| Your Manifesto 11:20 - May 21 with 2646 views | Catullus |
If you were the Labour leader, what would you put in your manifesto? I'll start..... it's a bit of a ramble, as it comes to me.
Raise the personal tax allowance to 15000 but say anybody earning over 100,000 doesn't get an allowance.
Make the tax rate 25% for everybody, not have higher bands.
Scrap the tax relief for people investing in their business and replace it with a grant they can apply for (up to 40% of their investment) which will be claimed back if they don't employ extra staff.
Stop automatic foreign aid. Instead put the money into a fund (only 40% of what we currently give) and it has to be applied for. You have to have a business plan and agree it is overseen by a British official. Monies only released with his signature.
Stop universal benefits. Child benefit and winter heating allowances don't automatically go to millionaires. In other words, means tested.
Tell the EU our Parliament has primacy over legal decisions. Keep the human rights bill but re-write it. Terrorists and criminals can't use it to stay in the UK.
MP's, any MP caught cheating on their expenses gets an automatic jail term (3 years) and is barred from public office.
Make any non EU citizen pay up front before treatment, or if life threatening, they are held in a secure ward until payment is received.
Build more prisons and make it that no prisoner is released early for good behaviour, you serve your full sentence and parole only available in exceptional circumstances. If you misbehave you get extra time inside. Prisoners are given new rehab programmes, proper training apprenticeships in trades.
VAT is reduced to 12%, petrol duty is slashed in half, petrol duty escalator abolished.
An Australian style immigration policy is put in place. Even EU citizens have to show they have a job here or can support themselves before being allowed in. Any non British citizen who commits a serious crime gets deported an not allowed back. Minor crimes ( eg speeding ) have a 3 strikes rule.
Tell the EU we are cutting our contribution in half, all saved money sent to the schools, NHS and police.
Police recruitment accelerated until an extra 5000 police are on the street with foot patrols the norm instead of all police driving.
House of Lords abolished and replaced by an elected chamber with 4 year terms.
Gas, electricity and water are renationalised. Prices are cut and any profit is put into the treasury to help keep taxes down. All new buildings have to have solar panels fitted (at state expense) and a programme of solar panel installation instigated until every roof has them. It might be ugly but it ensures power supply.
Any money earned in this country, pays tax in this country or that company faces substantial, punitive tariffs.
All drivers have to re-test at their 70th birthday and sit a competency test every 2 years thereafter.
Schools again, tuition fees reduced for British children. School holidays reduced with individual areas allowed to set their own holiday dates.
Any children who aren't academically suited move onto a program where they are taught Maths and English to a high standard and other subjects replaced with vocational apprenticeships.
Government, number of Mp's reduced, FPTP replaced by a new system. You vote for the party you want in power first the choose your MP. It's not the number of MP's who decide who's in power but a winning percentage of votes. Mp's don't have second homes, a block of flats is bult in London and fitted out with all they need. No more claiming expenses on second homes.
NHS again, no vanity surgery available on NHS. No more boob jobs, nose jobs etc. You want it, you pay for it.
There's a start, what does anyone think?
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| Your Manifesto on 11:25 - May 21 with 2085 views | JackoBoostardo |
Stop being such a lying conniving scheming underbelly of society (aka a typical MP).
Stick to promises.
Think of the people you are intended to represent, and not your pockets.
Do what is best for your country, act with honesty and integrity.
If anyone can fulfil this most basic of requirements - then my vote is theirs. |  |
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| Your Manifesto on 11:28 - May 21 with 2082 views | Catullus |
| Your Manifesto on 11:25 - May 21 by JackoBoostardo |
Stop being such a lying conniving scheming underbelly of society (aka a typical MP).
Stick to promises.
Think of the people you are intended to represent, and not your pockets.
Do what is best for your country, act with honesty and integrity.
If anyone can fulfil this most basic of requirements - then my vote is theirs. |
OK, but it's not really a manifesto, just personal requirements for an MP!! | |
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| Your Manifesto on 12:37 - May 21 with 2051 views | Lohengrin |
That's, give or take, pretty much what The BNP say, Catullus. Do you imagine you'll find any echo of that in a Labour Manifesto?
