| Picton Monument in Carmarthen 18:18 - Dec 21 with 9418 views | britferry |
Well done to the people of Carmarthen
Monument to Waterloo hero will STAND: Memorial to slaver Thomas Picton who died in 1815 battle will not be removed or renamed after majority of locals vote to keep it amid BLM row
I didn't realise that he is the only Welshman buried in St Paul's Cathedral
More guts than those wishy-washy yellow bellied scummers
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9075579/Black-Lives-Matter-Monument-Wat |  |
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| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:19 - Dec 21 with 2629 views | britferry |
perhaps we can have our arcade back now? | |
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| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:22 - Dec 21 with 2619 views | controversial_jack |
He was a bit of a c*nt by all accounts | | | |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:25 - Dec 21 with 2607 views | Highjack |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:22 - Dec 21 by controversial_jack |
He was a bit of a c*nt by all accounts |
Language Timothy. |  |
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| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:26 - Dec 21 with 2609 views | controversial_jack |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:25 - Dec 21 by Highjack |
Language Timothy. |
Sorry! | | | |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:40 - Dec 21 with 2587 views | Boundy |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:22 - Dec 21 by controversial_jack |
He was a bit of a c*nt by all accounts |
Not to me nor I suspect people who lived a 100 years ago . | |
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| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:43 - Dec 21 with 2580 views | Catullus |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:22 - Dec 21 by controversial_jack |
He was a bit of a c*nt by all accounts |
Seems to me that the majority of the upper classes, senior officers and Royalty were in that boat back then.
There really was white privilige! The people voted on it so it should stand but if it were me, I'd go with putting an accurate plaque on there telling what he was really like, warts and all. Fairs fair. | |
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| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 19:11 - Dec 21 with 2571 views | Boundy |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:43 - Dec 21 by Catullus |
Seems to me that the majority of the upper classes, senior officers and Royalty were in that boat back then.
There really was white privilige! The people voted on it so it should stand but if it were me, I'd go with putting an accurate plaque on there telling what he was really like, warts and all. Fairs fair. |
I suspect with all this recent kerfuffle regarding blm those who are interested in the history of a specific monument/statue would have done their research and those that think its irrelevant to todays society will just shrug their shoulders and carry on with their lives. | |
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| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 20:40 - Dec 21 with 2538 views | Kilkennyjack |
The statue should be pulled down and thrown away.
Plenty of great welsh men and women to celebrate.
A grown man who is cruel to a young woman is no man in my book.
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| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 20:44 - Dec 21 with 2533 views | Andy1300 |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 20:40 - Dec 21 by Kilkennyjack |
The statue should be pulled down and thrown away.
Plenty of great welsh men and women to celebrate.
A grown man who is cruel to a young woman is no man in my book.
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| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 21:13 - Dec 21 with 2513 views | Boundy |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 20:44 - Dec 21 by Andy1300 |
FFS |
No argument there . All part of our history but its only if its conforms with todays attitudes [Post edited 21 Dec 2020 21:19]
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| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 21:27 - Dec 21 with 2502 views | raynor94 |
Good on the People of Carmarthen👠|  |
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| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 22:12 - Dec 21 with 2463 views | FieryJack |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 20:40 - Dec 21 by Kilkennyjack |
The statue should be pulled down and thrown away.
Plenty of great welsh men and women to celebrate.
A grown man who is cruel to a young woman is no man in my book.
BLM ✊🾠|
Cracking post - don't mince your words, lad 😂 |  | | |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 22:22 - Dec 21 with 2456 views | pencoedjack |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 21:27 - Dec 21 by raynor94 |
Good on the People of Carmarthen👠|
Indeed ðŸ‘
The snowflakes will be up in arms. |  | | |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 23:46 - Dec 21 with 2413 views | controversial_jack |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:40 - Dec 21 by Boundy |
Not to me nor I suspect people who lived a 100 years ago . |
He would have been to the victims | | | |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 09:09 - Dec 22 with 2346 views | onehunglow |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:22 - Dec 21 by controversial_jack |
He was a bit of a c*nt by all accounts |
So was Mandela ,for many.
Lloyd George too,and a welshman at that | |
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| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 09:57 - Dec 22 with 2319 views | Catullus |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 09:09 - Dec 22 by onehunglow |
So was Mandela ,for many.
