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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 10:48 - Mar 11 by Kerouac
The SNP and good governance;
They are an "anti-austerity party", yes? They regularly complain about Tory cuts and promise to protect the Scots wherever possible from the cuts....but they could negate some of the cuts by raising taxes (a power a Lib Dem Scottish minister secured for them). Yet they refuse.
So they don't want to make any cuts and they don't want to raise any taxes. So the plan is.......to carry on overspending indefinitely!
That's not good governance.
The SNP would say yes but if we were independent we wouldn't need to take our fair share of the UKs overall debt (despite the bailing out of Scottish banks) and therefore austerity wouldn't be necessary..... ummm, except that the SNPs economic plan for an Independent Scotland relied heavily on North Sea Oil receipts.....and the price of oil has completely collapsed. WHICH MEANS THAT IF THEY HAD WON THEIR INDEPENDENCE REFERENDUM THEY WOULD BE IMPLEMENTING MASSIVE CUTS RIGHT NOW OR DOING SOME VERY EXPENSIVE BORROWING THAT WOULD IMPOVERISH FUTURE GENERATIONS OF INDEPENDENT SCOTS. The Scots would have been begging to rejoin the UK around about now.
Do the SNP hierarchy understand this? Yes they do. Do they get their heads down and concentrate on the governance of Scotland? No they don't. They continue to agitate for another referendum while opposing every cut from Westminster and even have the gall to interfere in matters that don't concern them at Westminster.
This is not responsible government. This is childish, irresponsible, sticking 2 fingers up to the English....a game of let's pretend at a time when we really need to be getting on with rebuilding the UK for our sons and daughters and grandchildren.
....Vote Plaid if you want to repeat this process down here in Wales. It is easy to be anti-austerity when you are spending other people's money.
You've got some valid points. We’ve got a “pocket money parliament” in Wales and there is a culture in Wales of just grabbing handouts and persistently complaining. Voting Labour has made Wales poorer. I think people generally and Wales as a nation should take more responsibility and we’d be better for it in the long term. OK, maybe we’re skint due to decades of neglect, however if we’re going to keep voting for the same parties things are going to be the same. At least Plaid offer a positive alternative to the “status quo” that has left us down over the years. Maybe I live in cloud cuckooland but so what. http://owenderbyshire.com/blog/why-im-backing-plaid-cymru
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 12:33 - Mar 11 with 1907 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 11:52 - Mar 11 by skettywestern
You've got some valid points. We’ve got a “pocket money parliament” in Wales and there is a culture in Wales of just grabbing handouts and persistently complaining. Voting Labour has made Wales poorer. I think people generally and Wales as a nation should take more responsibility and we’d be better for it in the long term. OK, maybe we’re skint due to decades of neglect, however if we’re going to keep voting for the same parties things are going to be the same. At least Plaid offer a positive alternative to the “status quo” that has left us down over the years. Maybe I live in cloud cuckooland but so what. http://owenderbyshire.com/blog/why-im-backing-plaid-cymru
RE: Cloud cuckooland
Not at all....voting for Plaid because you are for Independence and believe an independent Wales would become a more responsible Wales is a perfectly rational intellectual position.
I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of Plaid Cymru not putting that in their manifesto when it is the no. 1 goal in the party's constitution and the hypocrisy of being anti austerity when if Plaid win an overall majority in these Assembly elections they won't have the powers to increase taxes in order to pay for their anti-austerity policies.
They want to nationalise a power station to subsidise Tata with cheap energy....what are they going to cut in order to pay for that? Ahh, they'll say, but if we had the powers to raise more tax (or independence) we could do this. So you are in effect voting for a party who you know isn't going to tax you more and can't deliver on their anti-austerity promises (which is easy isn't it....much harder to vote for a party that is either going to tax you more or cut your services!...who will protest loudly like a bunch of students.... in order that they can make life more difficult for the grown ups who have to take the real decisions.
And the whole anti-austerity thing is a total fraud anyway as an Independent Wales would no doubt have to make cuts everywhere....just as an independent Scotland would have had to have been doing right now if they had won their referendum.
You'll also be voting for a party who can't possibly deliver on Independence....as only 3% of the Welsh public are for independence.
It just seems to me like a wasted vote.....but at least you have good reasons for choosing that vote.
