| Naughton 19:44 - Dec 23 with 7577 views | SgorioFruit |
absolute garbage
painful to watch
You know before the game where the players do their warm up exercises? Can I suggest that Naughton practices throw ins for one hour solid before the game. |  |
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| Naughton on 21:23 - Dec 23 with 1695 views | Jack_Kass |
They do their technical warm up in the far corner of the field, you know, where the least part of the actual game happens. |  |
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| Naughton on 21:26 - Dec 23 with 1682 views | Drizzy |
Terrible, terrible player. Fair play to him for turning in a few okay performances but he's awful. Crap positioning, has the propensity to switch off during crosses and can be painfully slow to get out and close players down.
When was the last time he made an overlap? Genuine question as I can't remember. Just think about that, a full-back that doesn't offer ANY attacking threat.
The sad thing about Naughton there's some semblance of talent. He can pick a pass, he can put in a good cross and we've even seen him score a great goal. Problem is it's seldom seen. |  |
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| Naughton on 21:35 - Dec 23 with 1655 views | harryhpalmer |
how you can slaughter him and not Narsingh is beyond my comprehension?
Naughton did fine, especially when up against Zaha.
Are there better right backs out there? Sure. Is he the worst? No.
but he gave his all for the shirt today. | |
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| Naughton on 21:41 - Dec 23 with 1644 views | budegan |
| Naughton on 19:52 - Dec 23 by JoshTheJack |
Rangel can't last 90 mins and he's not quick enough as much as i like him.We do need a right back in Jan to replace Naughton though. |
Yes, Jan 2015 |  | | |
| Naughton on 21:44 - Dec 23 with 1630 views | Flashberryjack |
| Naughton on 21:35 - Dec 23 by harryhpalmer |
how you can slaughter him and not Narsingh is beyond my comprehension?
Naughton did fine, especially when up against Zaha.
Are there better right backs out there? Sure. Is he the worst? No.
but he gave his all for the shirt today. |
Narsingh? now we are talking absolute utter crap? |  |
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| Naughton on 21:45 - Dec 23 with 1630 views | jasper_T |
| Naughton on 21:26 - Dec 23 by Drizzy |
Terrible, terrible player. Fair play to him for turning in a few okay performances but he's awful. Crap positioning, has the propensity to switch off during crosses and can be painfully slow to get out and close players down.
When was the last time he made an overlap? Genuine question as I can't remember. Just think about that, a full-back that doesn't offer ANY attacking threat.
The sad thing about Naughton there's some semblance of talent. He can pick a pass, he can put in a good cross and we've even seen him score a great goal. Problem is it's seldom seen. |
I disagree about his crossing, he's put in 2-3 good looking balls out of ~1000 attempts in the time he's been here, which is a ratio any sunday league clogger could replicate. Most of them are shapeless lumps right in the path of opposing defenders, without any target in mind.
He's got a decent touch, doesn't panic on the ball, can play a bit with both feet. I'd bet he's pretty decent at the short passing drills in training. But as you say his game completely lacks any sense of adventure.
You can argue it's been coached out of him but he didn't make many attacking runs when he was at Spurs, either. He's not the kind of player who will open up space for his teammates like Rangel used to do, and like our u23s are coached to (Connor Roberts made more penetrating runs in the 90 minutes I saw him play for Boro the other day than Naughton has done all season). | | | |
| Naughton on 21:48 - Dec 23 with 1619 views | jack247 |
| Naughton on 21:15 - Dec 23 by jasper_T |
Do you disagree with the points made in the post above you?
Would you like to address them or do you just want to have a passive aggressive whinge? |
The one from Dung?
Unable to take a throw in - if a player was really shit, we’d be talking about Townsend roasting him all afternoon.
Shocking positionally - as above
Unable to cross - agreed, but he hardly deserves singling out in this team for that. His crossing is better than either of today’s wingers.
Bullied - sometimes that’s true, I didn’t really see it today.
To answer your point, we are asking him to provide width because our wingers aren’t productive, he’s clearly not as attack minded as Rangel. He is doing a job, he’s not awesome, he’s also not ‘absolute garbage’. He overlapped more in the 10 minutes between Dyer switching wings and him going off than he did in the hour or so before that. Hardly surprising when he’s got Narsingh ahead of him, must be almost as hard as playing behind Montero. | | | |
| Naughton on 21:50 - Dec 23 with 1609 views | jack247 |
| Naughton on 21:20 - Dec 23 by Drizzy |
The usual 247 formula. Was a decent poster at one time, apparently. |
Top babbling Driz | | | |
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| Naughton on 22:09 - Dec 23 with 1577 views | whoflungdung |
Yes ,the one from Dung
Unable to do basics
Solid State | |
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| Naughton on 22:15 - Dec 23 with 1572 views | jack247 |
| Naughton on 22:09 - Dec 23 by whoflungdung |
Yes ,the one from Dung
Unable to do basics
Solid State |
The basics are exactly what he does well.
He hasn’t got any X factor about him, he’s not a match winner or a game changer, he’s a steady Eddie.
