| Yet another Terrorist atrocity 13:12 - Jun 12 with 19253 views | snork44 |
A gunman has opened fire in a gay nightclub in Orlando in Florida and killed 20 people and 45 have been taken to hospital,which means the death toll may increase. The FBI has already stated it is the work of an Islamic terrorist. |  |
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| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 13:58 - Jun 14 with 2243 views | Lohengrin |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 13:56 - Jun 14 by Darran |
I've told the mods to ban Humpty he's run his course. |
I don't like bans. If someone is grating on you put them on ignore for a bit.
Angry people often make good points. I enjoy hearing what they have to say. |  |
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| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 13:59 - Jun 14 with 2242 views | Highjack |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 13:56 - Jun 14 by Darran |
I've told the mods to ban Humpty he's run his course. |
I think it would be good for his own health more than anything else. He is a remarkably angry young boy. |  |
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| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 14:04 - Jun 14 with 2240 views | blueytheblue |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 13:53 - Jun 14 by Lohengrin |
I thought I'd read or heard he was living in New York? To be a regular at an Orlando nightclub seems like an awful lot of driving. |
Well seems a number of people have come forward to say he was a regular there.
Guy was almost certainly so far back in the closet he was in Narnia. Probably conflicted given anti-gay remarks he'd made before.
The presented narrative of "homophobic terrorism" falls if that's the case, |  |
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| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 14:08 - Jun 14 with 2234 views | Lohengrin |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 14:04 - Jun 14 by blueytheblue |
Well seems a number of people have come forward to say he was a regular there.
Guy was almost certainly so far back in the closet he was in Narnia. Probably conflicted given anti-gay remarks he'd made before.
The presented narrative of "homophobic terrorism" falls if that's the case, |
It does indeed. | |
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| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 16:10 - Jun 14 with 2181 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 14:04 - Jun 14 by blueytheblue |
Well seems a number of people have come forward to say he was a regular there.
Guy was almost certainly so far back in the closet he was in Narnia. Probably conflicted given anti-gay remarks he'd made before.
The presented narrative of "homophobic terrorism" falls if that's the case, |
Actually it doesn't. It appears increasingly likely that this was a man who was himself gay and hated it due to his religion and specifically his father. He took out his self hatred on others who weren't similarly conflicted. What does appear to also be the case at the moment, is that he had absolutely no link to Islamic terrorists, ISIS or anyone else, but declared allegiance at the end as a way of deflecting the reasons for his hate as he thought perhaps it would be more acceptable to his father.
There are few people more homophobic Bluey than people that can't bear it in themselves. | | | |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 16:17 - Jun 14 with 2171 views | Sweyns_Eye |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 16:10 - Jun 14 by londonlisa2001 |
Actually it doesn't. It appears increasingly likely that this was a man who was himself gay and hated it due to his religion and specifically his father. He took out his self hatred on others who weren't similarly conflicted. What does appear to also be the case at the moment, is that he had absolutely no link to Islamic terrorists, ISIS or anyone else, but declared allegiance at the end as a way of deflecting the reasons for his hate as he thought perhaps it would be more acceptable to his father.
There are few people more homophobic Bluey than people that can't bear it in themselves. |
I wonder if this was a murder-suicide?
Couldn't live with his feelings, murdered people he'd associated with and would have been celebrated by ISIS if he'd have been with them, before they showed him to the roof of a tall building and then shown him the ground very quickly.
Of course we'll never know. |  |
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| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 16:20 - Jun 14 with 2168 views | blueytheblue |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 16:10 - Jun 14 by londonlisa2001 |
Actually it doesn't. It appears increasingly likely that this was a man who was himself gay and hated it due to his religion and specifically his father. He took out his self hatred on others who weren't similarly conflicted. What does appear to also be the case at the moment, is that he had absolutely no link to Islamic terrorists, ISIS or anyone else, but declared allegiance at the end as a way of deflecting the reasons for his hate as he thought perhaps it would be more acceptable to his father.
