| Palestine 14:20 - Jul 11 with 56475 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
When are Israel going to stop bombing the f@k out of Palestine murdering innocent children .
No condemnation from our government .
It must be to do with the multi millions of pounds given to the government for weapons by the dreadful zionists in charge of their state . |  |
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| Palestine on 10:56 - Jul 16 with 1587 views | Lord_Bony |
| Palestine on 08:42 - Jul 16 by oh_tommy_tommy |
The normal practise seems
An israeli gets murdered
Israel start bombing
Once they think that's enough for now they call a cease fire
Untill the next murdered Israeli
Repeat .
It seems this latest bombing spree was because of 3 israelians were murdered.
It's all dreadful stuff ,there will never be peace out there sadly . |
This is how it works more bombing and retribution,more land and rights taken away from the Palestinians ad infinitum,the cycle never ends.
Before those youngsters were killed nothing was said about the two Palestinians killed on the 20th May three weeks previous.
Netanyahu should be tried for war crimes what is going on in that part of the world is just sick. |  |
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| Palestine on 11:56 - Jul 16 with 1559 views | reddythered |
| Palestine on 10:56 - Jul 16 by Lord_Bony |
This is how it works more bombing and retribution,more land and rights taken away from the Palestinians ad infinitum,the cycle never ends.
Before those youngsters were killed nothing was said about the two Palestinians killed on the 20th May three weeks previous.
Netanyahu should be tried for war crimes what is going on in that part of the world is just sick. |
As long as Palestinians are also prosecuted for war crimes. It's not one sided.
Not much criticism or calls for action over the massacre committed by the PLO at Damour in Lebanon. |  |
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| Palestine on 12:34 - Jul 16 with 1539 views | perchrockjack |
I suggest any "artist" coming out in support of anything Israeili would be hammered.
As I say its a fashionable cause.
Neil Young recently cancelled a concert in Tel Aviv
And not Im not Jewish | |
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| Palestine on 12:42 - Jul 16 with 1532 views | controversial_jack |
| Palestine on 12:34 - Jul 16 by perchrockjack |
I suggest any "artist" coming out in support of anything Israeili would be hammered.
As I say its a fashionable cause.
Neil Young recently cancelled a concert in Tel Aviv
And not Im not Jewish |
As Israel would not permit it's leaders to answer to any war crimes, ignores any UN resolution made against itself, I think a boycott would be totally acceptable | | | |
| Palestine on 12:48 - Jul 16 with 1529 views | reddythered |
| Palestine on 12:42 - Jul 16 by controversial_jack |
As Israel would not permit it's leaders to answer to any war crimes, ignores any UN resolution made against itself, I think a boycott would be totally acceptable |
Stephen Hawking called for a boycott.
That's him f***ed, the processor for his equipment was designed there, so too the software from what I remember. | |
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| Palestine on 12:53 - Jul 16 with 1526 views | Lord_Bony |
| Palestine on 12:42 - Jul 16 by controversial_jack |
As Israel would not permit it's leaders to answer to any war crimes, ignores any UN resolution made against itself, I think a boycott would be totally acceptable |
I agree.
Israel should be treated as a piriah amongst civilised countries.it should be given the same treatment we gave South Africa under apartheid .
No artists,musicians or sports people will we send there.furthermore there should be economic sanctions imposed by the UN and countries in general will pull away.
Garza is like one giant concentration camp of nearly 2 million displaced people in a small strip.israel will not allow them to build even simple structures to advance their standard of living.
It s only by the world turning on Israel will the people from within change their way of thinking and their government. | |
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| Palestine on 13:01 - Jul 16 with 1514 views | Lohengrin |
| Palestine on 12:53 - Jul 16 by Lord_Bony |
I agree.
Israel should be treated as a piriah amongst civilised countries.it should be given the same treatment we gave South Africa under apartheid .
No artists,musicians or sports people will we send there.furthermore there should be economic sanctions imposed by the UN and countries in general will pull away.
Garza is like one giant concentration camp of nearly 2 million displaced people in a small strip.israel will not allow them to build even simple structures to advance their standard of living.
It s only by the world turning on Israel will the people from within change their way of thinking and their government. |
Don't hold your breath. |  |
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| Palestine on 13:11 - Jul 16 with 1497 views | jackb |
| Palestine on 08:18 - Jul 16 by jack_lord |
I'm sure you can look it up. |
no, i'd like your definition seeing as you claim it and evidence it's worse than other persecution - Put up or Shut up ! |  | | |
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| Palestine on 14:57 - Jul 16 with 1445 views | epaul |
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| The hair and the beard have gone I am now conforming to society, tis a sad day
The b*stards are coming back though |
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| Palestine on 15:00 - Jul 16 with 1441 views | Flashberryjack |
| Palestine on 12:53 - Jul 16 by Lord_Bony |
I agree.