An unscientific poll but very interesting result to date. If the recognised predictive polls came up with something like that then it would be squeaky bum time for Welsh Labour. I am not interested in the merits and demerits of independence for Wales. At this moment in time plaid seem to be the only party interested in the governance of the whole of Wales so they will do for me.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 14:03 - Mar 11 with 1878 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 11:52 - Mar 11 by skettywestern
You've got some valid points. We’ve got a “pocket money parliament” in Wales and there is a culture in Wales of just grabbing handouts and persistently complaining. Voting Labour has made Wales poorer. I think people generally and Wales as a nation should take more responsibility and we’d be better for it in the long term. OK, maybe we’re skint due to decades of neglect, however if we’re going to keep voting for the same parties things are going to be the same. At least Plaid offer a positive alternative to the “status quo” that has left us down over the years. Maybe I live in cloud cuckooland but so what. http://owenderbyshire.com/blog/why-im-backing-plaid-cymru
For the hundredth time - Plaid Cymru cannot access more money for Wales until the Barnett formula is altered. Plaid, and Labour are 'anti-austerity' but that doesn't mean either party at the Welsh Assembky level can influence the amount of money handed down in the block grant.
Can people stop talking about a difference to the 'status quo' as if that would actually change the amount of resources available to us. At the national level, Labour is fighting to change the Barnett formula to a formula based more closely on 'need'. Plaid Cymru cannot even hope to achieve this in Westminster for obvious reasons.
Does everyone get it now?! Jeez
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 14:29 - Mar 11 with 1869 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 11:52 - Mar 11 by skettywestern
You've got some valid points. We’ve got a “pocket money parliament” in Wales and there is a culture in Wales of just grabbing handouts and persistently complaining. Voting Labour has made Wales poorer. I think people generally and Wales as a nation should take more responsibility and we’d be better for it in the long term. OK, maybe we’re skint due to decades of neglect, however if we’re going to keep voting for the same parties things are going to be the same. At least Plaid offer a positive alternative to the “status quo” that has left us down over the years. Maybe I live in cloud cuckooland but so what. http://owenderbyshire.com/blog/why-im-backing-plaid-cymru
"Maybe I live in cuckooland but so what"
Well, support for an independent Wales is low and independence will not happen for a long time (maybe never). Thus, what the country actually needs is a government that is concerned with redistributing wealth in a fairer way. Plaid Cymru have only recently aligned themselves as 'left-leaning' and have served to undermine Labour nationally, contributing to consecutive Tory governments (along with other factors).
Go ahead and believe that Plaid Cymru are an effective vehicle for socialist policies to be adopted and economic justice to be served, but don't expect any sympathy when you realize that a vote for Plaid actually undermines that struggle.
Wales is part of Great Britain, the sooner people understand the consequences of that the better. And no, I am not in favour of independence. We would quite clearly be worse off since our tax base is significantly poorer.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 14:52 - Mar 11 with 1848 views
I've lost count of the number of posts, on this thread and others, which tell people they should not vote Plaid because the parties number 1 goal is independence.
If Plaid were to be the governing party in Wales there is no way they would hold an independence referendum because they would be humiliated. There's very little appetite for independence in Wales at the moment and the only thing Plaid would achieve is defeat at the following election. If they were in power they would have to govern well enough to stay in power for, perhaps, 20 years before people's attitudes may have changed.
What's important is what they would do now not what may or may not happen in 20 years time. Spreading investment around Wales instead of it all going to Cardiff has been the overriding theme of many threads and the fact is that Plaid have stated that this is what they WILL do. This will NOT change if Labour are voted back in.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 16:08 - Mar 11 with 1820 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 14:52 - Mar 11 by johnlangy
I've lost count of the number of posts, on this thread and others, which tell people they should not vote Plaid because the parties number 1 goal is independence.
If Plaid were to be the governing party in Wales there is no way they would hold an independence referendum because they would be humiliated. There's very little appetite for independence in Wales at the moment and the only thing Plaid would achieve is defeat at the following election. If they were in power they would have to govern well enough to stay in power for, perhaps, 20 years before people's attitudes may have changed.
What's important is what they would do now not what may or may not happen in 20 years time. Spreading investment around Wales instead of it all going to Cardiff has been the overriding theme of many threads and the fact is that Plaid have stated that this is what they WILL do. This will NOT change if Labour are voted back in.
Thankfully, someone hit on the right point. Yes, they are very left and yes, they probably do want independence, but you can't just hold a referendum, particularly, as highlighted, there is no appetite for it.
