| Tata and the new UK steel strategy 12:56 - Sep 11 with 3880 views | AnotherJohn |
The statement just made today in Parliament is the first encouraging development I have seen under the new government. The big plus is that, in addition to an improved redundancy package, there will be an intention to bring back some UK primary steel production to complement the planned electric arc furnaces at Port Talbot and Scunthorpe. I suppose the downside is that the Tata deal does not postpone the closure of the existing blast furnaces, does not reduce the number of lost jobs significantly, and does not push Tata to add a DRI front end to the EAF in the short term. It was a bit rich for the Shadow Business Minister to criticise Labour for this when so little progress had been made by the last government. I will wait with interest to see what those with greater knowledge than me of the plant think. [Post edited 11 Sep 13:02]
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| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 16:58 - Sep 11 with 2303 views | swan65split |
i've not heard any statement or read anything as yet, but my opinion is that no new furnace will be built, i think inthe end TaTa will concentrate on their own furnaces, if something is built itll just be a token gesture.
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| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 22:04 - Sep 11 with 2211 views | Luther27 |
I am totally confused over the whole situation. Westminster and the Senedd have pointed out that Port Talbot steelworks was one of the highest polluters in the UK and in the drive for net zero something has to be done about it. So we shut down the local coal supply and imported coal from Australia.
TATA then claimed they were losing £1 million a day in PT a day and something had to be done. TATA are a private business and under pressure from everywhere to become a greener company they’ve in effect thrown the towel in…get as much subsidy from the tax payer and maybe do us a favour in staying for a while longer.
In the mean time Westminster Labour blame the last Govt for the poor deal left on the table by them and they tried their best but hey ho. Meanwhile the Senedd have ducked below the parapet as Drakeford and later Gething got their knickers in a twist over their Green image…but still want the steelworkers votes.
What will the outcome be? Well we’ve seen the results when BP shut down Llandarcy and Baglan refineries. When Fords shut in Swansea and later in Bridgend. Politicians will expel a lot of hot air and nothing but nothing will be done to alleviate the suffering of the local communities.
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| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 22:32 - Sep 11 with 2161 views | Wingstandwood |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 22:04 - Sep 11 by Luther27 |
I am totally confused over the whole situation. Westminster and the Senedd have pointed out that Port Talbot steelworks was one of the highest polluters in the UK and in the drive for net zero something has to be done about it. So we shut down the local coal supply and imported coal from Australia.
TATA then claimed they were losing £1 million a day in PT a day and something had to be done. TATA are a private business and under pressure from everywhere to become a greener company they’ve in effect thrown the towel in…get as much subsidy from the tax payer and maybe do us a favour in staying for a while longer.
In the mean time Westminster Labour blame the last Govt for the poor deal left on the table by them and they tried their best but hey ho. Meanwhile the Senedd have ducked below the parapet as Drakeford and later Gething got their knickers in a twist over their Green image…but still want the steelworkers votes.
What will the outcome be? Well we’ve seen the results when BP shut down Llandarcy and Baglan refineries. When Fords shut in Swansea and later in Bridgend. Politicians will expel a lot of hot air and nothing but nothing will be done to alleviate the suffering of the local communities.
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You are talking about the loss of once secure well paid jobs that were (and will) never ever be replaced with jobs offering equal pay!
And you're right about "a lot of hot air" which is a load of the usual cliché-bluff and goverment PR mentioning "support packages" and "government assistance", that amounts to intelligence insulting nothingness.
A case of the complete and total opposite of economic rebuilding and job creation to replace what has been lost.
A case of job search assistance and CV writing tutorial to compete for part time, or insecure employment contracts to earn a poverty pay wage that’s a fraction of what was earned once before! And all in a world where agency employers often dictate the "going rate". [Post edited 11 Sep 23:03]
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| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 21:06 - Oct 21 with 1572 views | Kilkennyjack |
The UK govt again failing Cymru, not sure what else to say …. |  |
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| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 21:33 - Oct 21 with 1565 views | max936 |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 22:04 - Sep 11 by Luther27 |
I am totally confused over the whole situation. Westminster and the Senedd have pointed out that Port Talbot steelworks was one of the highest polluters in the UK and in the drive for net zero something has to be done about it. So we shut down the local coal supply and imported coal from Australia.
TATA then claimed they were losing £1 million a day in PT a day and something had to be done. TATA are a private business and under pressure from everywhere to become a greener company they’ve in effect thrown the towel in…get as much subsidy from the tax payer and maybe do us a favour in staying for a while longer.