Israel should be treated as a piriah amongst civilised countries.it should be given the same treatment we gave South Africa under apartheid .
No artists,musicians or sports people will we send there.furthermore there should be economic sanctions imposed by the UN and countries in general will pull away.
Garza is like one giant concentration camp of nearly 2 million displaced people in a small strip.israel will not allow them to build even simple structures to advance their standard of living.
It s only by the world turning on Israel will the people from within change their way of thinking and their government. |
Bloody hell......you really have a thing about the Israeli's don' t you, as your knowledge of the history of Palestine seems to suggest to me that you're being a little selectively in favour of Palestinians.
What's your feelings on all the atrocities carried out by Hamas, Hezbollah and the PLO ? |  |
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| Palestine on 15:33 - Jul 16 with 1428 views | reddythered |
| Palestine on 15:00 - Jul 16 by Flashberryjack |
Bloody hell......you really have a thing about the Israeli's don' t you, as your knowledge of the history of Palestine seems to suggest to me that you're being a little selectively in favour of Palestinians.
What's your feelings on all the atrocities carried out by Hamas, Hezbollah and the PLO ? |
They don't do any, I guess some would say.
I just love the right on leftie Labour MPs posting pictures of dead kids from Gaza. Except the photos were actually from Syria. Guess those evil Israelis are really evil - not just killing kids but killing them twice in different countries.
EDIT: The point above isn't intended to belittle the dead. Tragedy when people die. It's to point out one side is conducting a PR war and you have to question why they feel the need to fake deaths, reuse old photos etc.
My favourite though was Jenin, where the PA figure of "thousands" dead was woefully discreditted by the UN - although not publicised by the Western media. One "victim" carried on a makeshift stretcher falling off several tims; indeed, the video has hysterical when he fell off once, stood up and the crowd scattered at seeing a dead man re-animate. [Post edited 16 Jul 2014 15:34]
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| Palestine on 16:44 - Jul 16 with 1407 views | Lohengrin |
"The Jews, I find, are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as Displaced Persons as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog."
Harry Truman, 1945.
Not an awful lot has changed in the intervening years. | |
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| Palestine on 17:21 - Jul 16 with 1388 views | Lord_Bony |
| Palestine on 15:00 - Jul 16 by Flashberryjack |
Bloody hell......you really have a thing about the Israeli's don' t you, as your knowledge of the history of Palestine seems to suggest to me that you're being a little selectively in favour of Palestinians.
What's your feelings on all the atrocities carried out by Hamas, Hezbollah and the PLO ? |
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I have nothing against the people of Israel or Jews in general.
What I really object to is injustice,one powerful side picking on another who is much weaker.
As a result of this bullying innocent women and children are dying and living in hell.that's the bit I don't like sorry if it offends you.
I wonder if Palestine had an established modern airforce,navy and army would Israel be so bold then...don t think so somehow.
Of course atrocious act have been carried out by the Palestinians but they pale into insignificance against the carnage and misery Israel have inflicted on those poor people,any people would rise up against an antagonistic neighbour and try and fight back. | |
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| Palestine on 17:28 - Jul 16 with 1382 views | reddythered |
| Palestine on 16:44 - Jul 16 by Lohengrin |
"The Jews, I find, are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as Displaced Persons as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog."
Harry Truman, 1945.
Not an awful lot has changed in the intervening years. |
Anti-semitism? No, it hasn't changed much.
Unless you want to lump every Jew into a single reprehensible stereotype.
I mean, they really mistreated the granddaughter of the Hamas leader by giving them, errm, medical treatment to the best extent possible given her condition. How very dare they.
EDIT: re Truman quote; the following was selectively editted from the full quote.
"Put an underdog on top and it makes no difference whether his name is Russian, Jewish, Negro, Management, Labor, Mormon, Baptist he goes haywire. I've found very, very few who remember their past condition when prosperity comes." [Post edited 16 Jul 2014 17:35]
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| Palestine on 17:41 - Jul 16 with 1367 views | Lohengrin |
| Palestine on 17:28 - Jul 16 by reddythered |
Anti-semitism? No, it hasn't changed much.
Unless you want to lump every Jew into a single reprehensible stereotype.