What we do know is that if we vote in Labour, there's another 5 years of woeful neglect. What has the WAG ever done for Swansea? How different was Cardiff 20 years ago before they spent billions there - of course, there will be another £800m spent there soon on a city deal. Makes me sick. I'd never vote for them again.
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 16:08 - Mar 11 by CopperJack
Thankfully, someone hit on the right point. Yes, they are very left and yes, they probably do want independence, but you can't just hold a referendum, particularly, as highlighted, there is no appetite for it.
What we do know is that if we vote in Labour, there's another 5 years of woeful neglect. What has the WAG ever done for Swansea? How different was Cardiff 20 years ago before they spent billions there - of course, there will be another £800m spent there soon on a city deal. Makes me sick. I'd never vote for them again.
Like I thought, neither of you seem even curious about how Plaid would actually secure more funding for the WAG.
Oh and I almost forgot, you said independence might need to come after "20 years of plaid" ruling.
Like I said before, our tax base is lower than the rest of the U.K.
Lower tax base = less tax revenue = less public spending
So, unless you start importing the wealthier people's from around the UK, then Wlaes will have a smaller pot from which to spend. Please tell me you understand that. It is rather important.....
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 18:35 - Mar 11 with 1786 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 18:11 - Mar 11 by nice_to_michu
Oh and I almost forgot, you said independence might need to come after "20 years of plaid" ruling.
Like I said before, our tax base is lower than the rest of the U.K.
Lower tax base = less tax revenue = less public spending
So, unless you start importing the wealthier people's from around the UK, then Wlaes will have a smaller pot from which to spend. Please tell me you understand that. It is rather important.....
Can't speak for JL and Copper but from my point of view it is recognised that Plaid cannot do much to get additional funding from Cental Government. The arguments should be put forward however in relation to our tax raising issues in a deprived area with an ageing population. My concern is that EXISTING funding should be distributed for the benefit of the whole of Wales not just the South East. It could be that, once the sums have been completed, that there will not be a huge additional funding for Swansea in the short term. There are likely to be more urgent needs in other parts of Wales. One thing for certain is that there would be considerably less in the SE. Blowing 2 plus years of the entire road spending infastructure on 10 miles of motorway in Cardiff would end for starters.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 20:24 - Mar 11 with 1760 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 18:35 - Mar 11 by Private_Partz
Can't speak for JL and Copper but from my point of view it is recognised that Plaid cannot do much to get additional funding from Cental Government. The arguments should be put forward however in relation to our tax raising issues in a deprived area with an ageing population. My concern is that EXISTING funding should be distributed for the benefit of the whole of Wales not just the South East. It could be that, once the sums have been completed, that there will not be a huge additional funding for Swansea in the short term. There are likely to be more urgent needs in other parts of Wales. One thing for certain is that there would be considerably less in the SE. Blowing 2 plus years of the entire road spending infastructure on 10 miles of motorway in Cardiff would end for starters.
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Thank you. Yes, Nice_to_Michu, I don't think they'll acquire extra funding. What I do think, is that we have a better chance of them distributing existing funding, than we do under a Labour Government who have proved over the past 20 years that they'll spend it all in Cardiff.
Do you remember what Cardiff was like at the beginning of the 90s? Before the Bay development (costing billions, and £20m every year, just to maintain) and St Davids/the Millenium Centre and before bunging loads of companies like PWC and Pinewood Studios to open there? Not very different to Swansea. But it's amazing what 20 years of a country's entire wealth centralised into one location can do.
Repeat after me. I. Will. Not. Be. A. Condescending. Arse. If. I. Don't. Understand. Their. Argument.
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 17:50 - Mar 11 by nice_to_michu
Like I thought, neither of you seem even curious about how Plaid would actually secure more funding for the WAG.
Repeat after me - They. Can. Not. Do. It.
Well, plaid will argue for fair funding for Wales in line with Scotland - which is common sense. Extra £1.2 billion per year. Its the right thing to do.
Scap Trident saves £160 billion. Also the right thing to do. Again plaid policy.
Vote for our lovely leanne.
Beware of the Risen People
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 07:32 - Mar 12 with 1692 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 00:43 - Mar 12 by Kilkennyjack
Well, plaid will argue for fair funding for Wales in line with Scotland - which is common sense. Extra £1.2 billion per year. Its the right thing to do.
Scap Trident saves £160 billion. Also the right thing to do. Again plaid policy.
Vote for our lovely leanne.
Labour have been asking for the Barnett formula to be scrapped for a few years now, so there is no difference in policy between labour and plaid there.
Jeremy Corbyn is also anti trident....
