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Picton Monument in Carmarthen 18:18 - Dec 21 with 9418 viewsbritferry

Well done to the people of Carmarthen

Monument to Waterloo hero will STAND: Memorial to slaver Thomas Picton who died in 1815 battle will not be removed or renamed after majority of locals vote to keep it amid BLM row

I didn't realise that he is the only Welshman buried in St Paul's Cathedral

More guts than those wishy-washy yellow bellied scummers

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9075579/Black-Lives-Matter-Monument-Wat

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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:19 - Dec 21 with 2629 viewsbritferry

perhaps we can have our arcade back now?

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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:22 - Dec 21 with 2619 viewscontroversial_jack

He was a bit of a c*nt by all accounts
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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:25 - Dec 21 with 2607 viewsHighjack

Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:22 - Dec 21 by controversial_jack

He was a bit of a c*nt by all accounts


Language Timothy.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:26 - Dec 21 with 2609 viewscontroversial_jack

Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:25 - Dec 21 by Highjack

Language Timothy.


Sorry!
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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:40 - Dec 21 with 2587 viewsBoundy

Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:22 - Dec 21 by controversial_jack

He was a bit of a c*nt by all accounts


Not to me nor I suspect people who lived a 100 years ago .

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:43 - Dec 21 with 2580 viewsCatullus

Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:22 - Dec 21 by controversial_jack

He was a bit of a c*nt by all accounts


Seems to me that the majority of the upper classes, senior officers and Royalty were in that boat back then.

There really was white privilige! The people voted on it so it should stand but if it were me, I'd go with putting an accurate plaque on there telling what he was really like, warts and all. Fairs fair.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 19:11 - Dec 21 with 2571 viewsBoundy

Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:43 - Dec 21 by Catullus

Seems to me that the majority of the upper classes, senior officers and Royalty were in that boat back then.

There really was white privilige! The people voted on it so it should stand but if it were me, I'd go with putting an accurate plaque on there telling what he was really like, warts and all. Fairs fair.


I suspect with all this recent kerfuffle regarding blm those who are interested in the history of a specific monument/statue would have done their research and those that think its irrelevant to todays society will just shrug their shoulders and carry on with their lives.

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 20:40 - Dec 21 with 2538 viewsKilkennyjack

The statue should be pulled down and thrown away.

Plenty of great welsh men and women to celebrate.

A grown man who is cruel to a young woman is no man in my book.

BLM ✊🏾

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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 20:44 - Dec 21 with 2533 viewsAndy1300

Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 20:40 - Dec 21 by Kilkennyjack

The statue should be pulled down and thrown away.

Plenty of great welsh men and women to celebrate.

A grown man who is cruel to a young woman is no man in my book.

BLM ✊🏾


FFS

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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 21:13 - Dec 21 with 2513 viewsBoundy

Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 20:44 - Dec 21 by Andy1300

FFS


No argument there . All part of our history but its only if its conforms with todays attitudes
[Post edited 21 Dec 2020 21:19]

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 21:27 - Dec 21 with 2502 viewsraynor94

Good on the People of Carmarthen👏

You give it out, you take it back it`s all part of the game
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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 22:12 - Dec 21 with 2463 viewsFieryJack

Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 20:40 - Dec 21 by Kilkennyjack

The statue should be pulled down and thrown away.

Plenty of great welsh men and women to celebrate.

A grown man who is cruel to a young woman is no man in my book.

BLM ✊🏾


Cracking post - don't mince your words, lad 😂
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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 22:22 - Dec 21 with 2456 viewspencoedjack

Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 21:27 - Dec 21 by raynor94

Good on the People of Carmarthen👏


Indeed 👍

The snowflakes will be up in arms.
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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 23:46 - Dec 21 with 2413 viewscontroversial_jack

Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:40 - Dec 21 by Boundy

Not to me nor I suspect people who lived a 100 years ago .


He would have been to the victims
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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 09:09 - Dec 22 with 2346 viewsonehunglow

Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:22 - Dec 21 by controversial_jack

He was a bit of a c*nt by all accounts


So was Mandela ,for many.