There are few people more homophobic Bluey than people that can't bear it in themselves. |
It's still gay on gay violence though, Lisa, in reality. Operation Trident in London focused upon black on black violence. People wouldn't attribute that violence to racism.
It was an act by a conflicted psychotic individual. Was he taking it out on people who were gay or was he taking it out on people as you point out who weren't conflicted.
I'd say it was neither homophobia nor terrorism based upon the classical definitions.
What it wasn't was what the ilk of Owen Jones want, direct evidence of the appalling way everyone treats the LGBT ( now LGBTI ) community. | |
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| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 16:24 - Jun 14 with 2166 views | Highjack |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 13:58 - Jun 14 by Lohengrin |
I don't like bans. If someone is grating on you put them on ignore for a bit.
Angry people often make good points. I enjoy hearing what they have to say. |
Some of planetswans greatest moments have come from angry nut jobs like humpty losing their rag. Long may it continue as its bloody hilarious. | |
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| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 16:25 - Jun 14 with 2165 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 16:17 - Jun 14 by Sweyns_Eye |
I wonder if this was a murder-suicide?
Couldn't live with his feelings, murdered people he'd associated with and would have been celebrated by ISIS if he'd have been with them, before they showed him to the roof of a tall building and then shown him the ground very quickly.
Of course we'll never know. |
I allow myself a wry smile at ISIS who fell over themselves to say he was one of them and a soldier of the Caliphate (despite fairly apparently never having heard of him before) now finding out he's probably gay.
It goes to show though that knee jerk reactions are often a very bad idea - something that perhaps Mr Trump may one day understand. | | | |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 18:34 - Jun 14 with 2135 views | Lord_Bony |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 16:25 - Jun 14 by londonlisa2001 |
I allow myself a wry smile at ISIS who fell over themselves to say he was one of them and a soldier of the Caliphate (despite fairly apparently never having heard of him before) now finding out he's probably gay.
It goes to show though that knee jerk reactions are often a very bad idea - something that perhaps Mr Trump may one day understand. |
Big PR problem for ISIS there and their promised virgins....
Absolute tragedy. |  |
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| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 18:36 - Jun 14 with 2132 views | Darran |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 16:25 - Jun 14 by londonlisa2001 |
I allow myself a wry smile at ISIS who fell over themselves to say he was one of them and a soldier of the Caliphate (despite fairly apparently never having heard of him before) now finding out he's probably gay.
It goes to show though that knee jerk reactions are often a very bad idea - something that perhaps Mr Trump may one day understand. |
I thought exactly the same thing earlier. |  |
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| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 18:45 - Jun 14 with 2126 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 16:20 - Jun 14 by blueytheblue |
It's still gay on gay violence though, Lisa, in reality. Operation Trident in London focused upon black on black violence. People wouldn't attribute that violence to racism.
It was an act by a conflicted psychotic individual. Was he taking it out on people who were gay or was he taking it out on people as you point out who weren't conflicted.
I'd say it was neither homophobia nor terrorism based upon the classical definitions.
What it wasn't was what the ilk of Owen Jones want, direct evidence of the appalling way everyone treats the LGBT ( now LGBTI ) community. |
I disagree Bluey - as I said, the most heinous homophobia often comes from those who are repressing it in themselves.
Not the same for black violence - trident was all about gang warfare, not people that were trying not to be black in the first place. There's no parallel.
I can't bear Owen Jones, but he was right on that Sky news thing. I don't mean necessarily right to walk out because that's just stupid, but the sky news presenter (not Julia HB) was trying to say it could have been any club and the fact it was gay was irrelevant. That's utter nonsense.
Edited to add - one only has to look at the actions of that elected Texan politician to see exactly how badly the LGBT community is treated in some circles. [Post edited 14 Jun 2016 18:47]
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| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 19:06 - Jun 14 with 2111 views | blueytheblue |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 18:45 - Jun 14 by londonlisa2001 |
I disagree Bluey - as I said, the most heinous homophobia often comes from those who are repressing it in themselves.