There were others more deserving of criticism today, as there usually are. | | | |
| Naughton on 22:24 - Dec 23 with 1558 views | jasper_T |
| Naughton on 22:15 - Dec 23 by jack247 |
The basics are exactly what he does well.
He hasn’t got any X factor about him, he’s not a match winner or a game changer, he’s a steady Eddie.
There were others more deserving of criticism today, as there usually are. |
We've got problems in many areas, but right-back is the problem we've had for the longest without sign or hope of improvement.
Naughton's going to continue to get stick because he's not good enough, and most people have seen enough of him that they can't give him the benefit of the doubt (like Narsingh, Clucas etc. get). | | | |
| Naughton on 22:33 - Dec 23 with 1543 views | jack247 |
| Naughton on 22:24 - Dec 23 by jasper_T |
We've got problems in many areas, but right-back is the problem we've had for the longest without sign or hope of improvement.
Naughton's going to continue to get stick because he's not good enough, and most people have seen enough of him that they can't give him the benefit of the doubt (like Narsingh, Clucas etc. get). |
I’m not trying to pretend he’s world class. It may well be our longest standing problem, but it’s far from our most pressing.
When we’ve got 1. a decent #10, 2. a back up/competition for Olsson, 3. productive wingers and 4. a way of playing without Bony, we can look at getting a better right back. Possibly having an attacking right back would help 4, but not as much as 1 and 3 would.
I’ve already made my mind up on Narsingh and am not far off it with Clucas. They both deserved more stick than Naughton today. | | | |
| Naughton on 23:16 - Dec 23 with 1526 views | jasper_T |
| Naughton on 22:33 - Dec 23 by jack247 |
I’m not trying to pretend he’s world class. It may well be our longest standing problem, but it’s far from our most pressing.
When we’ve got 1. a decent #10, 2. a back up/competition for Olsson, 3. productive wingers and 4. a way of playing without Bony, we can look at getting a better right back. Possibly having an attacking right back would help 4, but not as much as 1 and 3 would.
I’ve already made my mind up on Narsingh and am not far off it with Clucas. They both deserved more stick than Naughton today. |
How is competition for Olsson more pressing than competition for Naughton?
Naughton is good enough to be backup left-back, certainly better than Rangel is as backup right-back. | | | |
| Naughton on 23:25 - Dec 23 with 1515 views | jack247 |
| Naughton on 23:16 - Dec 23 by jasper_T |
How is competition for Olsson more pressing than competition for Naughton?
Naughton is good enough to be backup left-back, certainly better than Rangel is as backup right-back. |
Because we have two right backs who can at the very least do a job.
We’ve got one left back. If Naughton is the cover, that puts Rangel at right back, weakening us in both fullback positions and leaving us with no further cover on either side. Letting Kingsley go for what was probably a trivial sum was ridiculous. | | | |
| Naughton on 23:44 - Dec 23 with 1502 views | jasper_T |
| Naughton on 23:25 - Dec 23 by jack247 |
Because we have two right backs who can at the very least do a job.
We’ve got one left back. If Naughton is the cover, that puts Rangel at right back, weakening us in both fullback positions and leaving us with no further cover on either side. Letting Kingsley go for what was probably a trivial sum was ridiculous. |
I completely disagree than Rangel can still "do a job". His legs went two years ago. He's not got more than an hour of light jogging in him. He's a liability.
Why would we want a situation where we have two left backs that are better than all our right backs? Buying a better right back automatically gives us the left-back cover we're missing.
We don't play enough football to need two specialists in every position. Buying depth is part of what has given us such an imbalanced squad in the first place. | | | |
| Naughton on 23:50 - Dec 23 with 1492 views | Drizzy |
| Naughton on 23:44 - Dec 23 by jasper_T |
I completely disagree than Rangel can still "do a job". His legs went two years ago. He's not got more than an hour of light jogging in him. He's a liability.
Why would we want a situation where we have two left backs that are better than all our right backs? Buying a better right back automatically gives us the left-back cover we're missing.
We don't play enough football to need two specialists in every position. Buying depth is part of what has given us such an imbalanced squad in the first place. |
Spot on. A laughable assertion that a backup left-back is more of a priority.
There's also the very obvious benefit, for our meagre wide play, of having overlapping and threatening full-backs. | |
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| Naughton on 23:52 - Dec 23 with 1484 views | jack247 |
| Naughton on 23:50 - Dec 23 by Drizzy |
Spot on. A laughable assertion that a backup left-back is more of a priority.
There's also the very obvious benefit, for our meagre wide play, of having overlapping and threatening full-backs. |
You realise we’ve got Narsingh in front of him right? | | | |
| Naughton on 23:55 - Dec 23 with 1481 views | jack247 |
| Naughton on 23:44 - Dec 23 by jasper_T |
I completely disagree than Rangel can still "do a job". His legs went two years ago. He's not got more than an hour of light jogging in him. He's a liability.
Why would we want a situation where we have two left backs that are better than all our right backs? Buying a better right back automatically gives us the left-back cover we're missing.
We don't play enough football to need two specialists in every position. Buying depth is part of what has given us such an imbalanced squad in the first place. |
Fair enough, I’ll take that point, though if you don’t rate Naughton as a right back, would you want him playing out of position if Olsson was out?