I'll tell you what I'd like to see topping the list of any Labour Party election pledges:
We promise not to get British troops embroiled in any more overseas fiascos that have nothing to do with the British people. |  |
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| Your Manifesto on 14:35 - May 21 with 2027 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Your Manifesto on 12:37 - May 21 by Lohengrin |
That's, give or take, pretty much what The BNP say, Catullus. Do you imagine you'll find any echo of that in a Labour Manifesto?
I'll tell you what I'd like to see topping the list of any Labour Party election pledges:
We promise not to get British troops embroiled in any more overseas fiascos that have nothing to do with the British people. |
Agree ,although old Dai Cameron was ready to go into Syria if it wasn't stopped by the people of the Uk and majority of MPs |  |
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| Your Manifesto on 14:42 - May 21 with 2024 views | Lohengrin |
| Your Manifesto on 14:35 - May 21 by oh_tommy_tommy |
Agree ,although old Dai Cameron was ready to go into Syria if it wasn't stopped by the people of the Uk and majority of MPs |
It would have been complete madness. | |
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| Your Manifesto on 14:50 - May 21 with 2015 views | JackoBoostardo |
| Your Manifesto on 11:28 - May 21 by Catullus |
OK, but it's not really a manifesto, just personal requirements for an MP!! |
That's all the manifesto I'd need.
Everything else is an empty promise until it's done. | |
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| Your Manifesto on 19:47 - May 21 with 1983 views | exiledclaseboy |
Raise the personal tax allowance to 15000 but say anybody earning over 100,000 doesn't get an allowance.
No. Everyone should get the same tax free allowance on that portion of their earnings.
Make the tax rate 25% for everybody, not have higher bands
No, no and thrice no. That's a massive tax cut for higher earners. Where would the shortfall be made up from?
Scrap the tax relief for people investing in their business and replace it with a grant they can apply for (up to 40% of their investment) which will be claimed back if they don't employ extra staff.
Sounds like a bureaucratic nightmare. As a civil servant who makes his living out of pointless regulation, I'm all for it.
Stop automatic foreign aid. Instead put the money into a fund (only 40% of what we currently give) and it has to be applied for. You have to have a business plan and agree it is overseen by a British official. Monies only released with his signature.
There's no such thing as "automatic foreign aid".
Stop universal benefits. Child benefit and winter heating allowances don't automatically go to millionaires. In other words, means tested.
Agree in principle but the problem with means testing is that the inevitable filling in of complicated forms means that those that need it most miss out.
Tell the EU our Parliament has primacy over legal decisions.
Already does. Contrary to what UKIP tell us, very little can become law in this country without Westminster passing an Act of Parliament. If MPs don't like an law that originates in the EU, they can vote against it, refuse to transpose it here and deal with the consequences. It's happened before and will happen again.
Keep the human rights bill but re-write it. Terrorists and criminals can't use it to stay in the UK.
The HRA isn't written in a way that allows terrorists and criminals to use it to stay in the UK. Some judges very occasionally interpret it that way and those cases are well publicised, but they're few and far between. There's nothing wrong with the HRA.
MP's, any MP caught cheating on their expenses gets an automatic jail term (3 years) and is barred from public office.
Agree with barring from office but I oppose automatic minimum sentences on principle. They remove the ability of the presiding judge to take into account the individual circumstances of the crime.
Make any non EU citizen pay up front before treatment, or if life threatening, they are held in a secure ward until payment is received.
Imprison people who need(ed) life saving treatment? Don't make me swear at you now, I like you.
Build more prisons and make it that no prisoner is released early for good behaviour, you serve your full sentence and parole only available in exceptional circumstances. If you misbehave you get extra time inside. Prisoners are given new rehab programmes, proper training apprenticeships in trades.
If prison worked we'd be closing them down not building more. Use more and proper community sentencing, let half the people who are in prison and have no real business being there out and punish them using them doing much needed work in the community. That way we could keep prisons for those who really are a menace and danger to society and we wouldn't have to keep letting people out early to make room for others.
VAT is reduced to 12%, petrol duty is slashed in half, petrol duty escalator abolished.
Hello, there are some little pigs flying up in the sky. Where does that money come from?
An Australian style immigration policy is put in place. Even EU citizens have to show they have a job here or can support themselves before being allowed in. Any non British citizen who commits a serious crime gets deported an not allowed back. Minor crimes ( eg speeding ) have a 3 strikes rule.
