| Rwanda 10:21 - Nov 15 with 34226 views | raynor94 |
Supreme court has ruled its illegal.
That's a lot of money down the drain, awaiting a comment from Suella |  |
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| Rwanda on 10:35 - Nov 15 with 11126 views | builthjack |
Wasn't slippy Rishi the person behind it?
Another mammoth cock up. |  |
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| Rwanda on 10:49 - Nov 15 with 11122 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Rwanda on 10:35 - Nov 15 by builthjack |
Wasn't slippy Rishi the person behind it?
Another mammoth cock up. |
Think priti Patel was around then |  |
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| Rwanda on 11:11 - Nov 15 with 11097 views | max936 |
Add it to the trillions that this useless Government have wasted and given away in nefarious contracts to their mates. |  |
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| Rwanda on 17:23 - Nov 15 with 11024 views | sP7qupUf |
The ranting by certain Tory MPs is worrying. Judges branded as "Enemies of the People" , constantly banging on about "Lefty Lawyers" and slamming the civil service. They do not seem to understand that the principles of democracy is based on the Legislative, Executive and Judiciary being independent of each other. when they are all controlled by the government we have..... a dictatorship!! Wonder if they would be happy if a Labour Government wanted to establish left wing policies that they did not like by similar means. |  | | |
| Rwanda on 17:25 - Nov 15 with 11022 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Rwanda on 17:23 - Nov 15 by sP7qupUf |
The ranting by certain Tory MPs is worrying. Judges branded as "Enemies of the People" , constantly banging on about "Lefty Lawyers" and slamming the civil service. They do not seem to understand that the principles of democracy is based on the Legislative, Executive and Judiciary being independent of each other. when they are all controlled by the government we have..... a dictatorship!! Wonder if they would be happy if a Labour Government wanted to establish left wing policies that they did not like by similar means. |
Give it a year and we’ll find out. | |
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| Rwanda on 17:35 - Nov 15 with 10977 views | controversial_jack |
| Rwanda on 17:23 - Nov 15 by sP7qupUf |
The ranting by certain Tory MPs is worrying. Judges branded as "Enemies of the People" , constantly banging on about "Lefty Lawyers" and slamming the civil service. They do not seem to understand that the principles of democracy is based on the Legislative, Executive and Judiciary being independent of each other. when they are all controlled by the government we have..... a dictatorship!! Wonder if they would be happy if a Labour Government wanted to establish left wing policies that they did not like by similar means. |
It's fascism, plain and simple | | | |
| Rwanda on 17:42 - Nov 15 with 11009 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Rwanda on 17:23 - Nov 15 by sP7qupUf |
The ranting by certain Tory MPs is worrying. Judges branded as "Enemies of the People" , constantly banging on about "Lefty Lawyers" and slamming the civil service. They do not seem to understand that the principles of democracy is based on the Legislative, Executive and Judiciary being independent of each other. when they are all controlled by the government we have..... a dictatorship!! Wonder if they would be happy if a Labour Government wanted to establish left wing policies that they did not like by similar means. |
Well said. |  |
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| Rwanda on 17:46 - Nov 15 with 11004 views | Kilkennyjack |
The nobbling of the BBC, the press, they lied to the Queen, labelled judges as enemies of the people, introduced vip lanes for mates during a national crises, trashed the economy, and compromised the police.
Send them posh b@stards to Rwanda instead. | |
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| Rwanda on 18:07 - Nov 15 with 10988 views | AnotherJohn |
| Rwanda on 17:23 - Nov 15 by sP7qupUf |
The ranting by certain Tory MPs is worrying. Judges branded as "Enemies of the People" , constantly banging on about "Lefty Lawyers" and slamming the civil service. They do not seem to understand that the principles of democracy is based on the Legislative, Executive and Judiciary being independent of each other. when they are all controlled by the government we have..... a dictatorship!! Wonder if they would be happy if a Labour Government wanted to establish left wing policies that they did not like by similar means. |
"democracy is based on the Legislative, Executive and Judiciary being independent of each other."
