully here there are loads more factors not even touched on — suppose only thing it makes me think is that whatever Tony does he is going to get some flack, but worth understanding that this is complex, there is no neat and easy fix — certainly not in the short term — and regardless of whether he is a football man or not most chairmen would struggle to know what to do here.
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