Can't happen without leaving the EU. I know you're in favour of that so I won't argue the point. The NHS would probably fall apart at the seams though.
Tell the EU we are cutting our contribution in half, all saved money sent to the schools, NHS and police.
How much will that save?
Police recruitment accelerated until an extra 5000 police are on the street with foot patrols the norm instead of all police driving.
Extra police is good.
House of Lords abolished and replaced by an elected chamber with 4 year terms.
More elected politicians? In principle I'm in favour. In practice it may not work. An elected second chamber could challenge the supremacy of the Commons. The Lords is a revising and advising chamber now. Seems to work. Hereditary peers are more or less all gone.
Gas, electricity and water are renationalised. Prices are cut and any profit is put into the treasury to help keep taxes down.
YES! Finally you've said something I agree with.
All new buildings have to have solar panels fitted (at state expense) and a programme of solar panel installation instigated until every roof has them. It might be ugly but it ensures power supply.
Meh. Don't really know enough to comment.
Any money earned in this country, pays tax in this country or that company faces substantial, punitive tariffs.
Conservatives will tell you that will drive businesses abroad and cost British jobs. They're probably lying though.
All drivers have to re-test at their 70th birthday and sit a competency test every 2 years thereafter.
Not needed, not backed up by evidence or statistics. In fact, it's going the other way. I speak from experience. You'd be better off concentrating on younger drivers than pensioners.
Schools again, tuition fees reduced for British children. School holidays reduced with individual areas allowed to set their own holiday dates.
Scrap tuition fees and bring back student grants.
Any children who aren't academically suited move onto a program where they are taught Maths and English to a high standard and other subjects replaced with vocational apprenticeships.
Who decides and how whether a child is "academically suited"? Who knows what can happen with proper teaching.
Government, number of Mp's reduced, FPTP replaced by a new system. You vote for the party you want in power first the choose your MP. It's not the number of MP's who decide who's in power but a winning percentage of votes. Mp's don't have second homes, a block of flats is bult in London and fitted out with all they need. No more claiming expenses on second homes. -
FPTP replaced definitely. Reduce the number of MPs definitely. We may disagree on the detail of the replacement but in principle 40% of the votes gets a party 40% of the MPs. I'm constantly genuinely amazed how we've put up with the current clusterf*ck for so long.
NHS again, no vanity surgery available on NHS. No more boob jobs, nose jobs etc. You want it, you pay for it.
Agree in principle but what some people consider "vanity" surgery could have real mental and physical benefits for some patients. Not a blanket ban, just tighter control.
Phew. Knackered now. By the way, that is not the manifesto of a progressive, centre-left party that Labour purports/aspires to be. Most of it comes from way down the other end of the spectrum. It's the sort of empty populism so beloved of the far right. All sounds great in a one-liner, until you explore the detail. If you're not already, you should probably vote UKIP.
Many would consider me to be a "natural" Labour voter (although I haven't actually voted for them in a GE since 1997). I would never, ever vote for any party that espoused some of your ideas.
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| Your Manifesto on 20:20 - May 21 with 1961 views | Lohengrin |
Clase, I wonder what the opposite of "Populist" is when we think in terms of the old gang parties? Clearly "Aristocratic", the antonym that would usually suggest itself wouldn't apply.
What appellation do you think best describes them? Anybody? | |
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| Your Manifesto on 20:22 - May 21 with 1957 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Your Manifesto on 20:20 - May 21 by Lohengrin |
Clase, I wonder what the opposite of "Populist" is when we think in terms of the old gang parties? Clearly "Aristocratic", the antonym that would usually suggest itself wouldn't apply.
What appellation do you think best describes them? Anybody? |
I don't know to be honest. The problem with populism is that anyone who sensibly aspires to holding actual office has to eschew it, because it's mostly unworkable. | |
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| Your Manifesto on 20:28 - May 21 with 1950 views | Lohengrin |
| Your Manifesto on 20:22 - May 21 by exiledclaseboy |
I don't know to be honest. The problem with populism is that anyone who sensibly aspires to holding actual office has to eschew it, because it's mostly unworkable. |
Depending on the policy we're talking about If the political will is resolute and public opinion holds firm then, in all honesty, mountains can be moved.
