| A bit of perspective please! 07:34 - Jan 12 with 7033 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Yet again, we lose a game, and some have gone completely overboard in their reaction.
We have lost to a pretty crap PL team, but we are a pretty crap mid table Championship team which is not very good at retaining the ball.
I had no issue with that starting lineup. We all knew Walsh would start and that Morgan, Dunne and Smyth all desperately needed a break.
Should Ashby have been hooked at HT? Probably, but he wasn't.
What is the difference in the teams? For me, keeping the ball. We've proven games in the Championship can be won with 35% possession, but against PL, there is no chance. We have the ball, they can't score, it's not rocket science, but we desperately need a central midfielder who can control a game.
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| A bit of perspective please! on 12:40 - Jan 12 with 1441 views | thehat |
It's an interesting one this - I was quite happy with the team when I saw it before the game. Lot's of these comments are made with hindsight following the result.
Yes he could of made changes at half time but we had just got back in the game and for large parts of the first half played really well.
When it went to 4 v 2 then 5 v 2 it was game over no point bringing on Dunne then as it would of made no difference.
I think Marti definitely left Madsen on the pitch to hang him out to dry.
I get where everyone is coming from - I also think we were all surprised that Leicester went with such a strong line up especially as they have a very important midweek league fixture. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:41 - Jan 12 with 1426 views | Superhoops2808 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:00 - Jan 12 by Northernr |
We basically have this same thread every year don't we? I'm very much more with DaveB and GaryBannister on this issue. Particularly if, as I strongly suspect, our rested stars go to Plymouth and get beaten next week. |
But can we not have this thread when and IF we lose to Plymouth. I dont know enough about Plymouth to know what sort of team they fielded, but I suspect if they were fringe players they will want to try harder to prove they are worthy of a regular place under their new manager.
We worry too much about a game that has not even happened yet. I agree we should be mad about this weekend if it all goes Pete Tong next weekend. |  | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:42 - Jan 12 with 1430 views | Northernr |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:41 - Jan 12 by Superhoops2808 |
But can we not have this thread when and IF we lose to Plymouth. I dont know enough about Plymouth to know what sort of team they fielded, but I suspect if they were fringe players they will want to try harder to prove they are worthy of a regular place under their new manager.
We worry too much about a game that has not even happened yet. I agree we should be mad about this weekend if it all goes Pete Tong next weekend. |
Well, I'm pretty annoyed either way.
That was embarrassing yesterday, and our FA Cup record is an embarrassment in general. |  | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:46 - Jan 12 with 1410 views | Rangersw12 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:08 - Jan 12 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
You picked up on what my post was about. Thank you.
If a team can't keep the ball then it can't compete against the better teams. There was not a chance of winning that game yesterday, regardless of the team put out, if you spend 60 to 70% of the time trying to get the ball back.
Anyone ever thought that the reason we have had so many injuries is that the players are overworked trying to keep getting the ball back?
I am surprised that as a fan base on here (I'm assuming the majority is in its 40s upwards) that we haven't got more annoyed about this. We were all brought up on Rangers teams knocking the ball about. We can't do that now.
Though we lost, I was more embarrassed by how we can't, apart from a 20-minute spell, manage to keep the ball and control a game. We can't do it against Championship teams, so forget it against a PL team.
If that game yesterday showed anything, it is that we are desperately short of quality in that central midfield area. I ike my players to have more than just being able to run around and tackle. Hopefully, that can be rectified in the summer. |
It was a similar Leicester side that we easily beat last season at there place plus in this case they were on a terrible run and devoid of confidence.
We actually showed for a period in the first half that we could compete and were the better side that was until our great premier League loan player decided to start gifting them goals
You can shrug your shoulders and not care but the majority I spoke to yesterday were livid with that performance and team selection especially no subs at HT and we should not be conceding 6 to a shit Leicester side | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:49 - Jan 12 with 1394 views | timcocking |
They’re really sh!tty penalties, those ones where the defender is sliding to block and it smacks the hand. They need a rule change there, indirect free kick or something. Our lad did nothing wrong. Real kick in the balls, that. |  | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:59 - Jan 12 with 1337 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:46 - Jan 12 by Rangersw12 |
It was a similar Leicester side that we easily beat last season at there place plus in this case they were on a terrible run and devoid of confidence.
We actually showed for a period in the first half that we could compete and were the better side that was until our great premier League loan player decided to start gifting them goals
You can shrug your shoulders and not care but the majority I spoke to yesterday were livid with that performance and team selection especially no subs at HT and we should not be conceding 6 to a shit Leicester side |
We did control it, as I said for 20 minutes, that was it. We won't win many games doing that, hence the need for someone in that midfield area.
It was embarrassing yesterday, but for me, it was the manner of it, not being able to actually play football for a full 90 minutes
For the record, I really don't like having loan players, but it just shows how weak our squad really is. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 13:13 - Jan 12 with 1271 views | PunteR |
I'm definitely in the minority here as nearly 5k going to the game attest's to, plus some of the comments here and my WhatsApp group but i cant bring myself to get worked up about another 3rd round exit. We couldn't even string two passes together a few months ago so our upturn in form is a nice surprise. I'd rather we get a good consistent squad together this year and have a more realistic go at a tournament next season. |  |
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| A bit of perspective please! on 13:17 - Jan 12 with 1263 views | CiderwithRsie |
Very much agree with the OP.
Of course, perspective works both ways - it was a disappointing result, scoreline, and performance from some players - essentially, all of our weakest players (out of those available for selection and anywhere near the first team) showed all their flaws. No-one has to pretend otherwise.