Independent in some senses, yes, but each branch has a role into which the other branches should not stray. The judiciary cannot over-rule law made by the legislature, although it can adjudicate on whether new laws are compatible with the framework of law that already exists.
https://www.judiciary.uk/about-the-judiciary/our-justice-system/jud-acc-ind/judg
The democratic process works through the election of the legislators rather than the election of judges, and so there is disquiet in some quarters about "judicial activism" and the apparent incursion of law into the domain of politics (remember Jonathan Sumption's 2019 Reith lectures).
The Supreme Court's judgement will be controversial because it does not so much depend on legal interpretation of the doctrine of non-refoulement, as a judgement about Rwanda's human rights record, its safety as a place of refuge, and the Rwanda government's trustworthiness to meet the terms of the MOU. | | | |
| Rwanda on 19:12 - Nov 15 with 10943 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Rwanda on 18:07 - Nov 15 by AnotherJohn |
"democracy is based on the Legislative, Executive and Judiciary being independent of each other."
Independent in some senses, yes, but each branch has a role into which the other branches should not stray. The judiciary cannot over-rule law made by the legislature, although it can adjudicate on whether new laws are compatible with the framework of law that already exists.
https://www.judiciary.uk/about-the-judiciary/our-justice-system/jud-acc-ind/judg
The democratic process works through the election of the legislators rather than the election of judges, and so there is disquiet in some quarters about "judicial activism" and the apparent incursion of law into the domain of politics (remember Jonathan Sumption's 2019 Reith lectures).
The Supreme Court's judgement will be controversial because it does not so much depend on legal interpretation of the doctrine of non-refoulement, as a judgement about Rwanda's human rights record, its safety as a place of refuge, and the Rwanda government's trustworthiness to meet the terms of the MOU. |
Its unlawful. Fact.
The judges have decided.
The law is the law.
Elected uk governments made these laws.
They apply to us all. | |
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| Rwanda on 19:46 - Nov 15 with 10922 views | howenjack |
There again If it's good enough for the Arsenal .............  | | | |
| Rwanda on 20:41 - Nov 15 with 10884 views | majorraglan |
I think most people with half a brain could see this coming, it’s another example of poorly thought out legislation from our government.
Makes you wonder why they didn’t see this coming, or is it a case of they knew it was coming and were devoid of other ideas so pressed ahead regardless so as to be able to blame the judges? The government can afford the best legal brains, so it’s a bit odd. | | | |
| Rwanda on 20:50 - Nov 15 with 10871 views | AnotherJohn |
| Rwanda on 19:12 - Nov 15 by Kilkennyjack |
Its unlawful. Fact.
The judges have decided.
The law is the law.
Elected uk governments made these laws.
They apply to us all. |
There can be no doubt that the Supreme Court is able to rule a course of action unlawful. My claim was only that this will be seen as a controversial judgement.
If in cases like this it was really as simple as "the law is the law", a lot of extremely well-paid lawyers would be casting around for other jobs.  | | | |
| Rwanda on 20:59 - Nov 15 with 10856 views | Whiterockin |
If they try to push ahead with legislation after they have been told its unacceptable, it won't be a year. I think it will be the final straw, the backlash from the country will be more than the government can handle and there could be a snap election in January. Basically they will throw in the towel. |  | | |
| Rwanda on 21:32 - Nov 15 with 10816 views | Flashberryjack |
| Rwanda on 20:59 - Nov 15 by Whiterockin |
If they try to push ahead with legislation after they have been told its unacceptable, it won't be a year. I think it will be the final straw, the backlash from the country will be more than the government can handle and there could be a snap election in January. Basically they will throw in the towel. |
I think the majority of the people of the UK agree with sending people that enter the UK illegally be sent to Rwanda.
There must be something wrong when a democratically government can't pass laws to protect it's own borders. |  |
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| Rwanda on 22:17 - Nov 15 with 10776 views | majorraglan |
| Rwanda on 21:32 - Nov 15 by Flashberryjack |
I think the majority of the people of the UK agree with sending people that enter the UK illegally be sent to Rwanda.