After all wasn't your favourite Labour government of 1945 elected on an overwhelmingly populist ticket? | |
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| Your Manifesto on 20:41 - May 21 with 1930 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Your Manifesto on 20:28 - May 21 by Lohengrin |
Depending on the policy we're talking about If the political will is resolute and public opinion holds firm then, in all honesty, mountains can be moved.
After all wasn't your favourite Labour government of 1945 elected on an overwhelmingly populist ticket? |
A different age. I wasn't around in 1945 but I suppose you could argue that Attlee's Labour was elected by an exhausted, war-ravaged nation just looking for hope than for anything specific it was offering at the time. And what happened after five years of sweeping change that the public mostly embraced and enjoyed. Labour was kicked out on its arse next time around. Gratitude eh. 
You're right though, with the right will and a fair wind, things can be changed if you can get past the vested interests who will be fighting against change at all times. My point was that the kind of populism espoused by UKIP and others (including Catullus here) isn't a major philosophical and cultural shift like that which occurred in 1945. They're just line upon line of empty one liners, much of which will appeal to many but change very little. There's nothing new in it. That's what I was getting at really.
By the way, I had the pleasure of meeting Clem Attlee's grandson last year. Earl John Attlee, one of the few hereditary peers left in the Lords. A Tory peer now, believe it or not and he was at the time the Tory transport spokesman in the Lords. A lovely man, and the absolute double of his grandfather. | |
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| Your Manifesto on 20:44 - May 21 with 1923 views | PozuelosSideys |
Simplify the current tax structure we have in this country. Remove NI and roll it into the simplified tax structure.
Tax companies at the point of sale going forward. Draw a line under whats gone on historically with stiff penalties for evasion by aforementioned companies and wealthy individuals.
Scrap plans for HS2. Redistribute funding amongst public services.
Actively encourage R&D, Technology and Services outside of London & SE in hubs across the country. Ensure these are properly connected.
Means-test all benefits. That includes child benefit. Cap that to max 2 children per household. Non-UK passport holders must prove their family are living in the UK.
If immigrants intend to live in the country for at least 6 months (excluding students), must show means of long term employment, hold sufficient funds or have skills which are deemed useful to the nation. ie we dont need more accountants and have skills that preferably sit within tech and r&d.
Stop selling off the national silverware. Set up a list of key businesses and assets which are deemed 'vital' to the country. Mark them down as being 'not for sale'. The US do this. Certain industries need to stay within our control.
Develop cross-party consultations on key projects and strategies. This is done in Germany and seems to work.
Limit politicians on their assets owned. This would reduce conflicts of interest in a number of industries. ie politicians who are large shareholders in companies potentially influencing decisions and making money at the expense of the public. |  |
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| Your Manifesto on 20:52 - May 21 with 1913 views | dgt73 |
The withdrawal from nato and a position of nuclear armed neutrality, the withdrawal from the e.u, the reintroduction of the death penalty for certain crimes, the end to immigration and thats just for starters.. [Post edited 21 May 2014 21:03]
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| Your Manifesto on 21:42 - May 21 with 1887 views | Kilkennyjack |
Agree with Lohengrin on the wars 100 per cent. I would also promise to scrap the House of Lords and Trident. Promise to work for an united and peaceful Ireland, plus devo max for scotland and Cymru if the scots fail to vote Yes. Promise no referendum on Europe, we stay. Hand severn bridge to welsh government. Scrap all michael grove education changes. Stop privatisation of nhs. Renationalise the railways. Return labour to its working class roots and the trade unions. That's a good start. |  |
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| Your Manifesto on 22:35 - May 21 with 1865 views | epaul |
| Your Manifesto on 21:42 - May 21 by Kilkennyjack |
Agree with Lohengrin on the wars 100 per cent. I would also promise to scrap the House of Lords and Trident. Promise to work for an united and peaceful Ireland, plus devo max for scotland and Cymru if the scots fail to vote Yes. Promise no referendum on Europe, we stay. Hand severn bridge to welsh government. Scrap all michael grove education changes. Stop privatisation of nhs. Renationalise the railways. Return labour to its working class roots and the trade unions. That's a good start. |
All that and renationalise all the utilities, the GPO, royal mail etc. Referendum on becoming a republic (get rid of the leeches family) [Post edited 21 May 2014 22:37]
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| Your Manifesto on 15:51 - May 25 with 1779 views | Catullus |
| Your Manifesto on 19:47 - May 21 by exiledclaseboy |
Raise the personal tax allowance to 15000 but say anybody earning over 100,000 doesn't get an allowance.
