| Siggy replacement(s) 10:34 - Jul 13 with 20063 views | LeonWasGod |
Ok then, as it looks certainly he's off how do we adjust or who can we bring in:
- to give us around 10-15 assists a season
- to score about 8-10 goals a season
- with a wand of a foot for set pieces
- to do the dirty work running their b0ll0x off to closing down across the front line
I'm struggling. |  | | |  |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 11:38 - Jul 13 with 3120 views | WarwickHunt |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 10:52 - Jul 13 by SwansNZ |
Is Emnes still available? |
Please don't. Not even in jest. |  | | |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 11:43 - Jul 13 with 3092 views | magicdaps10 |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 11:37 - Jul 13 by londonlisa2001 |
People are seriously losing the plot.
I like Siggy - he was our best player last season in terms of goals created and scored.
I am not one of the 'sell him' camp at all.
But anything over £40m for him is absolute genius. If it starts getting to £50m it's insane.
14 teams finished above us last season, none of which had Siggy. People are beginning to talk as though he's Messi (and the Everton fans are even worse - they should be fuming at spending that on him, not because they don't have the money, but because of what they could buy that's so much better for so much less).
It was reported last night that Everton thought they had him. I imagine that was the £40m bid. Siggy says he won't go on tour, thinking it forces our hand to accept. We then turn the bid down and call the bluff of both Siggy and Everton which is frankly a ballsy call. Let's see what happens. But if we get say £45m for him, if we can't improve the team for that, including his loss, we have zero clue. |
40m was Evertons first bid, they will come back.
Its an unbelievable amount and like you I dont want him to go but at 45-50m!!
We need to spend 20-30m wisely on two attack minded players, as a unit then it could make us stronger. |  |
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| Siggy replacement(s) on 11:47 - Jul 13 with 3050 views | pencoedjack |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 11:37 - Jul 13 by londonlisa2001 |
People are seriously losing the plot.
I like Siggy - he was our best player last season in terms of goals created and scored.
I am not one of the 'sell him' camp at all.
But anything over £40m for him is absolute genius. If it starts getting to £50m it's insane.
14 teams finished above us last season, none of which had Siggy. People are beginning to talk as though he's Messi (and the Everton fans are even worse - they should be fuming at spending that on him, not because they don't have the money, but because of what they could buy that's so much better for so much less).
It was reported last night that Everton thought they had him. I imagine that was the £40m bid. Siggy says he won't go on tour, thinking it forces our hand to accept. We then turn the bid down and call the bluff of both Siggy and Everton which is frankly a ballsy call. Let's see what happens. But if we get say £45m for him, if we can't improve the team for that, including his loss, we have zero clue. |
I agree anything over 40 million for Gylfi is great business
If PC is calling the shots on who replaces him and is given a decent chunk of that cash I'm happy.
If Jenkins is calling the shots and we go cheap then I'm not. |  | | |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 11:50 - Jul 13 with 3041 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 11:43 - Jul 13 by magicdaps10 |
40m was Evertons first bid, they will come back.
Its an unbelievable amount and like you I dont want him to go but at 45-50m!!
We need to spend 20-30m wisely on two attack minded players, as a unit then it could make us stronger. |
We can use the money to bring in 2 attack minded players and a right back. And all really good quality players. Bringing in Mesa shows that we can win the race against most overseas teams these days. Clement's knowledge of the Spanish and German leagues should be advantageous as well.
And that would make us far stronger.
Everton will bid again today I suspect, and it'll all be over and done with. My biggest worry is not losing him for that sort of fee, but being slow in identifying new players. We've known he's going all summer, so hopefully we've planned for that. |  | | |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 11:51 - Jul 13 with 3028 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 11:47 - Jul 13 by pencoedjack |
I agree anything over 40 million for Gylfi is great business
If PC is calling the shots on who replaces him and is given a decent chunk of that cash I'm happy.
If Jenkins is calling the shots and we go cheap then I'm not. |
If Jenkins was calling the shots we wouldn't be turning down £40m or spending £11m on a defensive midfielder. | | | |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 11:52 - Jul 13 with 3013 views | pencoedjack |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 11:51 - Jul 13 by londonlisa2001 |
If Jenkins was calling the shots we wouldn't be turning down £40m or spending £11m on a defensive midfielder. |
Yep you are right 👠| | | |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 11:57 - Jul 13 with 2994 views | Dyfnant |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 11:43 - Jul 13 by magicdaps10 |
40m was Evertons first bid, they will come back.
Its an unbelievable amount and like you I dont want him to go but at 45-50m!!
We need to spend 20-30m wisely on two attack minded players, as a unit then it could make us stronger. |
What's your thoughts on loaning Jesé from PSG |  |
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| Siggy replacement(s) on 12:04 - Jul 13 with 2940 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 11:37 - Jul 13 by londonlisa2001 |
People are seriously losing the plot.
