| Clear divide tonight 19:48 - Jan 2 with 6449 views | kingo |
Those who went to the match and are very angry with what we saw from the officials and the living god Lamberts yellow marvels.
And those who didn't and just want to sack Warnock and hand Barton.
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| Clear divide tonight on 14:54 - Jan 3 with 756 views | hoopstilidie |
| Clear divide tonight on 14:53 - Jan 3 by TW_R |
Other than the fact that pretty much all your transfer numbers are wrong -
Benni McCarthy - £2 million
David Bentley - £500,000
Stephen Warnock - £1.5 million
Roque Santa Cruz - £3.5 million
Christopher Samba - £400,000
Not sure how you can "buy" someone on a "free"
You also seem to have conveniently forgotten his Man City signings
Jo - £18 million
Tal Ben Haim - £5 million
Vincent Kompany - £6 million
Shaun Wright-Phillips - £8.5 million
Pablo Zabaleta - £6.5 million
Robinho - £32.5m
Wayne Bridge - £10 million
Craig Bellamy - £14 million
Shay Given - £7 million
Nigel de Jong - £18 million
Gareth Barry - £12 million
Roque Santa Cruz - £17.5 million
Carlos Tévez - never been confirmed but around £30 million, but could have been more
Emmanuel Adebayor - £25 million
Kolo Touré - £16 million
Joleon Lescott - £22 million
Man City only won 2 of their last 11 matches with Hughes in charge. Don't want to be rude, but if you think getting 2 wins in 11 games from a team that cost £230 million is a good record then the only idiot on here is you!
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| Clear divide tonight on 14:58 - Jan 3 with 750 views | hoopstilidie |
| Clear divide tonight on 14:53 - Jan 3 by WestbourneR |
You're total mumbojumbo response aside hoolstillIdie - who has the better record Warnock or Hughes? Let's deal in fact.
Assuming you're not planning for us to need to get promoted from League One that is.
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"Ok so who has the better record - Hughes or Warnock based on FACT?
And people saying Hughes have never won anything are again, very very dim and missing the point. What he won was top half finishes on a very small budget. What has Warnock won? Warnock got relegated at Notts County, "
That was your post and question. I answered it. You`ve decided to move the goalposts twice now as to what constitutes a "better record". Are there a 3rd kind of "facts" I`ll need to deal in? If so, what are the parameters? Just checking like. | |
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| Clear divide tonight on 14:58 - Jan 3 with 750 views | WestbourneR |
Ok TW_R so I got a couple out by about 500k max. Hardly the point is it? They're still a raft of great signings for knock down fees.
We want Samba and would pay a lot for him. Hughes got him when he was an unknown for 400k.
And actually if you look at the Man City buys a lot of them are still part of their team and good value.
And AGAIN we don't need a manager who can spend £200 million and try and win the league. Maybe that was a job too far for Hughes but Fulham and Blackburn weren't - and they were similar jobs to the one we need.
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| Clear divide tonight on 15:03 - Jan 3 with 745 views | WestbourneR |
Sorry hoopstillidie I didn't think we were comparing league football medals as we're in the Premiership now. Do you want us to go down and win lots more Championship medals with Warnock?
So if you want to be pedantic (and buy time while you totally fail to come up with anything useful to add) who has the better relevant record?
Despite your strange smugness about facts the facts prove Hughes has a far better record. | |
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| Clear divide tonight on 15:08 - Jan 3 with 733 views | hoopstilidie |
| Clear divide tonight on 15:03 - Jan 3 by WestbourneR |
Sorry hoopstillidie I didn't think we were comparing league football medals as we're in the Premiership now. Do you want us to go down and win lots more Championship medals with Warnock?
So if you want to be pedantic (and buy time while you totally fail to come up with anything useful to add) who has the better relevant record?
Despite your strange smugness about facts the facts prove Hughes has a far better record. |
No your opinion says that Hughes is better, I don`t agree, if anything I`d say they are much of a muchness.
You asked what Warnock had won, I told you. You said he got relegated with Notts County I told you he had back to back promotions with them.
Your parameters not mine.
Now we can only use Premiership records cos that is where we are. In that case then they have both won the square route of sod all, only Hughes has had a lot more seasons at the top level than warnock in which to not win a damn thing.
Hard to have a debate/discussion with someone when they constantly change what is allowable when the answers don`t suit them.
That would be you being pedantic and not me.