No. Everyone should get the same tax free allowance on that portion of their earnings.
Make the tax rate 25% for everybody, not have higher bands
No, no and thrice no. That's a massive tax cut for higher earners. Where would the shortfall be made up from?
Scrap the tax relief for people investing in their business and replace it with a grant they can apply for (up to 40% of their investment) which will be claimed back if they don't employ extra staff.
Sounds like a bureaucratic nightmare. As a civil servant who makes his living out of pointless regulation, I'm all for it.
Stop automatic foreign aid. Instead put the money into a fund (only 40% of what we currently give) and it has to be applied for. You have to have a business plan and agree it is overseen by a British official. Monies only released with his signature.
There's no such thing as "automatic foreign aid".
Stop universal benefits. Child benefit and winter heating allowances don't automatically go to millionaires. In other words, means tested.
Agree in principle but the problem with means testing is that the inevitable filling in of complicated forms means that those that need it most miss out.
Tell the EU our Parliament has primacy over legal decisions.
Already does. Contrary to what UKIP tell us, very little can become law in this country without Westminster passing an Act of Parliament. If MPs don't like an law that originates in the EU, they can vote against it, refuse to transpose it here and deal with the consequences. It's happened before and will happen again.
Keep the human rights bill but re-write it. Terrorists and criminals can't use it to stay in the UK.
The HRA isn't written in a way that allows terrorists and criminals to use it to stay in the UK. Some judges very occasionally interpret it that way and those cases are well publicised, but they're few and far between. There's nothing wrong with the HRA.
MP's, any MP caught cheating on their expenses gets an automatic jail term (3 years) and is barred from public office.
Agree with barring from office but I oppose automatic minimum sentences on principle. They remove the ability of the presiding judge to take into account the individual circumstances of the crime.
Make any non EU citizen pay up front before treatment, or if life threatening, they are held in a secure ward until payment is received.
Imprison people who need(ed) life saving treatment? Don't make me swear at you now, I like you.
Build more prisons and make it that no prisoner is released early for good behaviour, you serve your full sentence and parole only available in exceptional circumstances. If you misbehave you get extra time inside. Prisoners are given new rehab programmes, proper training apprenticeships in trades.
If prison worked we'd be closing them down not building more. Use more and proper community sentencing, let half the people who are in prison and have no real business being there out and punish them using them doing much needed work in the community. That way we could keep prisons for those who really are a menace and danger to society and we wouldn't have to keep letting people out early to make room for others.
VAT is reduced to 12%, petrol duty is slashed in half, petrol duty escalator abolished.
Hello, there are some little pigs flying up in the sky. Where does that money come from?
An Australian style immigration policy is put in place. Even EU citizens have to show they have a job here or can support themselves before being allowed in. Any non British citizen who commits a serious crime gets deported an not allowed back. Minor crimes ( eg speeding ) have a 3 strikes rule.
Can't happen without leaving the EU. I know you're in favour of that so I won't argue the point. The NHS would probably fall apart at the seams though.
Tell the EU we are cutting our contribution in half, all saved money sent to the schools, NHS and police.
How much will that save?
Police recruitment accelerated until an extra 5000 police are on the street with foot patrols the norm instead of all police driving.
Extra police is good.
House of Lords abolished and replaced by an elected chamber with 4 year terms.
More elected politicians? In principle I'm in favour. In practice it may not work. An elected second chamber could challenge the supremacy of the Commons. The Lords is a revising and advising chamber now. Seems to work. Hereditary peers are more or less all gone.
Gas, electricity and water are renationalised. Prices are cut and any profit is put into the treasury to help keep taxes down.
YES! Finally you've said something I agree with.
All new buildings have to have solar panels fitted (at state expense) and a programme of solar panel installation instigated until every roof has them. It might be ugly but it ensures power supply.
Meh. Don't really know enough to comment.
Any money earned in this country, pays tax in this country or that company faces substantial, punitive tariffs.
Conservatives will tell you that will drive businesses abroad and cost British jobs. They're probably lying though.
All drivers have to re-test at their 70th birthday and sit a competency test every 2 years thereafter.