Not the same for black violence - trident was all about gang warfare, not people that were trying not to be black in the first place. There's no parallel.
I can't bear Owen Jones, but he was right on that Sky news thing. I don't mean necessarily right to walk out because that's just stupid, but the sky news presenter (not Julia HB) was trying to say it could have been any club and the fact it was gay was irrelevant. That's utter nonsense.
Edited to add - one only has to look at the actions of that elected Texan politician to see exactly how badly the LGBT community is treated in some circles. [Post edited 14 Jun 2016 18:47]
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The comment Owen Jones made just before leaving summed his mindset up. Reference to a Tatchell comment made, Jones said something like "Yeah, let a gay guy comment" or words to that effect. In his fevered ego he and he alone speaks for the LGBT community, how very dare anyone not take his words as gospel.
The point was the programme was reviewing the news content. As always, Jones wanted it made all about him.
The fact is... it could have been any club if it was a Daesh attack, although evidence shows ( Bataclan ) a Jewish owner would be a nicety. Jones wanted to portray the LGBT community as being under a massive worldwide attack as a consequence of this one incident. As it turns out, that was utterly wrong.
Ranking incidents on some sort of global scale, the LGBT community has been under far, far less attack than the Jewish community by Daesh. Jones wants to extrapolate for this own agenda. After all, LGBT rights in his beloved Venezuela are hardly amazing - no gay marriage for example.
He's a hypocrite wrapped in an enigma etc...
Utterly agree about that politician. | |
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| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 19:13 - Jun 14 with 2104 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 19:06 - Jun 14 by blueytheblue |
The comment Owen Jones made just before leaving summed his mindset up. Reference to a Tatchell comment made, Jones said something like "Yeah, let a gay guy comment" or words to that effect. In his fevered ego he and he alone speaks for the LGBT community, how very dare anyone not take his words as gospel.
The point was the programme was reviewing the news content. As always, Jones wanted it made all about him.
The fact is... it could have been any club if it was a Daesh attack, although evidence shows ( Bataclan ) a Jewish owner would be a nicety. Jones wanted to portray the LGBT community as being under a massive worldwide attack as a consequence of this one incident. As it turns out, that was utterly wrong.
Ranking incidents on some sort of global scale, the LGBT community has been under far, far less attack than the Jewish community by Daesh. Jones wants to extrapolate for this own agenda. After all, LGBT rights in his beloved Venezuela are hardly amazing - no gay marriage for example.
He's a hypocrite wrapped in an enigma etc...
Utterly agree about that politician. |
It couldn't have been any club - it was chosen because it was a gay club.
It's the same as saying that an attack on a synagogue could have been any place of worship - you know that would be untrue and the same applies here.
It's not a contest of hate. | | | |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 19:16 - Jun 14 with 2098 views | exiledclaseboy |
I think we can sum thus up in simple terms. One seriously mentally ill person deliberately took the lives of 50 other people.
Quite what more anytime needs to worry about is beyond me. |  |
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| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 19:18 - Jun 14 with 2097 views | blueytheblue |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 19:13 - Jun 14 by londonlisa2001 |
It couldn't have been any club - it was chosen because it was a gay club.
It's the same as saying that an attack on a synagogue could have been any place of worship - you know that would be untrue and the same applies here.
It's not a contest of hate. |
In this particular case by a gay man in denial, not by Daesh.
Why was Bataclan chosen? A hatred of American music or the fact the owner was Jewish? I can't recall Jones pointing that particular fact out.
Agree it's not a contest of hate. Which makes Jones petulance pathetic. | |
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| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 19:38 - Jun 14 with 2087 views | dailew |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 19:18 - Jun 14 by blueytheblue |
In this particular case by a gay man in denial, not by Daesh.
Why was Bataclan chosen? A hatred of American music or the fact the owner was Jewish? I can't recall Jones pointing that particular fact out.