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| Clear divide tonight on 15:14 - Jan 3 with 716 views | WestbourneR |
Record doesn't only mean 'what you have won' so you are being pedantic. Does our next manager really have to won something in the Prem? Come on! How many of them are there? It's a ridiculous criteria to add.
Hughes a good record of doing well on tight budgets in this division. Is that or is that not true?
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| Clear divide tonight on 15:17 - Jan 3 with 709 views | hoopstilidie |
| Clear divide tonight on 15:14 - Jan 3 by WestbourneR |
Record doesn't only mean 'what you have won' so you are being pedantic. Does our next manager really have to won something in the Prem? Come on! How many of them are there? It's a ridiculous criteria to add.
Hughes a good record of doing well on tight budgets in this division. Is that or is that not true?
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It was you that mentioned what Warnock had or hadn`t won, it was your question to me, I merely answered it.
Far from having a good record of doing well on tight budgets I think Hughes has done very little with some pretty hefty budgets. | |
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| Clear divide tonight on 15:20 - Jan 3 with 699 views | TW_R |
| Clear divide tonight on 14:58 - Jan 3 by WestbourneR |
Ok TW_R so I got a couple out by about 500k max. Hardly the point is it? They're still a raft of great signings for knock down fees.
We want Samba and would pay a lot for him. Hughes got him when he was an unknown for 400k.
And actually if you look at the Man City buys a lot of them are still part of their team and good value.
And AGAIN we don't need a manager who can spend £200 million and try and win the league. Maybe that was a job too far for Hughes but Fulham and Blackburn weren't - and they were similar jobs to the one we need.
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But I don't get your point. Hughes spent £7.5 million, which was a decent amount of money then and probably more than NW has spent. We're half way through the season and you're trying to make a comparison that is not comparable.
Hughes came into an established Premier league club with a number of decent Premier league players such as Tugay, Bellamy, Lucas Neill, Brett Emerton, Shefki Kuqi etc and then brought in a few player to supplement what was already there.
NW has built a team that looked like it was heading to League1 in the face of adversity of having to put up with a bunch of nutters running the club, and won the championship at the 1st time of asking. He's now managing a Premier league team that is competing with pretty much all the established teams in the PL.
I don't get your Samba point. Every manager signs a player that then goes on to be worth a lot more later on. NW signed Adel.
I don't get your "we don't need a manager who can spend £200 million and try and win the league" point either. That IS Mark Hughes. That is what he did (or didn't do as the case may be!) If you can spend £200 million and still be crap, what hope is there for you when you've got a smaller budget. I don't buy into this "job too far crap". Every manager would want £200 million to spend. Some would do it well and some wouldn't. Hughes didn't. |  | | |
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| Clear divide tonight on 15:22 - Jan 3 with 695 views | WestbourneR |
One last time - at Blackburn at Fulham? Tight budget = yes. Did well - finishing in Europe or 8th = yes.
That is two examples based on fact versus the one from Man City. I really don't see what you have to defend your position. You bang on about facts and yet you have none. | |
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| Clear divide tonight on 15:26 - Jan 3 with 689 views | hoopstilidie |
| Clear divide tonight on 15:22 - Jan 3 by WestbourneR |
One last time - at Blackburn at Fulham? Tight budget = yes. Did well - finishing in Europe or 8th = yes.
That is two examples based on fact versus the one from Man City. I really don't see what you have to defend your position. You bang on about facts and yet you have none. |
Tight budget = No
He has never worked under a tight budget anywhere. Now that`s a fact whether you choose to disregard it or not.
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| Clear divide tonight on 15:33 - Jan 3 with 684 views | WestbourneR |
Hughes signed Bellamy at Blackburn, another great signing and player whose career he got back on track. And if you think Kuqi helps make up a strong premiership squad you know even less than I thought.
Plenty of examples of a 'job too far' for many good managers but if you think that's rubbish I can't be bothered to argue with you about it.
I imagine anyone who has bothered to read this is totally bored by it so let's just agree to disagree. I thought I could convince you with my logic but clearly it doesn't seem as logical to some as it does to me.
So good luck and cheers for the debate, I'm exhausted. | |
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| Clear divide tonight on 15:36 - Jan 3 with 682 views | WestbourneR |
My god how can you say putting that Blackburn team together on £7.5 million is not a tight budget in the Prem???? Now you're just being stubborn.
Look at the players he got for the money he paid!