In the mean time Westminster Labour blame the last Govt for the poor deal left on the table by them and they tried their best but hey ho. Meanwhile the Senedd have ducked below the parapet as Drakeford and later Gething got their knickers in a twist over their Green image…but still want the steelworkers votes.
What will the outcome be? Well we’ve seen the results when BP shut down Llandarcy and Baglan refineries. When Fords shut in Swansea and later in Bridgend. Politicians will expel a lot of hot air and nothing but nothing will be done to alleviate the suffering of the local communities.
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This greener energy/image gets my goat it really does, it was right up Dreadfuls street though, take a look at this
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| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 21:48 - Oct 21 with 1552 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 21:06 - Oct 21 by Kilkennyjack |
The UK govt again failing Cymru, not sure what else to say …. |
These decisions are often political, Wales always votes Labour and so Labour have nothing to gain in the same way the Tories did not.
Somerset is another story with the Tories and Lib Dems fighting with Labour for votes. |  |
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| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 21:50 - Oct 21 with 1550 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Let's all sacrifice ourselves on the alter of insignificance. | |
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| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 22:06 - Oct 21 with 1541 views | blackswan |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 21:06 - Oct 21 by Kilkennyjack |
The UK govt again failing Cymru, not sure what else to say …. |
May have had a chance if drippy drakeford had built the m4 relief road! What large business would want to invest here with 60's infrastructure and a virtually gridlocked motorway at busy times [Post edited 21 Oct 22:06]
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| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 22:22 - Oct 21 with 1506 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 22:06 - Oct 21 by blackswan |
May have had a chance if drippy drakeford had built the m4 relief road! What large business would want to invest here with 60's infrastructure and a virtually gridlocked motorway at busy times [Post edited 21 Oct 22:06]
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| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 22:26 - Oct 21 with 1515 views | majorraglan |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 21:06 - Oct 21 by Kilkennyjack |
The UK govt again failing Cymru, not sure what else to say …. |
TATA own loads of land in Port Talbot, marshalling yards etc and if they needed more I’m sure they could have extended the steel works down towards Kentig and the old Borg Warner estate. Plenty of skilled workers to, ex Fords etc etc. There is also the old Llanwern site.
The point made about the infrastructure is spot on, the Brynglas Tunnels are a disgrace. | | | |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 22:38 - Oct 21 with 1497 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 22:26 - Oct 21 by majorraglan |
TATA own loads of land in Port Talbot, marshalling yards etc and if they needed more I’m sure they could have extended the steel works down towards Kentig and the old Borg Warner estate. Plenty of skilled workers to, ex Fords etc etc. There is also the old Llanwern site.
The point made about the infrastructure is spot on, the Brynglas Tunnels are a disgrace. |
Yes but not the reason quoted by anybody actually involved in this decision.
Somerset had a certain Tory MP when this decision was made.
Just saying.
The UK govt should have placed this investment in Port Talbot by any means necessary.
And lets be honest, they chose not to.
They chose not to because they do not care about Wales.
David TC Davies should have resigned his post over this. | |
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| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 12:35 - Oct 22 with 1418 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 21:06 - Oct 21 by Kilkennyjack |
The UK govt again failing Cymru, not sure what else to say …. |
No company is going to risk major investment in Wales due to the poor road infrastructure. If only Drakeford had given the go ahead for the Brynglas tunnels relief road. This would have made access to West of Newport far easier and less costly. Senedd let Wales down. | |
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| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 15:25 - Oct 22 with 1385 views | Boundy |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 12:35 - Oct 22 by felixstowe_jack |
No company is going to risk major investment in Wales due to the poor road infrastructure. If only Drakeford had given the go ahead for the Brynglas tunnels relief road. This would have made access to West of Newport far easier and less costly. Senedd let Wales down. |
Reference your last sentence , again | |
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| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 15:48 - Oct 22 with 1378 views | pencoedjack |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 12:35 - Oct 22 by felixstowe_jack |
No company is going to risk major investment in Wales due to the poor road infrastructure. If only Drakeford had given the go ahead for the Brynglas tunnels relief road. This would have made access to West of Newport far easier and less costly. Senedd let Wales down. |
Anyone who can't see this is nothing but a fool. |  | | |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 16:15 - Oct 22 with 1338 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 15:48 - Oct 22 by pencoedjack |
Anyone who can't see this is nothing but a fool. |
This was a uk government decision.
Thats the story.
Wales ignored again.
‘ This will be the first time Somerset will have been formally confirmed as the location for the UK’s new gigafactory. It represents a £4 billion investment in Somerset, which will directly create 4,000 new jobs and thousands more in the wider supply chain.’