There must be something wrong when a democratically government can't pass laws to protect it's own borders. |
Incompetence? The government know the law and they’ve got top barristers and legal brains working on this. Given the importance of the issue in the public eye anyone with half a brain would have hedged their bets and had a couple of different teams working on the different scenarios and options. Yes it costs money to employee several different sets of lawyers, but in the grand scheme of things its chicken feed. | | | |
| Rwanda on 22:30 - Nov 15 with 10762 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Who in their right mind could have possibly surmised that some poverty stricken country ravaged by civil war, rampant corruption and one of the worst and most recent genocides in human history is a safe country? | |
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| Rwanda on 22:42 - Nov 15 with 10757 views | majorraglan |
| Rwanda on 22:30 - Nov 15 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Who in their right mind could have possibly surmised that some poverty stricken country ravaged by civil war, rampant corruption and one of the worst and most recent genocides in human history is a safe country? |
I dare say the significant amount of cash we’ve sent has found its way in to the Swiss bank accounts of some of the Rwandan movers and shakers. | | | |
| Rwanda on 22:46 - Nov 15 with 10754 views | Boundy |
| Rwanda on 22:30 - Nov 15 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Who in their right mind could have possibly surmised that some poverty stricken country ravaged by civil war, rampant corruption and one of the worst and most recent genocides in human history is a safe country? |
If it wasn't so serious it would considered a dark sinister farce , but then again how many Home Secretary's has it been now ? | |
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| Rwanda on 23:20 - Nov 15 with 10731 views | onehunglow |
| Rwanda on 21:32 - Nov 15 by Flashberryjack |
I think the majority of the people of the UK agree with sending people that enter the UK illegally be sent to Rwanda.
There must be something wrong when a democratically government can't pass laws to protect it's own borders. |
Refugees welcome, whoever they are eh | |
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| Rwanda on 06:19 - Nov 16 with 10688 views | Whiterockin |
| Rwanda on 21:32 - Nov 15 by Flashberryjack |
I think the majority of the people of the UK agree with sending people that enter the UK illegally be sent to Rwanda.
There must be something wrong when a democratically government can't pass laws to protect it's own borders. |
I think you are wrong. | | | |
| Rwanda on 08:54 - Nov 16 with 10653 views | Gwyn737 |
| Rwanda on 06:19 - Nov 16 by Whiterockin |
I think you are wrong. |
Polls this morning show that the Tories are at their lowest levels since Truss.
I don't think spending another year trying to deport a few hundred people to a dictatorship will sort it all out though.
Bearing in mind:
1. The court judgement was clear = leaving the ECHR will not help
2. There's now way they'll get it through parliament.
3. Even if they did, the Lord's would block it.
They've far more effective things they could be doing. | | | |
| Rwanda on 09:34 - Nov 16 with 10632 views | johnlangy |
| Rwanda on 21:32 - Nov 15 by Flashberryjack |
I think the majority of the people of the UK agree with sending people that enter the UK illegally be sent to Rwanda.
There must be something wrong when a democratically government can't pass laws to protect it's own borders. |
The majority ? Maybe, maybe not.
Every government minister when talking about Rwanda says that sending asylum seekers there will stop the small boats.
Could someone explain to me why sending 500 of them to Rwanda will act as a deterrent to the 45,000 or so that are coming this year. And the 45,000 that may very well come next year.
Genuine question. Perhaps there's an agreement in place that when the initial 500 are sent there then there will be a huge expansion of the scheme. If there is i've not heard of it. | | | |
| Rwanda on 10:10 - Nov 16 with 10592 views | AnotherJohn |
| Rwanda on 09:34 - Nov 16 by johnlangy |
The majority ? Maybe, maybe not.
Every government minister when talking about Rwanda says that sending asylum seekers there will stop the small boats.
Could someone explain to me why sending 500 of them to Rwanda will act as a deterrent to the 45,000 or so that are coming this year. And the 45,000 that may very well come next year.
Genuine question. Perhaps there's an agreement in place that when the initial 500 are sent there then there will be a huge expansion of the scheme. If there is i've not heard of it. |
The government's argument is about deterrent effect rather than overseas processing for all arrivals, and i suppose one would have to say that whether this will work is an empirical question. The situation with Albanians, where the number of arrivals is sharply down this year, might give a clue. Last year about a quarter of cross channel arrivals (or around 10.000 persons) were Albanians. Since the agreement took effect in December 2022, the UK government returned around 1000 and that seems enough to stem the inward flow. The 1000 returns includes illegal arrivals by all routes - which came to about 16000 in 2022. [Post edited 16 Nov 2023 10:15]
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