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| Clear divide tonight on 15:46 - Jan 3 with 677 views | TW_R |
| Clear divide tonight on 15:33 - Jan 3 by WestbourneR |
Hughes signed Bellamy at Blackburn, another great signing and player whose career he got back on track. And if you think Kuqi helps make up a strong premiership squad you know even less than I thought.
Plenty of examples of a 'job too far' for many good managers but if you think that's rubbish I can't be bothered to argue with you about it.
I imagine anyone who has bothered to read this is totally bored by it so let's just agree to disagree. I thought I could convince you with my logic but clearly it doesn't seem as logical to some as it does to me.
So good luck and cheers for the debate, I'm exhausted. |
Good point about Bellamy. That was another 5 million Hughes spent on "a low budget". Funnily enough, it's not looking so low after all.
"......you know even less than I thought"
I think that pretty much sums you up. You're obviously so far up your own arse you think you know more than everyone else.
You don't seem to have any logic. You think it's acceptable to spend £230 million and do bugger all once you've spent it! You think the manager we have is not up to the job having done what he's achieved in a ridiculously small amount of time and you think we should employ someone who has been fired (or left due to strange reasons) from 3 Premier league clubs.
BTW - when Hughes was at Blackburn, they were at the bottom of the fair-play league 4 seasons in a row. If you want to watch that crap, fair enough, but I don't.
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| Clear divide tonight on 15:50 - Jan 3 with 671 views | WestbourneR |
I'm not up my own arse but I do know more than you.
Actually Souness bought Bellamy I was wrong so you can scratch that £6 million. Still cheap at price.
Mark Hughes got Fulham into Europe by finishing top of the Fair Play League not that anyone sensible cares about where they finish in the fair play league.
And if you think Hughes' team's play uglier football than Warnock's dire stuff then you definitely haven't watched enough games.
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| Clear divide tonight on 15:58 - Jan 3 with 666 views | TW_R |
| Clear divide tonight on 15:50 - Jan 3 by WestbourneR |
I'm not up my own arse but I do know more than you.
Actually Souness bought Bellamy I was wrong so you can scratch that £6 million. Still cheap at price.
Mark Hughes got Fulham into Europe by finishing top of the Fair Play League not that anyone sensible cares about where they finish in the fair play league.
And if you think Hughes' team's play uglier football than Warnock's dire stuff then you definitely haven't watched enough games.
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"I'm not up my own arse but I do know more than you."
I think that means you're up your own arse.
Interesting - I like the way you seem to want to change facts everytime someone picks you up on something or points out something you said doesn't add a positive point to your view.
"Mark Hughes got Fulham into Europe by finishing top of the Fair Play League not that anyone sensible cares about where they finish in the fair play league."
So what you're saying is, he got them into Europe by luck? That's the kind of manager we need!!
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| Clear divide tonight on 16:05 - Jan 3 with 661 views | WestbourneR |
Ok i'm up my own arse, whatever you want really don't care, and I still know more than you.
You brought up the fair play league - that back fired as Hughes' Fulham finished top. Clearly generally the number of fouls a team commits is down to the players on the pitch not the manager.
And he got Blackburn into Europe with no 'luck' at all.
The simple summary is that you think Warnock is a better manager than Mark Hughes, yet Warnock has never been appointed manager by any Premiership club. Funny that.
I guess they're all wrong and you're right - or would that make you 'up your own arse'? | |
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| Clear divide tonight on 16:25 - Jan 3 with 648 views | TW_R |
| Clear divide tonight on 16:05 - Jan 3 by WestbourneR |
Ok i'm up my own arse, whatever you want really don't care, and I still know more than you.
You brought up the fair play league - that back fired as Hughes' Fulham finished top. Clearly generally the number of fouls a team commits is down to the players on the pitch not the manager.
And he got Blackburn into Europe with no 'luck' at all.
The simple summary is that you think Warnock is a better manager than Mark Hughes, yet Warnock has never been appointed manager by any Premiership club. Funny that.
I guess they're all wrong and you're right - or would that make you 'up your own arse'? |
No, but what would make me 'up my own arse' is saying I know more than someone else about a subject when I completely change facts to suit an argument or just make facts up.
What I do know is NW is currently a Premier League manager and Mark Hughes doesn't have a job.
Apparently Brendan Rodgers and Paul Lambert have never been appointed managers of a Premier League club either, so maybe Mark Hughes should replace one of them?