I like Siggy - he was our best player last season in terms of goals created and scored.
I am not one of the 'sell him' camp at all.
But anything over £40m for him is absolute genius. If it starts getting to £50m it's insane.
14 teams finished above us last season, none of which had Siggy. People are beginning to talk as though he's Messi (and the Everton fans are even worse - they should be fuming at spending that on him, not because they don't have the money, but because of what they could buy that's so much better for so much less).
It was reported last night that Everton thought they had him. I imagine that was the £40m bid. Siggy says he won't go on tour, thinking it forces our hand to accept. We then turn the bid down and call the bluff of both Siggy and Everton which is frankly a ballsy call. Let's see what happens. But if we get say £45m for him, if we can't improve the team for that, including his loss, we have zero clue. |
Spot on post there Lisa.
He can be replaced, we have done it before. |  | | |
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| Siggy replacement(s) on 12:18 - Jul 13 with 2881 views | LeonWasGod |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 11:37 - Jul 13 by londonlisa2001 |
People are seriously losing the plot.
I like Siggy - he was our best player last season in terms of goals created and scored.
I am not one of the 'sell him' camp at all.
But anything over £40m for him is absolute genius. If it starts getting to £50m it's insane.
14 teams finished above us last season, none of which had Siggy. People are beginning to talk as though he's Messi (and the Everton fans are even worse - they should be fuming at spending that on him, not because they don't have the money, but because of what they could buy that's so much better for so much less).
It was reported last night that Everton thought they had him. I imagine that was the £40m bid. Siggy says he won't go on tour, thinking it forces our hand to accept. We then turn the bid down and call the bluff of both Siggy and Everton which is frankly a ballsy call. Let's see what happens. But if we get say £45m for him, if we can't improve the team for that, including his loss, we have zero clue. |
Nobody's saying he's irreplaceable though (at least not on this thread). It's how we go about it that's the interesting discussion, and relevant too given the pigs ear they made of replacing Ash and Ayew. As we will have an adjustment to make, be it through new personnel, style or a combination of both. | | | |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 12:26 - Jul 13 with 2834 views | jack247 |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 12:18 - Jul 13 by LeonWasGod |
Nobody's saying he's irreplaceable though (at least not on this thread). It's how we go about it that's the interesting discussion, and relevant too given the pigs ear they made of replacing Ash and Ayew. As we will have an adjustment to make, be it through new personnel, style or a combination of both. |
I'm sure it will be style. We are just going to have to accept that we won't have such good delivery from set pieces. Although he isn't that quick, he does a lot of work harrying defenders, so there may be a bit more pressure on midfield.
What stops him being a really great player is he hasn't got that explosive pace and can't really run at a man, I'd imagine we will go for a more traditional #10 and hopefully a PL level Bodde type to replace Cork | | | |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 12:39 - Jul 13 with 2766 views | Landore_Jack |
Not sure if it's me, but I don't have faith in recruitment department. Too many good players have left the club and have not been properly replaced. |  |
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| Siggy replacement(s) on 12:49 - Jul 13 with 2724 views | LeonWasGod |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 12:26 - Jul 13 by jack247 |
I'm sure it will be style. We are just going to have to accept that we won't have such good delivery from set pieces. Although he isn't that quick, he does a lot of work harrying defenders, so there may be a bit more pressure on midfield.
What stops him being a really great player is he hasn't got that explosive pace and can't really run at a man, I'd imagine we will go for a more traditional #10 and hopefully a PL level Bodde type to replace Cork |
Looked like we played with 2 wingers again yesterday - I wonder if this is in PC's thinking? Back to a wider 4231 or 433.
One thing's for sure - this should stir up our transfer business again and we can hopefully look forward to signing 1 or 2 new quality players. | | | |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 13:12 - Jul 13 with 2644 views | yescomeon |
It's not right to look at goals, assists and set play in isolation. In reality most of the goals and assists came from dead balls. From open play he didn't offer a lot. We either find a dead ball specialist and try and play the same way, or look for a completely different type of player and change up how we try to play. Easier to do the first and our other signings seem to be upgrades on similar types of players which suggests we plan to go the same way.
With the money for Gylfi and Llorente (who is not as useful without Gylfi) we should be able to get good wingers either side and a number 10 if we plan to play with one. If we are going with the diamond I'd look to buy a real quality right back who can offer as width in attack (like Olssen) an attacking midfielder (AM) to operate as a real attacking pivot and a top quality striker to link up with the AM and Abraham/Ayew. |  |
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| Siggy replacement(s) on 13:14 - Jul 13 with 2623 views | Porthcawlswan |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 13:12 - Jul 13 by yescomeon |
It's not right to look at goals, assists and set play in isolation. In reality most of the goals and assists came from dead balls. From open play he didn't offer a lot. We either find a dead ball specialist and try and play the same way, or look for a completely different type of player and change up how we try to play. Easier to do the first and our other signings seem to be upgrades on similar types of players which suggests we plan to go the same way.