The poor M4 links in Newport have not been mentioned as a reason for this decision by anyone in power. Thats just been made up on this forum. Weird. [Post edited 22 Oct 16:22]
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| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 16:25 - Oct 22 with 1322 views | pencoedjack |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 16:15 - Oct 22 by Kilkennyjack |
This was a uk government decision.
Thats the story.
Wales ignored again.
‘ This will be the first time Somerset will have been formally confirmed as the location for the UK’s new gigafactory. It represents a £4 billion investment in Somerset, which will directly create 4,000 new jobs and thousands more in the wider supply chain.’
The poor M4 links in Newport have not been mentioned as a reason for this decision by anyone in power. Thats just been made up on this forum. Weird. [Post edited 22 Oct 16:22]
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| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 19:18 - Oct 22 with 1264 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 22:22 - Oct 21 by Kilkennyjack |
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What a silly question, everybody (including yourself) knows that the M4 is a basket case that needed upgrading and everybody knows about the millions wasted on the planning before Drakeford decided it was too expensive and not eco friendly enough,
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48512697
And now Wales is paying the price as our remaining industry is taken away and nothing will replace it because the infrastructure is shocking.
Blame Westminster all you want but when the people in charge of Wales waste money on what we don't need and refuse to spend on what we do need, the outcome should be obvious, even to you. | | | |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 20:30 - Oct 22 with 1235 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 19:18 - Oct 22 by SullutaCreturned |
What a silly question, everybody (including yourself) knows that the M4 is a basket case that needed upgrading and everybody knows about the millions wasted on the planning before Drakeford decided it was too expensive and not eco friendly enough,
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48512697
And now Wales is paying the price as our remaining industry is taken away and nothing will replace it because the infrastructure is shocking.
Blame Westminster all you want but when the people in charge of Wales waste money on what we don't need and refuse to spend on what we do need, the outcome should be obvious, even to you. |
You have made up the link between the two issues. Fact.
Yes the M4 needs fixing, buts its not the reason that the Tories put this investment in Somerset.
It was a pure political decision.
Truss budget alone cost £30 billion.
Bloomberg found that Brexit is costing the UK economy £100 billion a year.
Any waste at the Senedd is the square root of feck all in comparison.
Happy to help you understand. | |
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| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 01:48 - Oct 23 with 1151 views | Robbie |
Looks like TATA is now investing money in a new Blast Furnace in India , so sorry PT .
Emissions and air pollution issues will be brushed off and forgotten .
There again UK paid half a billion to apprease TATA , money well spent elsewhere I suppose . | | | |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 08:10 - Oct 23 with 1086 views | Whiterockin |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 20:30 - Oct 22 by Kilkennyjack |
You have made up the link between the two issues. Fact.
Yes the M4 needs fixing, buts its not the reason that the Tories put this investment in Somerset.
It was a pure political decision.
Truss budget alone cost £30 billion.
Bloomberg found that Brexit is costing the UK economy £100 billion a year.
Any waste at the Senedd is the square root of feck all in comparison.
Happy to help you understand. |
So are you saying that the Senedd is irrelevant and pointless in the grand scheme of things in the UK, an expensive irrelevance but still pointless. |  | | |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 20:08 - Oct 23 with 988 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 08:10 - Oct 23 by Whiterockin |
So are you saying that the Senedd is irrelevant and pointless in the grand scheme of things in the UK, an expensive irrelevance but still pointless. |
An independent Cymru would make the right decisions for the people of wales, yes good point. | |
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| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 23:37 - Oct 23 with 949 views | raynor94 |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 20:08 - Oct 23 by Kilkennyjack |
An independent Cymru would make the right decisions for the people of wales, yes good point. |
Well they certainly haven't since the formation of the assembly |  |
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| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 13:28 - Oct 24 with 869 views | controversial_jack |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 23:37 - Oct 23 by raynor94 |
Well they certainly haven't since the formation of the assembly |
Any decisions are down to the company, not the Senedd or Westminster. They are a private for profit corporation, they do what they want | | | |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 13:49 - Oct 24 with 843 views | raynor94 |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 13:28 - Oct 24 by controversial_jack |
Any decisions are down to the company, not the Senedd or Westminster. They are a private for profit corporation, they do what they want |
I'm talking about decisions the Assembly have made over the years not Tata in particular | |
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| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 14:19 - Oct 24 with 821 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Tata and the new UK steel strategy on 23:37 - Oct 23 by raynor94 |
Well they certainly haven't since the formation of the assembly |
I think you missed the criticality of an independent Cymru. | |
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