Lloyd George too,and a welshman at that

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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 09:57 - Dec 22 with 2319 viewsCatullus

Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 09:09 - Dec 22 by onehunglow

So was Mandela ,for many.

Lloyd George too,and a welshman at that


Henry Morgan and Black Bart....just goes to show, there's c...s everywhere, even in Wales

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 09:58 - Dec 22 with 2319 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 20:40 - Dec 21 by Kilkennyjack

The statue should be pulled down and thrown away.

Plenty of great welsh men and women to celebrate.

A grown man who is cruel to a young woman is no man in my book.

BLM ✊🏾


What about all those statues to your IRA scum who killed more people and did far more harm to more people than Picton ever did. A man who gave his life to defeat Europe biggest tyrant.

Sad news today lady Tebbit passed away today an innocent victim of the IRA bombing in Brighton which left her in a wheelchair for the rest of her life.

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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 10:01 - Dec 22 with 2319 viewsonehunglow

Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 09:58 - Dec 22 by felixstowe_jack

What about all those statues to your IRA scum who killed more people and did far more harm to more people than Picton ever did. A man who gave his life to defeat Europe biggest tyrant.

Sad news today lady Tebbit passed away today an innocent victim of the IRA bombing in Brighton which left her in a wheelchair for the rest of her life.


Yep,I remember that and old Norm being crest fallen.They might just a well have finished her off then.

This outrage was seen as a spectacular and a coup for the cause -the cause being a United Ireland by any means.

RIP Marg

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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 10:09 - Dec 22 with 2317 viewsNortbankboy

Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:19 - Dec 21 by britferry

perhaps we can have our arcade back now?


The Keir Hardie arcade sounds good.
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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 10:15 - Dec 22 with 2304 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 10:01 - Dec 22 by onehunglow

Yep,I remember that and old Norm being crest fallen.They might just a well have finished her off then.

This outrage was seen as a spectacular and a coup for the cause -the cause being a United Ireland by any means.

RIP Marg


It was certainly an own goal for the IRA . The World woke up to terrorism especially the USA. All of which led to the IRA being defeated by the British Army and having to go to the peace table .

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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 11:40 - Dec 22 with 2276 viewsNortbankboy

Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 10:01 - Dec 22 by onehunglow

Yep,I remember that and old Norm being crest fallen.They might just a well have finished her off then.

This outrage was seen as a spectacular and a coup for the cause -the cause being a United Ireland by any means.

RIP Marg


Going over old ground here.
Move on to create a better future
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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 11:57 - Dec 22 with 2268 viewsBoundy

Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 09:09 - Dec 22 by onehunglow

So was Mandela ,for many.

Lloyd George too,and a welshman at that


Perhaps gorgeous George Thomas should also be mentioned ,such a fine upstanding Welshman.

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 11:58 - Dec 22 with 2267 viewsBoundy

Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 11:40 - Dec 22 by Nortbankboy

Going over old ground here.
Move on to create a better future


Pictons monument, removed , yea or nay ?

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 12:07 - Dec 22 with 2263 viewsLohengrin

The only problem with the Picton Memorial is it’s nowhere near big enough.

April 1812, Badajoz.

Wellington: “My engineers are expressing grave doubts whether the task can be accomplished at all.”

Picton: “I can accomplish it.”




Always leading from the front, always exposed to the greatest danger. Fearless.

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 14:13 - Dec 22 with 2210 viewsCatullus

Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 12:07 - Dec 22 by Lohengrin

The only problem with the Picton Memorial is it’s nowhere near big enough.

April 1812, Badajoz.

Wellington: “My engineers are expressing grave doubts whether the task can be accomplished at all.”

Picton: “I can accomplish it.”




Always leading from the front, always exposed to the greatest danger. Fearless.


Oh he was very brave, possibly to the point of stupidity but, was he a criminal? It's the same argument over again Loh. Do we get to judge 200 year old people by modern standards?

The answer should probably be no because modern standards lack the context to make good choices.
If Picton were born today he might be just as brave (or foolhardy) but he most wouldn't behave like the Picton of Badajoz, Waterloo or the "New World" because he'd be brought up by todays rules.

I wonder what people will make of us in 200 years? Assuming we haven't gone extinct by our own stupidity of course.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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