Not needed, not backed up by evidence or statistics. In fact, it's going the other way. I speak from experience. You'd be better off concentrating on younger drivers than pensioners.
Schools again, tuition fees reduced for British children. School holidays reduced with individual areas allowed to set their own holiday dates.
Scrap tuition fees and bring back student grants.
Any children who aren't academically suited move onto a program where they are taught Maths and English to a high standard and other subjects replaced with vocational apprenticeships.
Who decides and how whether a child is "academically suited"? Who knows what can happen with proper teaching.
Government, number of Mp's reduced, FPTP replaced by a new system. You vote for the party you want in power first the choose your MP. It's not the number of MP's who decide who's in power but a winning percentage of votes. Mp's don't have second homes, a block of flats is bult in London and fitted out with all they need. No more claiming expenses on second homes. -
FPTP replaced definitely. Reduce the number of MPs definitely. We may disagree on the detail of the replacement but in principle 40% of the votes gets a party 40% of the MPs. I'm constantly genuinely amazed how we've put up with the current clusterf*ck for so long.
NHS again, no vanity surgery available on NHS. No more boob jobs, nose jobs etc. You want it, you pay for it.
Agree in principle but what some people consider "vanity" surgery could have real mental and physical benefits for some patients. Not a blanket ban, just tighter control.
Phew. Knackered now. By the way, that is not the manifesto of a progressive, centre-left party that Labour purports/aspires to be. Most of it comes from way down the other end of the spectrum. It's the sort of empty populism so beloved of the far right. All sounds great in a one-liner, until you explore the detail. If you're not already, you should probably vote UKIP.
Many would consider me to be a "natural" Labour voter (although I haven't actually voted for them in a GE since 1997). I would never, ever vote for any party that espoused some of your ideas.
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I have some answers for you ECB,
On taxation, why should people pay such a massive amount more in tax. The tax allowance protects low earners, but high earners still pay more. Maybe so many high earners won't avoid tax my way.
Foreign aid, we give money to countries if they want it or not. Only last year an Indian government rep said they didn't want our money, but still it's sent. Sounds automatic to me!
The HRA, terrorists like Abu Hamza use it to avoid deportation. It took ten years to get him out to trial in the states. Other criminals have used the right to a family life to stay here. One criminal getting away with it is too much.
I'm not advocating locking sick people up. A secure ward doesn't mean a prison! It means somewhere where they are observed, where their documents are held securely so they can't do a runner!
If prison was a proper deterrent people wouldn't want to be there, community service doesn't work, in my limited personal experiences. Only recently two dangerous criminals walked out of open prisons and somebody on day release was caught running a drugs ring!
If VAT snd petrol duty were slashed maybe people would still spend their money, just thry would buy more with the same money. Maybe it would create jobs, boost theeconomy, cut unemployment and actually create higher tax revenues?
On immigration, Australia hasn't fallen apart has it? The people with the appropriate skills could still come here. Australia employs thousands of British, a lot of doctors and nurses. Why would we stop foreign medical staff coming here.
Maybe I should have added that in the benefits reform, people would need a ghod reason to refuse work on pain of complete benefits withdrawal.of course, we would need sensible people applying the rules!
In 2012 our contribution to the EU was nearly 14 billion, it has risen since and according to the Telegraph is due to be 40 billion by 2019. An astromomical figure.
On thr driving test, I agree that younger drivers need monitoring, but as we age we deteriorate. Our eye's get worse, our reactions slow down. I have seen old people who really should not be driving. We can't ignore that.
Not academic, a subjective term. My own nephew was called it and he agreed. He would have been much happier in proper job training, an early apprenticeship.
I know I missed some out, and no offence taken. I eould vote UKIP if they had a more extensive manifesto and I agreed with it.
Though lohengrin, it's hardly BNP stuff. There's no racism in there. Stricter immigration control is not racist.
It's hard to draw up a proper manifesto without the genuine figures on the countries income and expenditure!
And to call it populist, well winning an election makes you a populist choice. People have to agree with what you say, mostly, because no one agrees 100%.
Having drawn up a manifesto, you need to win an election and then find the strength to actually push it through.
When it comes down to it, the thing that people seem to hate the most is the lying, the deception and the denial of guilt/culpability for what's been done.