Agree it's not a contest of hate. Which makes Jones petulance pathetic. |
Funniest thing I've seen in ages.
Jones the Warrior storming off. What a twerp. |  |
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| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 20:59 - Jun 14 with 2031 views | londonlisa2001 |
If she knew beforehand she should never see the light of day again Tummer. Lock her up and throw away the key. I personally would be looking at the father as well to do the same - disgusting man. | | | |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 23:53 - Jun 14 with 1983 views | Humpty |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 13:59 - Jun 14 by Highjack |
I think it would be good for his own health more than anything else. He is a remarkably angry young boy. |
No I'm not. I'm a remarkably calm type of chap. It's also pushing it a bit to describe myself as a young boy any more unfortunately.
I do however know gay people and wouldn't like to see them get murdered for being gay. I also don't like seeing people laugh about it.
You don't mind it. I do.
My health is fine. All the best. |  | | |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 23:59 - Jun 14 with 1964 views | Humpty |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 16:20 - Jun 14 by blueytheblue |
It's still gay on gay violence though, Lisa, in reality. Operation Trident in London focused upon black on black violence. People wouldn't attribute that violence to racism.
It was an act by a conflicted psychotic individual. Was he taking it out on people who were gay or was he taking it out on people as you point out who weren't conflicted.
I'd say it was neither homophobia nor terrorism based upon the classical definitions.
What it wasn't was what the ilk of Owen Jones want, direct evidence of the appalling way everyone treats the LGBT ( now LGBTI ) community. |
Fair play that's the best example of complete bollocks i've ever read. Operation Trident? What?
BTW are you Croesy? | | | |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 00:21 - Jun 15 with 1945 views | dailew |
LGBT rights at the United Nations
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| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 00:50 - Jun 15 with 1934 views | Humpty |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 00:21 - Jun 15 by dailew |
LGBT rights at the United Nations
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Not that long ago a Christian preacher called Kevin Swanson hosted a meeting that three Republican nominees for the presidency attended.
Kevin Swanson has openley advocated killing gay people.
And three people who wanted to be the President of the United States of America went to it. Can you believe that Dai? Three American politicians who want to be POTUS went to an event hosted by a man who wants to kill gay people. Mike Huckabee, Bobby Jindal and Ted Cruz thought that attending this event might win them votes. From people who want to kill gay people.
Enjoy.
http://www.advocate.com/media/2015/11/09/watch-rachel-maddow-breaks-down-pastors | | | |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 01:00 - Jun 15 with 1929 views | dailew |
| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 00:50 - Jun 15 by Humpty |
Not that long ago a Christian preacher called Kevin Swanson hosted a meeting that three Republican nominees for the presidency attended.
Kevin Swanson has openley advocated killing gay people.
And three people who wanted to be the President of the United States of America went to it. Can you believe that Dai? Three American politicians who want to be POTUS went to an event hosted by a man who wants to kill gay people. Mike Huckabee, Bobby Jindal and Ted Cruz thought that attending this event might win them votes. From people who want to kill gay people.
Enjoy.
http://www.advocate.com/media/2015/11/09/watch-rachel-maddow-breaks-down-pastors |
Terrible.
But where do you think a gay person would rather live?
The USA or Saudi Arabia?
Perhaps Iran, or Nigeria?
PS Not really into that guilty by association rubbish. Stuff like that was thrown at Sadiq Khan and Jeremy Corbyn. Don't like it and tend to rise above it myself. [Post edited 15 Jun 2016 1:06]
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| Yet another Terrorist atrocity on 08:33 - Jun 15 with 1867 views | perchrockjack |
Seems ban requests go in cycles.
Not thst long ago, my humble chapel self was banned for asking a question thst was deemed sensitive.
I never received a reply to my question nor an apology for such Ann ill judged ban.
The only posters that should be banned outright are those who defame.
As for humpty now being hammered, it just beggars belief.
Might as well ban Lohengrin for being a flowery tongued ,pretentious wordsmith who posts arcane words only to impress.
All mad.
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