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 07:37 - Mar 12 with 1689 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 20:24 - Mar 11 by CopperJack
Thank you. Yes, Nice_to_Michu, I don't think they'll acquire extra funding. What I do think, is that we have a better chance of them distributing existing funding, than we do under a Labour Government who have proved over the past 20 years that they'll spend it all in Cardiff.
Do you remember what Cardiff was like at the beginning of the 90s? Before the Bay development (costing billions, and £20m every year, just to maintain) and St Davids/the Millenium Centre and before bunging loads of companies like PWC and Pinewood Studios to open there? Not very different to Swansea. But it's amazing what 20 years of a country's entire wealth centralised into one location can do.
Repeat after me. I. Will. Not. Be. A. Condescending. Arse. If. I. Don't. Understand. Their. Argument.
Well, to be fair a lot of the Plaid supporters seem to think that they will be able to change the amount of money being spent in Wales (see KilkennyJack above). So, the fact that you understand this is an impossibility is a step in the right direction.
But what still confuses me is how, despite the fact that you admit that Plaid will not increase our budget here (if anything, it guarantees that the budget will stay skewed in favour of the other devolved governments as Plaid will never be part of a government in Westminster any time soon), you still want them to win in May.
Essentially, choosing Plaid ensures that Wales scraps and fights for a relatively small budget to be spent more evenly around Wales (in your view), instead of going for a larger piece of the national pie from Westminster. We have to think of the bigger picture.....
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 09:35 - Mar 12 with 1662 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 07:37 - Mar 12 by nice_to_michu
Well, to be fair a lot of the Plaid supporters seem to think that they will be able to change the amount of money being spent in Wales (see KilkennyJack above). So, the fact that you understand this is an impossibility is a step in the right direction.
But what still confuses me is how, despite the fact that you admit that Plaid will not increase our budget here (if anything, it guarantees that the budget will stay skewed in favour of the other devolved governments as Plaid will never be part of a government in Westminster any time soon), you still want them to win in May.
Essentially, choosing Plaid ensures that Wales scraps and fights for a relatively small budget to be spent more evenly around Wales (in your view), instead of going for a larger piece of the national pie from Westminster. We have to think of the bigger picture.....
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I would suggest you are not thinking of the bigger picture by calling for the current set up to continue. You obviously don't think investment in Wales is suffering from a monumental disparity across the country. By allowing it to continue will just mean areas like Swansea becoming bigger backwaters that they are now. Please don't counter this with Universities and Hospitals as both these happen despite WAG, not because of them. I don't see Scotland suffering as a result of the SNP being in charge of the Region. I would suggest they now speak with a far stronger voice and have even played a huge part in the Sunday opening hours already. I suspect there will be more to follow. I am voting Plaid but I am actually a left wing Corbynite but to vote this way is a possible means to an end. The end being that ALL Welsh political parties recognise that there is a region to be governed and not just the South East. I take your point that it might not go as planned (politics is like football, nothing is certain) but to do nothing is not an option IMHO.
[Post edited 12 Mar 2016 9:39]
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 09:39 - Mar 12 with 1659 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 14:29 - Mar 11 by nice_to_michu
"Maybe I live in cuckooland but so what"
Well, support for an independent Wales is low and independence will not happen for a long time (maybe never). Thus, what the country actually needs is a government that is concerned with redistributing wealth in a fairer way. Plaid Cymru have only recently aligned themselves as 'left-leaning' and have served to undermine Labour nationally, contributing to consecutive Tory governments (along with other factors).
Go ahead and believe that Plaid Cymru are an effective vehicle for socialist policies to be adopted and economic justice to be served, but don't expect any sympathy when you realize that a vote for Plaid actually undermines that struggle.
Wales is part of Great Britain, the sooner people understand the consequences of that the better. And no, I am not in favour of independence. We would quite clearly be worse off since our tax base is significantly poorer.
You can't redistribute what doesn't exist in great enough quantities.
What the country actually needs is a government that will generate wealth.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 09:48 - Mar 12 with 1651 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 09:39 - Mar 12 by Dr_Winston
You can't redistribute what doesn't exist in great enough quantities.
What the country actually needs is a government that will generate wealth.
And this is right. You can't have wealth across the country without transport infastructure. Firms will not set up in inaccessible areas. This is one of the main drivers in the SE of Wales and it is no surprise therfore that they get the lion's share. Same applies in the UK with London having the same effect. There are attempts to balance this in England however, not so in Wales. The huge disparity continues here and it is openly encouraged by Welsh Labour and ignored, for the main part, by the other parties. Plaid being the exception.