Or maybe we should bring in Gareth Southgate - he was appointed manager by a Premier League club. Funny that. He got them relegated!
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| Clear divide tonight on 16:40 - Jan 3 with 638 views | WestbourneR |
Lambert and Rodgers have just begun their careers - wouldn't be surprised if they do get other Prem jobs in the future.
Warnock is in his 60s, so he's had a fair while to 'make it' at the top level. Again your comparison is pathetically weak.
Simple FACT is Hughes has never been relegated, he's always secured good top half finishes (even when he hasn't had much to spend). Why do you think City gave him the job? Because of his record. Maybe you'd have got Neil in after his heroics at Notts County?
Warnock came up with Sheff Utd and unleashed Hulse, Nade and Akinbyi on the premier league and got sent right back down. Oh and he built his team around people like Montgomery, who would not feature in a fair play league.
I have never changed anything to suit me - it's all just the truth. Deal with it. | |
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| Clear divide tonight on 16:53 - Jan 3 with 625 views | TW_R |
| Clear divide tonight on 16:40 - Jan 3 by WestbourneR |
Lambert and Rodgers have just begun their careers - wouldn't be surprised if they do get other Prem jobs in the future.
Warnock is in his 60s, so he's had a fair while to 'make it' at the top level. Again your comparison is pathetically weak.
Simple FACT is Hughes has never been relegated, he's always secured good top half finishes (even when he hasn't had much to spend). Why do you think City gave him the job? Because of his record. Maybe you'd have got Neil in after his heroics at Notts County?
Warnock came up with Sheff Utd and unleashed Hulse, Nade and Akinbyi on the premier league and got sent right back down. Oh and he built his team around people like Montgomery, who would not feature in a fair play league.
I have never changed anything to suit me - it's all just the truth. Deal with it. |
I'm not entirely sure what I've got to deal with? NW is our manager and will be until the end of the season at least. I'm happy with that and I'm happy with the miracles he has done for our club.
It's you who believes Mark Hughes should be our manager and NW should be replaced. You've got to deal with the fact that's not going to happen. | | | |
| Clear divide tonight on 17:02 - Jan 3 with 617 views | RangersAreBack |
| Clear divide tonight on 13:17 - Jan 3 by hoopstilidie |
And the reason he isn`t has been answered on that very thread. |
Just because you all have your collective heads in the sands when given the answer does not mean that it hasn't been provided. |  | | |
| Clear divide tonight on 17:05 - Jan 3 with 611 views | WestbourneR |
RangersAreBack thank you. I don't really see how much more answering I have to do!
If we go down i'm blaming TW_R and Hoopstillidie hahaha. No really. | |
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| Clear divide tonight on 17:06 - Jan 3 with 610 views | RangersAreBack |
So the fact that you won a few cubs badges for polishing your brass makes you a better businessman than Alan Sugar because he left school at 16?
Get a grip son, Hughes has done it in the Premier League. | | | |
| Clear divide tonight on 17:12 - Jan 3 with 604 views | RangersAreBack |
| Clear divide tonight on 17:05 - Jan 3 by WestbourneR |
RangersAreBack thank you. I don't really see how much more answering I have to do!
If we go down i'm blaming TW_R and Hoopstillidie hahaha. No really. |
Save your breath Westbourne, you're dealing with a bunch of numpties that think Martin O'Neill is overrated. | | | |
| Clear divide tonight on 17:16 - Jan 3 with 595 views | TGRRRSSS |
Whilst not getting into the exact ins and outs of a Hughes V Warnock debate I think it's worth remembering quite a lot of people being given Managerial Jobs at the top level who are far far far less capable than Warnock would have been for those jobs, but becuase he's considered "Old School" and a blunt Yorkshireman he would have had no hope, whereas many others who look smooth/suave - maby foreigners in quite a number of cases got lots of offers and chances which proved a total waste of time. |  | | |
| Clear divide tonight on 17:16 - Jan 3 with 593 views | hoopstilidie |
| Clear divide tonight on 17:12 - Jan 3 by RangersAreBack |
Save your breath Westbourne, you're dealing with a bunch of numpties that think Martin O'Neill is overrated. |
I`ve never commented on O`Neill, as it happens I rate him.
Numpty? Seriously are you 12 or just not very bright?
I don`t agree with you, get over it.
At least Westbourne bothers to give reasons, I don`t agree with him but such is life. You on the other hand just spew bile. Pointless. | |
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