Lloyd George too,and a welshman at that |
Henry Morgan and Black Bart....just goes to show, there's c...s everywhere, even in Wales | |
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| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 09:58 - Dec 22 with 2319 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 20:40 - Dec 21 by Kilkennyjack |
The statue should be pulled down and thrown away.
Plenty of great welsh men and women to celebrate.
A grown man who is cruel to a young woman is no man in my book.
BLM ✊🾠|
What about all those statues to your IRA scum who killed more people and did far more harm to more people than Picton ever did. A man who gave his life to defeat Europe biggest tyrant.
Sad news today lady Tebbit passed away today an innocent victim of the IRA bombing in Brighton which left her in a wheelchair for the rest of her life. | |
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| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 10:01 - Dec 22 with 2319 views | onehunglow |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 09:58 - Dec 22 by felixstowe_jack |
What about all those statues to your IRA scum who killed more people and did far more harm to more people than Picton ever did. A man who gave his life to defeat Europe biggest tyrant.
Sad news today lady Tebbit passed away today an innocent victim of the IRA bombing in Brighton which left her in a wheelchair for the rest of her life. |
Yep,I remember that and old Norm being crest fallen.They might just a well have finished her off then.
This outrage was seen as a spectacular and a coup for the cause -the cause being a United Ireland by any means.
RIP Marg | |
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| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 10:09 - Dec 22 with 2317 views | Nortbankboy |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 18:19 - Dec 21 by britferry |
perhaps we can have our arcade back now? |
The Keir Hardie arcade sounds good. | | | |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 10:15 - Dec 22 with 2304 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 10:01 - Dec 22 by onehunglow |
Yep,I remember that and old Norm being crest fallen.They might just a well have finished her off then.
This outrage was seen as a spectacular and a coup for the cause -the cause being a United Ireland by any means.
RIP Marg |
It was certainly an own goal for the IRA . The World woke up to terrorism especially the USA. All of which led to the IRA being defeated by the British Army and having to go to the peace table . | |
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| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 11:40 - Dec 22 with 2276 views | Nortbankboy |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 10:01 - Dec 22 by onehunglow |
Yep,I remember that and old Norm being crest fallen.They might just a well have finished her off then.
This outrage was seen as a spectacular and a coup for the cause -the cause being a United Ireland by any means.
RIP Marg |
Going over old ground here.
Move on to create a better future | | | |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 11:57 - Dec 22 with 2268 views | Boundy |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 09:09 - Dec 22 by onehunglow |
So was Mandela ,for many.
Lloyd George too,and a welshman at that |
Perhaps gorgeous George Thomas should also be mentioned ,such a fine upstanding Welshman. | |
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| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 11:58 - Dec 22 with 2267 views | Boundy |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 11:40 - Dec 22 by Nortbankboy |
Going over old ground here.
Move on to create a better future |
Pictons monument, removed , yea or nay ? | |
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| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 12:07 - Dec 22 with 2263 views | Lohengrin |
The only problem with the Picton Memorial is it’s nowhere near big enough.
April 1812, Badajoz.
Wellington: “My engineers are expressing grave doubts whether the task can be accomplished at all.”
Picton: “I can accomplish it.”
Always leading from the front, always exposed to the greatest danger. Fearless. |  |
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| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 14:13 - Dec 22 with 2210 views | Catullus |
| Picton Monument in Carmarthen on 12:07 - Dec 22 by Lohengrin |
The only problem with the Picton Memorial is it’s nowhere near big enough.
April 1812, Badajoz.
Wellington: “My engineers are expressing grave doubts whether the task can be accomplished at all.”
Picton: “I can accomplish it.”
Always leading from the front, always exposed to the greatest danger. Fearless. |
Oh he was very brave, possibly to the point of stupidity but, was he a criminal? It's the same argument over again Loh. Do we get to judge 200 year old people by modern standards?
The answer should probably be no because modern standards lack the context to make good choices.
If Picton were born today he might be just as brave (or foolhardy) but he most wouldn't behave like the Picton of Badajoz, Waterloo or the "New World" because he'd be brought up by todays rules.
I wonder what people will make of us in 200 years? Assuming we haven't gone extinct by our own stupidity of course. | |
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