With the money for Gylfi and Llorente (who is not as useful without Gylfi) we should be able to get good wingers either side and a number 10 if we plan to play with one. If we are going with the diamond I'd look to buy a real quality right back who can offer as width in attack (like Olssen) an attacking midfielder (AM) to operate as a real attacking pivot and a top quality striker to link up with the AM and Abraham/Ayew. |
I agree. It's increasingly likely we will lose llorente and try to implement a whole different style, do it quickly I say | | | |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 13:22 - Jul 13 with 2563 views | ploppy |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 13:12 - Jul 13 by yescomeon |
It's not right to look at goals, assists and set play in isolation. In reality most of the goals and assists came from dead balls. From open play he didn't offer a lot. We either find a dead ball specialist and try and play the same way, or look for a completely different type of player and change up how we try to play. Easier to do the first and our other signings seem to be upgrades on similar types of players which suggests we plan to go the same way.
With the money for Gylfi and Llorente (who is not as useful without Gylfi) we should be able to get good wingers either side and a number 10 if we plan to play with one. If we are going with the diamond I'd look to buy a real quality right back who can offer as width in attack (like Olssen) an attacking midfielder (AM) to operate as a real attacking pivot and a top quality striker to link up with the AM and Abraham/Ayew. |
From open play he didn't offer a lot
You can't say that round here! | | | |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 13:34 - Jul 13 with 2497 views | andypitt56 |
The difference is those transfers dragged on, this i being sorted early in the window. If we dont replace him by the end of august then our club is run by morons. But the fact we have already signed a player like Mesa has given me some optimism that actually the owners have learnt a great deal since they have taken over. Lets not forget we did some great buiness in january. | | | |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 14:10 - Jul 13 with 2413 views | Liam |
De Guzman £5m |  | | |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 14:15 - Jul 13 with 2386 views | forkbeard |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 14:10 - Jul 13 by Liam |
De Guzman £5m |
The same one that's just joined Eintracht Frankfurt? |  | | |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 14:16 - Jul 13 with 2382 views | Uxbridge |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 11:57 - Jul 13 by Dyfnant |
What's your thoughts on loaning Jesé from PSG |
Didn't he have a right wobble and ended up at his home club Las Palmas? Mesa does know him of course ...
Excellent talent though. |  |
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| Siggy replacement(s) on 14:18 - Jul 13 with 2365 views | Liam |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 14:15 - Jul 13 by forkbeard |
The same one that's just joined Eintracht Frankfurt? |
A bit tongue in cheek but yeah. Thought he was still at Napoli. | | | |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 14:22 - Jul 13 with 2348 views | Jack_y_Jwc |
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| Siggy replacement(s) on 14:35 - Jul 13 with 2281 views | magicdaps10 |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 14:22 - Jul 13 by Jack_y_Jwc |
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There is no way the club will offer 25m for ziyech.
A replacement will be at very tops 15m. | |
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| Siggy replacement(s) on 14:35 - Jul 13 with 2281 views | Natterjack |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 13:22 - Jul 13 by ploppy |
From open play he didn't offer a lot
You can't say that round here! |
I think you're right... great set piece but playing him out of position meant he wasn't the threat that he was under Rogers.
It'll be interesting to see how Koeman fits him and the granny shagger in the same team as I doubt either will sign to sit on the bench?
As for replacing Siggy, lets just hope the Yanks give the whole £45-£50m to Clement to bring in 2 quality players from his black book - hopefully one's like Mesa which took us all by surprise |  | | |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 14:59 - Jul 13 with 2199 views | Liam |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 14:35 - Jul 13 by Natterjack |
I think you're right... great set piece but playing him out of position meant he wasn't the threat that he was under Rogers.
It'll be interesting to see how Koeman fits him and the granny shagger in the same team as I doubt either will sign to sit on the bench?
As for replacing Siggy, lets just hope the Yanks give the whole £45-£50m to Clement to bring in 2 quality players from his black book - hopefully one's like Mesa which took us all by surprise |
Mesa was an Altman signing. | | | |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 15:10 - Jul 13 with 2142 views | yescomeon |
| Siggy replacement(s) on 14:35 - Jul 13 by Natterjack |
I think you're right... great set piece but playing him out of position meant he wasn't the threat that he was under Rogers.
It'll be interesting to see how Koeman fits him and the granny shagger in the same team as I doubt either will sign to sit on the bench?
As for replacing Siggy, lets just hope the Yanks give the whole £45-£50m to Clement to bring in 2 quality players from his black book - hopefully one's like Mesa which took us all by surprise |
Rooney will want the dead balls too I imagine. If he's in the team though Siggy should take them, no one better at it in the league. The Rooney signing is just plain weird, especially if they intended to buy Siggy too. | |
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