I mean, they really mistreated the granddaughter of the Hamas leader by giving them, errm, medical treatment to the best extent possible given her condition. How very dare they.
EDIT: re Truman quote; the following was selectively editted from the full quote.
"Put an underdog on top and it makes no difference whether his name is Russian, Jewish, Negro, Management, Labor, Mormon, Baptist he goes haywire. I've found very, very few who remember their past condition when prosperity comes." [Post edited 16 Jul 2014 17:35]
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Very few of "The Jews" in Palestine are Semites, that's the first thing that needs to be stated loud and often. The Palestinians from 1945 onward found themselves in the same position as The Finns in 1939: their home was invaded by Russians.
What would you have the Palestinians do, just roll over and say " here you go, take it all?" What would any people do in their position? What would you do? | |
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| Palestine on 17:44 - Jul 16 with 1357 views | reddythered |
| Palestine on 17:21 - Jul 16 by Lord_Bony |
Ha
I have nothing against the people of Israel or Jews in general.
What I really object to is injustice,one powerful side picking on another who is much weaker.
As a result of this bullying innocent women and children are dying and living in hell.that's the bit I don't like sorry if it offends you.
I wonder if Palestine had an established modern airforce,navy and army would Israel be so bold then...don t think so somehow.
Of course atrocious act have been carried out by the Palestinians but they pale into insignificance against the carnage and misery Israel have inflicted on those poor people,any people would rise up against an antagonistic neighbour and try and fight back. |
Some of us remember "Arab" nations massing their forces. Wonder what happened to them? After all, Israel would be cowering surely based upon your claim.
It seems the generally accepted argument is "wah, Jews started it". Again, that's mostly ignorance of the situation. If people want to ignore the visits of the Grand Mufti to Hitler, well before the formation of what is modern Israel, eh....
There were many "Arab" nations more than willing to expel Jews when Israel was formed, after all. Hence going back to my main point, that there are very many geopolitical forces in play, to simplify it to a "bad Israel/not so bad Palestinians" is trivialising the reality of the situation.
The fact remains and has been the case for a long time that the Palestinians have been led down a particular path by leadership who have been nothing more than corrupt in Fatah and homicidal plus hypocritical in the form of Hamas. When petrol was scarce, Egypt arranged to supply some a few years ago. Hamas refused. Why? The refusal was because the petrol would have passed through an Israeli controlled area.
It is hypocritical to slate Israel and not to slate Hamas for the exploitation of deaths. Passing off pictures of dead children from Syria as being from Gaza? Cynically lying about the events at Jenin? | |
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| Palestine on 17:54 - Jul 16 with 1338 views | reddythered |
The fact is, like it or not, both parties need to come to the table.
Hamas? Look up their covenant. Aside from reading like an Arab Mein Kampf ( hey folks, Jews have all the power... all the influence... ). That the Arab-Israeli conflict was irreconcilable, only solution was Jihad. Cites the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. What? They forgot to add in the equally discreditted blood libel too?
But it's ok. Hamas tell us that. The Covenant no longer applies in full. It's just that they can't actually alter it. It's an internal thing, see.
Israel imo can work with Abbas, work with a unity government. Hamas are too bedded into a Jew/Muslim "holy war". That's serving nobody in the region any good whatsoever. For the sake of the Palestinians, Hamas needs to be destroyed, credible moderates need to take control and negotiate. | |
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| Palestine on 17:59 - Jul 16 with 1331 views | reddythered |
| Palestine on 17:41 - Jul 16 by Lohengrin |
Very few of "The Jews" in Palestine are Semites, that's the first thing that needs to be stated loud and often. The Palestinians from 1945 onward found themselves in the same position as The Finns in 1939: their home was invaded by Russians.
What would you have the Palestinians do, just roll over and say " here you go, take it all?" What would any people do in their position? What would you do? |
Very few are "Semites" for the simple reason of the diasporas. That needs to be stated loud and often. The bulk of the Palestinian population by 1945 were immigrants from the mid 1910s. The British census figures prove that.
Lumping people together is always silly. Would most Palestinians, knowing the fully situation have argued vehemently against a negotiated solution? Maybe, maybe not. Nobody will ever know.
Plenty of Arabs are living in Israel and fully integrated. Hence Hamas at times targetting Universities, hospitals. Israeli Arabs have sat in the Knesset.