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You have mission in life to hold out your hand,
To help the other guy out,
Help your fellow man.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 09:57 - Mar 12 with 1643 views
If our poll is a true reflection then a Plaid / Lib Dem combo is a real possibility. I doubt this will be the case but this could be good news for Rest of Wales should it happen. The Lib Dems have highlighted the disparity of investment. Peter Black as been quite vociferous about it even though it has not been touched by the Cardiff based and biased media.
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You have mission in life to hold out your hand,
To help the other guy out,
Help your fellow man.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 10:07 - Mar 12 with 1636 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 18:11 - Mar 11 by nice_to_michu
Oh and I almost forgot, you said independence might need to come after "20 years of plaid" ruling.
Like I said before, our tax base is lower than the rest of the U.K.
Lower tax base = less tax revenue = less public spending
So, unless you start importing the wealthier people's from around the UK, then Wlaes will have a smaller pot from which to spend. Please tell me you understand that. It is rather important.....
Well yes I do understand it michu but what you've quoted is not what I said. I actually said Plaid may have to stay in power for 20 years before people's attitudes may have changed.
May is the important word. After 20 years of a Plaid government attitudes may very well change. On the other hand they may not. I'm not advocating anything either way, just making the point that a referendum which may happen in 20 years, or 30 or 40 or maybe never is not what's important. What's important is what the government does now.
In your other post you said 'Like I thought, neither of you seem even curious about how Plaid would actually secure more funding for the WAG'. I also didn't mention extra funding. When I talk about spreading investment around Wales instead of spending the majority of it in Cardiff i'm talking about the budget as it is now.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 10:48 - Mar 12 with 1624 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 09:35 - Mar 12 by Private_Partz
I would suggest you are not thinking of the bigger picture by calling for the current set up to continue. You obviously don't think investment in Wales is suffering from a monumental disparity across the country. By allowing it to continue will just mean areas like Swansea becoming bigger backwaters that they are now. Please don't counter this with Universities and Hospitals as both these happen despite WAG, not because of them. I don't see Scotland suffering as a result of the SNP being in charge of the Region. I would suggest they now speak with a far stronger voice and have even played a huge part in the Sunday opening hours already. I suspect there will be more to follow. I am voting Plaid but I am actually a left wing Corbynite but to vote this way is a possible means to an end. The end being that ALL Welsh political parties recognise that there is a region to be governed and not just the South East. I take your point that it might not go as planned (politics is like football, nothing is certain) but to do nothing is not an option IMHO.
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Hit the nail on the head. Yes, we may not get more money, but can you honestly say you're happy with the status quo? When was the last time you observed the difference between Cardiff and Swansea.
They don't have a thriving city because it's naturally evolved over centuries. All that investment has come from our pocket and WAG spendig. I don't want i independence, as stated I'm a proud Brit, but I don't see how Labour will change anything. Several of us have written to AMs (Edwina Hart/Julie James) and they don't even bother replying. In fact, I did get a brief response from Julie who argued that we get parity because they built us a new hospital.
It's pathetic. They take credit for projects they have no part in (like the city centre regeneration), but they've done nothing for Swansea. Look what they've built in Cardiff, don't you want that investment here? Don't you want them bunging massive companies millions of pounds to bring their £30k+ salaried jobs to Swansea rather than Cardiff?
By all means, if you're going to vote Labour, speak to your AM and ask what they're going to do to change things, but all they'll say is they're investing in the city centre (which is a lie), they're supporting the city bid (they are, but not with money)/ and they invested heavily into the Bay Campus (which they didn't. They provided a fraction of the cost).
They rely on people's ignorance to keep them in. they've never had to fight for our vote and they treat us with utter contempt. Look at when they sold that land in SA1 and used the money (which they promised us) and spent it elsewhere in Wales - also lambasted in the media by Peter Black. This is not an isolated incident, it's been happening since 1997.
They rely on apathy to keep them in, not ignorance.
The people who vote for them are well aware that they're doing nothing to redress the balance. They just don't care enough to vote for someone else, or the idea of voting for someone else is repugnant to them for whatever reasons they provide.
As long as that situation continues, and it'll probably continue in perpetuity, then nothing will change. That's why I believe it's pointless the city whinging about it and they'll get more done if they go out there and work for it themselves.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 12:17 - Mar 12 with 1565 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 11:00 - Mar 12 by Dr_Winston
They rely on apathy to keep them in, not ignorance.