Back to the original points.
A new right back is less of a priority than decent wingers and/or a #10.
Other players deserved more criticism than Naughton today, you mentioned two of them earlier in the thread. | | | |
| Naughton on 00:04 - Dec 24 with 1470 views | jasper_T |
| Naughton on 23:55 - Dec 23 by jack247 |
Fair enough, I’ll take that point, though if you don’t rate Naughton as a right back, would you want him playing out of position if Olsson was out?
Back to the original points.
A new right back is less of a priority than decent wingers and/or a #10.
Other players deserved more criticism than Naughton today, you mentioned two of them earlier in the thread. |
I don't mind when our backup players aren't as good as the starters, no.
Naughton's almost as good at left-back as he is on the right. He played a lot of football there for Spurs. He's mobile enough and tidy with both feet.
If we could replace him in the first team I'd ideally like to see him moved on. Let Connor Roberts act as backup to both fullback roles in the Championship. Doubt many sides would be willing to match his wages, though. | | | |
| Naughton on 00:15 - Dec 24 with 1457 views | jack247 |
| Naughton on 00:04 - Dec 24 by jasper_T |
I don't mind when our backup players aren't as good as the starters, no.
Naughton's almost as good at left-back as he is on the right. He played a lot of football there for Spurs. He's mobile enough and tidy with both feet.
If we could replace him in the first team I'd ideally like to see him moved on. Let Connor Roberts act as backup to both fullback roles in the Championship. Doubt many sides would be willing to match his wages, though. |
You’ve lost me now. You would replace him in the squad instead of signing an additional right back? That would leave us with Rangel, who can only last a light 60 minutes, covering both sides. Your argument made sense when he was going to be backup RB and LB.
How about the other points? Us having bigger recruitment priorities than right back and some of his teammates being more deserving of criticism? | | | |
| Naughton on 00:20 - Dec 24 with 1448 views | jasper_T |
| Naughton on 00:15 - Dec 24 by jack247 |
You’ve lost me now. You would replace him in the squad instead of signing an additional right back? That would leave us with Rangel, who can only last a light 60 minutes, covering both sides. Your argument made sense when he was going to be backup RB and LB.
How about the other points? Us having bigger recruitment priorities than right back and some of his teammates being more deserving of criticism? |
I'd move him on for next season. But generally I'd prefer to see local kids that might not be good enough given chances over senior pros that definitely aren't good enough. I'd play Reid or Lewis over Rangel, at least they can run.
Why does it matter if other players deserve criticism/need replacing? Are we only allowed to criticise one player at a time? Start threads for them if you want to have a moan about them, I'm sure I'll join in if I feel I have something new to add. | | | |
| Naughton on 00:28 - Dec 24 with 1437 views | jack247 |
| Naughton on 00:20 - Dec 24 by jasper_T |
I'd move him on for next season. But generally I'd prefer to see local kids that might not be good enough given chances over senior pros that definitely aren't good enough. I'd play Reid or Lewis over Rangel, at least they can run.
Why does it matter if other players deserve criticism/need replacing? Are we only allowed to criticise one player at a time? Start threads for them if you want to have a moan about them, I'm sure I'll join in if I feel I have something new to add. |
I don’t tend to start threads slating our players, particularly when they have had decent enough games without setting the world alight.
I’d rather we sign players that are actually good enough for whichever league we are in next season, rather than chance our arm on players that have only played in three quarter pace, low intensity U23 games or struggled at lower league clubs. | | | |
| Naughton on 00:32 - Dec 24 with 1428 views | Rancid |
He's about right for us and our level i think.Weve more worrying issues elsewhere on the pitch to address before we dig Naughton out just yet. |  | | |
| Naughton on 00:38 - Dec 24 with 1421 views | jasper_T |
| Naughton on 00:28 - Dec 24 by jack247 |
I don’t tend to start threads slating our players, particularly when they have had decent enough games without setting the world alight.
I’d rather we sign players that are actually good enough for whichever league we are in next season, rather than chance our arm on players that have only played in three quarter pace, low intensity U23 games or struggled at lower league clubs. |
Why not both? Buy an upgrade on Naughton and use young players as backup so they have a chance to play games that aren't "three quarter pace, low intensity".
They'll never sink or swim without being thrown in the pool. | | | |
| Naughton on 00:42 - Dec 24 with 1413 views | jack247 |
| Naughton on 00:38 - Dec 24 by jasper_T |
Why not both? Buy an upgrade on Naughton and use young players as backup so they have a chance to play games that aren't "three quarter pace, low intensity".
They'll never sink or swim without being thrown in the pool. |
We won’t get an upgrade on Naughton in the Championship. If we don’t get relegated we can’t afford to go down the ‘sink or swim’ route. I’m not sure we can if we do get relegated.
I’ve got nothing against any of our U23 players BTW. Just feel the environment they work in is counter productive. It’s all very well them winning their league and playing fantastic Swanselona football, but they are never going to be any use to the first team if they are thrust there directly from that, whichever league we are in next season. | | | |
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