Arguing a two state solution would never have worked is not only p***ing against the wind but also claiming there's never a solution. | |
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| Palestine on 18:00 - Jul 16 with 1331 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
Still they pummel Palestine ,
Still killing children today ,
Still they really don't care . | |
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| Palestine on 18:07 - Jul 16 with 1323 views | Lohengrin |
| Palestine on 18:00 - Jul 16 by oh_tommy_tommy |
Still they pummel Palestine ,
Still killing children today ,
Still they really don't care . |
On and on it goes... | |
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| Palestine on 18:10 - Jul 16 with 1317 views | Lohengrin |
"Very few are "Semites" for the simple reason of the diasporas."
Come off it, Red, do you honestly believe the incomers are descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes? | |
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| Palestine on 18:15 - Jul 16 with 1309 views | Lord_Bony |
Send in more planes kill,bomb,kill
More killed and the next day and the next
Hamas are you ready to have peace now and call a truce?
No Israel peace off we want nothing to do with you anymore.
Ok then,let them have it boys,kill,bomb,kill until they sign the peace treaty.
Next we ll send in the tanks and ground forces against the terrified population
That ll make them sign anything we want them to sign
Oh and while we re in there let's push the border back a bit more eh. | |
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| Palestine on 18:19 - Jul 16 with 1301 views | reddythered |
| Palestine on 18:10 - Jul 16 by Lohengrin |
"Very few are "Semites" for the simple reason of the diasporas."
Come off it, Red, do you honestly believe the incomers are descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes? |
Do you honestly believe all the incomers aren't? Given the diasporas, given the pockets of Jew worldwide in different ations, it's entirely possible.
Either way it's a completely irrelevant point as the influx of people into the region during the 1910s had no link to the area.
Can keep talking about all that and ignore what needs to happen for the future, which imo is as follows.
1) Hamas eradicated as a force, militarily and politically.
2) Moderate Palestinian representatives to emerge, who represent the whole of the population rather than a faction with the "ZOMGJEWPEWPEWPEW" mindset.
3) A two state solution.
Those are the only chances of peace imo. Even that is fairly simplistic because it deals only with Israel and Palestine. Syria isn't a credible player anymore - which Lebanon is deeply happy for I'd wager. Iran have gone quiet which is worrying. There are plenty of powers in the region that wouldn't necessarily be happy with any lasting peace. | |
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| Palestine on 18:44 - Jul 16 with 1276 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Palestine on 17:54 - Jul 16 by reddythered |
The fact is, like it or not, both parties need to come to the table.
Hamas? Look up their covenant. Aside from reading like an Arab Mein Kampf ( hey folks, Jews have all the power... all the influence... ). That the Arab-Israeli conflict was irreconcilable, only solution was Jihad. Cites the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. What? They forgot to add in the equally discreditted blood libel too?
But it's ok. Hamas tell us that. The Covenant no longer applies in full. It's just that they can't actually alter it. It's an internal thing, see.
Israel imo can work with Abbas, work with a unity government. Hamas are too bedded into a Jew/Muslim "holy war". That's serving nobody in the region any good whatsoever. For the sake of the Palestinians, Hamas needs to be destroyed, credible moderates need to take control and negotiate. |
That really should be a thread-ender to be honest. |  |
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| Palestine on 18:51 - Jul 16 with 1261 views | Flashberryjack |
| Palestine on 17:21 - Jul 16 by Lord_Bony |
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I have nothing against the people of Israel or Jews in general.
What I really object to is injustice,one powerful side picking on another who is much weaker.
As a result of this bullying innocent women and children are dying and living in hell.that's the bit I don't like sorry if it offends you.
I wonder if Palestine had an established modern airforce,navy and army would Israel be so bold then...don t think so somehow.
Of course atrocious act have been carried out by the Palestinians but they pale into insignificance against the carnage and misery Israel have inflicted on those poor people,any people would rise up against an antagonistic neighbour and try and fight back. |
Your opinion certainly doesn't offend me in the slightest
The total imbalance of your opinion that all the problems in Palestine are down to Israel, whilst conveniently ignoring the fact that, to date Hamas have continually ignored all offers of a ceasefire agreement from Israel, and continue to launch rockets into Israel indiscriminately, and it's only the Israeli forces ability to intercept these rockets that have kept the Israeli civilian casualty list so low.
As far as Israel not being so bold, if the Palestinians had a modern airforce, navy and army..... I suggest you take a look at the history books, before making such a comment, wasn't it a combined invasion by Syria, Jordan and Egypt, by land sea and air that was defeated so convincingly when they invaded Israel.
I'm not condoning all of Israel's actions, and certainly not condoning Hamas either, just trying to bring a little balance to this debate, which I see in the most as painting the Israeli's as the bad guy's and Hamas as the good guy's. | |
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