The people who vote for them are well aware that they're doing nothing to redress the balance. They just don't care enough to vote for someone else, or the idea of voting for someone else is repugnant to them for whatever reasons they provide.
As long as that situation continues, and it'll probably continue in perpetuity, then nothing will change. That's why I believe it's pointless the city whinging about it and they'll get more done if they go out there and work for it themselves.
How do you suggest they 'work for it themselves'? It should be 'ourselves' btw. If you mean lobbying politicians, informing Joe Public what us going on, and joining parties ensuring we get the right class of politician, then I agree with you. If you mean ignoring what is going on and merely work hard by being entrepreneurial then, admirable though that is, we would merely be pi$$ing in the ocean to warm it up.
You have mission in life to hold out your hand,
To help the other guy out,
Help your fellow man.
Stan Ridgway
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 12:27 - Mar 12 with 1557 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 12:17 - Mar 12 by Private_Partz
How do you suggest they 'work for it themselves'? It should be 'ourselves' btw. If you mean lobbying politicians, informing Joe Public what us going on, and joining parties ensuring we get the right class of politician, then I agree with you. If you mean ignoring what is going on and merely work hard by being entrepreneurial then, admirable though that is, we would merely be pi$$ing in the ocean to warm it up.
You've made a good point with the first one. The quality of local politicians is shit. You only have to look at the obstacles Swansea Council tried to place in the way of the Parc Tawe redevelopment to realise that they're perfectly capable of stifling the city themselves.
The latter I disagree with. Bristol has managed to redevelop huge swathes of itself over recent decades without the kinds of massive support Cardiff gets.
Point is it's not all about the WAG.They don't help, but Swansea is a city that can't get stuff done anyway.
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Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 13:07 - Mar 12 with 1537 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 08:54 - Mar 8 by CopperJack
The reason Plaid are nationalists is, like the SNP, they vilify everything English and British and are only concerned with Welsh independence. Latest poll suggested that only 3% of people want independence - thank heavens. It seems a majority are happy with a duel identity - and before you start, no, that does not make them 'Brit Nat Tories'. A nationalist is what you are, separatist.
People who are voting Labour - out of curiosity, why are you voting them? Because you always have, or do you think they've done a good job in Welsh Government (not national, Welsh Government).
Why vote labour?
Basically best of a bad bunch:
Plaid will always be hamstrung by the independence and Welsh language brigade.
The conservatives are government by the rich for the rich and have Murdoch the mail, telegraph behind them and have the BBC running scared. Want to take this country back to a position where the rich get richer and the rest should be thankful for anything. The fact that ordinary people vote for them show how powerful the press and spin can be despite the appalling things they are doing.
Lib dems have worked hard around here on a local level but have shown that they can't be trusted beyond that. Have considered voting for them but any vote for them would endorse the party nationally.
UKIP the equivalent of Trump supporters in the USA. Politics dressed up as non politics for bigots and the gullible.
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The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 13:12 - Mar 12 with 1537 views
The 2016 Assembly Elections: Which way will you be voting & why? on 12:27 - Mar 12 by Dr_Winston
You've made a good point with the first one. The quality of local politicians is shit. You only have to look at the obstacles Swansea Council tried to place in the way of the Parc Tawe redevelopment to realise that they're perfectly capable of stifling the city themselves.
The latter I disagree with. Bristol has managed to redevelop huge swathes of itself over recent decades without the kinds of massive support Cardiff gets.
Point is it's not all about the WAG.They don't help, but Swansea is a city that can't get stuff done anyway.
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I always think of Bristiol as being a massive under achiever. It is a large regional population centre, much bigger than us and in danger of swallowing up Cardiff at times. I tend to compare us to Coventry. Had the holy hell bombed out of them and applying for the Culture thingy at the moment. They are not doing well whereas others around them do Okay. I do not believe that 30 odd miles of motorway makes poorer councillors or less ambitions people. We differ from Coventry as our regional government does not give a stuff about us or the rest of Wales and the career politicians, supposed to be representing us, are only in it for the ride. Hence all the investment is on the doorstep of the Senedd. A regional government that recognises that it represents more than its surrounds can make a massive difference. Cardiff people and politicians are no better or worse than us. They have been helped big time and at the expense of the rest of the population.
You have mission in life to hold out your hand,
To help the other guy out,
Help your fellow man.
Stan Ridgway
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