Ä–g, Mandelsohn, MP's expenses, people.....MP's should have gone to prison. Not just the few scapegoats that did. But many of them. Public trust is shot.
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| Your Manifesto on 15:57 - May 25 with 1778 views | perchrockjack |
United Ireland ? Really.never gonna happen.prejudices handed down . | |
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| Your Manifesto on 17:12 - May 25 with 1752 views | exiledclaseboy |
They aren't really answers to be fair, just a re-statement of your position which I've already countered. Needless to say I don't agree which isn't a surprise. | |
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| Your Manifesto on 11:55 - May 31 with 1652 views | Catullus |
They weren't restating my opinions as much as justifying them.
Eg, you dont think the HRA needs rewriting but I give reasons why I think it does.
The problem (as I said) with putting a manifesto on is one doesn't have as much information as one needs re finances. And I haven't provided enough detail on individual ideas. Mostly because it would take too damn long. But as an outline manifesto it's generally how I feel. It's more detailed than I've seen from UKIP so far!
And while you disagreed with most of it, you didn't provide your own ideas. Whuch was kind of the idea of the thread, not to argue the points but to state your own position. | |
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| Your Manifesto on 18:25 - May 31 with 1620 views | johnlangy |
First thoughts yes to re-nationalisation of gas, electricity and water (what about the railways - they are subsidised by about 4 times as much as when they were in Public ownership) and scrap House of Lords. No need for a second elected chamber. Just make sure the first elected chamber has people of integrity in it. | | | |
| Your Manifesto on 18:45 - May 31 with 1611 views | johnlangy |
| Your Manifesto on 22:35 - May 21 by epaul |
All that and renationalise all the utilities, the GPO, royal mail etc. Referendum on becoming a republic (get rid of the leeches family) [Post edited 21 May 2014 22:37]
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| Your Manifesto on 20:07 - May 31 with 1599 views | Lohengrin |
| Your Manifesto on 18:45 - May 31 by johnlangy |
Oh yes. Definitely. Forgot about them (the leeches). |
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| Your Manifesto on 20:20 - May 31 with 1588 views | Swanzay |
Why Labour, why not create your own party? |  | | |
| Your Manifesto on 21:22 - May 31 with 1576 views | rpark25 |
just a quick comment on renationalising utilities...
I work for one of the local utility networks. When the network was public, in South Wales alone we had around 20 depots and it was grossly overstaffed and very un-efficient (which ultimately costs the taxpayer)... we now have 5 fixed and a few smaller sites.
We had so many staff in the public days. We have a much leaner workforce than the 90's yet we are far more efficient (granted, modern technology means apparatus are now remotely connected which means each site doesn't need to be checked so often), but everything is performance driven with safety as the number one priority.
A lot of utilities are now owned by over-seas investors who run very tight ships. I cannot see how the utility networks can be made more efficient than how Ofgem / Ofwat / investors make us while providing a safe network, be it electric gas or water. | | | |
| Your Manifesto on 21:40 - May 31 with 1569 views | Catullus |
| Your Manifesto on 21:22 - May 31 by rpark25 |
just a quick comment on renationalising utilities...
I work for one of the local utility networks. When the network was public, in South Wales alone we had around 20 depots and it was grossly overstaffed and very un-efficient (which ultimately costs the taxpayer)... we now have 5 fixed and a few smaller sites.
We had so many staff in the public days. We have a much leaner workforce than the 90's yet we are far more efficient (granted, modern technology means apparatus are now remotely connected which means each site doesn't need to be checked so often), but everything is performance driven with safety as the number one priority.
A lot of utilities are now owned by over-seas investors who run very tight ships. I cannot see how the utility networks can be made more efficient than how Ofgem / Ofwat / investors make us while providing a safe network, be it electric gas or water. |
That shouldn't be an issue. It's long past time that public bodies were run efficiently. Public money should be treated like gold dust, not frittered away like it is plentiful.
In a renationalised company only the owners would change. Everything else about it should remain pretty much as it is and be subject to the same scrutiny and efficiencies that it is now.
And to add something, I would also have a national bank which offered low interest rate mortgages and loans. This so it encouraged other lenders to keep rates down. The bank would obviously be not for profit in the sense that all profits went to the exchequer (to help keep taxes down) and only British citizens can apply to it. | |
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