But going out of the cup to a Premier League side who put a full-strength side out isn't that surprising, there was some good stuff on the attacking side of things in the first half, and I don't suppose the conditions helped much.
And it has been scientifically proven that Varane can in fact score goals after all! | | | |
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| A bit of perspective please! on 13:36 - Jan 12 with 1198 views | KensalT |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:46 - Jan 12 by Rangersw12 |
It was a similar Leicester side that we easily beat last season at there place plus in this case they were on a terrible run and devoid of confidence.
We actually showed for a period in the first half that we could compete and were the better side that was until our great premier League loan player decided to start gifting them goals
You can shrug your shoulders and not care but the majority I spoke to yesterday were livid with that performance and team selection especially no subs at HT and we should not be conceding 6 to a shit Leicester side |
You can't say that this is a similar Leicester side to last season and then say they're shit.
Leicester won the league last season with 97 points and 89 goals. For a long time people were talking about them getting 100 points and 100 goals. And by rights they probably should have done.
By comparison we finished with 56 points and 47 goals. Not much more than half what Leicester achieved on both counts.
Yes they have been on a losing streak, but that included games against Liverpool, Manchester City, Newcastle, Villa, and Wolves. Better sides than Leicester wouldn't get too much from that run of games.
They might be shit by Premier League standards but that doesn't make them easy pickings for us.
For what it's worth I was disappointed we didn't go with a stronger team. But even their own fans didn't expect them to go with a side as strong as they did. And even with our strongest team we would have been looking at penalties as our best shot of getting through. [Post edited 12 Jan 13:39]
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| A bit of perspective please! on 13:50 - Jan 12 with 1129 views | Rangersw12 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 13:36 - Jan 12 by KensalT |
You can't say that this is a similar Leicester side to last season and then say they're shit.
Leicester won the league last season with 97 points and 89 goals. For a long time people were talking about them getting 100 points and 100 goals. And by rights they probably should have done.
By comparison we finished with 56 points and 47 goals. Not much more than half what Leicester achieved on both counts.
Yes they have been on a losing streak, but that included games against Liverpool, Manchester City, Newcastle, Villa, and Wolves. Better sides than Leicester wouldn't get too much from that run of games.
They might be shit by Premier League standards but that doesn't make them easy pickings for us.
For what it's worth I was disappointed we didn't go with a stronger team. But even their own fans didn't expect them to go with a side as strong as they did. And even with our strongest team we would have been looking at penalties as our best shot of getting through. [Post edited 12 Jan 13:39]
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Someone above more or less said it would have been a miracle to get a win but my poorly made point was we won their last season and they had a similar team .
They're a Premier League team in name only and they will be playing us again next season .
I bet Marti won't treat that game with such contempt though . [Post edited 12 Jan 16:27]
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| A bit of perspective please! on 14:00 - Jan 12 with 1073 views | KensalT |
| A bit of perspective please! on 13:50 - Jan 12 by Rangersw12 |
Someone above more or less said it would have been a miracle to get a win but my poorly made point was we won their last season and they had a similar team .
They're a Premier League team in name only and they will be playing us again next season .
I bet Marti won't treat that game with such contempt though . [Post edited 12 Jan 16:27]
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I get that you're angry, and kudos to you for going to the game.
And you're right, if we play them in the league next season we will be fielding a better team than this.
But on a different point, if this had been a league game would it even have been played in that fog? I think at least one of the managers would have been throwing their toys out of the pram and demanding it be called off. Which to me suggests that aside from a small number of clubs with very strong squads the cups are becoming a distraction that most clubs at our level would happily do without. Which is a sad state of affairs. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 14:05 - Jan 12 with 1059 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| A bit of perspective please! on 13:50 - Jan 12 by Rangersw12 |
Someone above more or less said it would have been a miracle to get a win but my poorly made point was we won their last season and they had a similar team .
They're a Premier League team in name only and they will be playing us again next season .
I bet Marti won't treat that game with such contempt though . [Post edited 12 Jan 16:27]
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Whoever said it would’ve been a ‘miracle’ to win yesterday is very wrong: we were only 3-2 down at half time despite a weaker team selection and a few players having terrible first halves.
Make a couple of positive subs at half time to bring on your better players and we’d have had a chance of getting a result.
Sadly we didn’t bother doing this and threw in the towel instead both on and off the pitch. |  | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 14:17 - Jan 12 with 1010 views | kensalriser |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:00 - Jan 12 by Northernr |
We basically have this same thread every year don't we? I'm very much more with DaveB and GaryBannister on this issue. Particularly if, as I strongly suspect, our rested stars go to Plymouth and get beaten next week. |
As I've done them, take a look at the stats on league games following FA Cup games (on the momentum thread). |  |
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| A bit of perspective please! on 14:39 - Jan 12 with 945 views | captainmycaptian |
Right just to put this FA cup issue to bed. I have just watched a team of part timers in Tamworth hold and almost last minute nick a winner. A club massively ahead of them in terms of everything.
Why could we not hold our own against what was not a great see you next year Leicester????!!!! One of the Tamworth players was injured at work by stepping on a nail. Sorry just don't buy the bull as regards weaker team. Why are spurs nit 6 nil up ??
Next year a proper cup run end of it should be a priority success build success just look at Leicester...
Come on the Tamworth ... | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 14:42 - Jan 12 with 928 views | baz_qpr |
As I said in the match thread It was exactly the team I expected him to play. Smyth had a gash on his eye from Monday, Dunne also took a knock on his shoulder. Edwards was always going to start. If we played the same team from Monday Ashby still starts we still concede at least three goals.
Not much point in Frey playing in deep fog either and Kolli walks away with an assist and a goal.
For large parts of the game we looked the better team. Though it was pretty hard to see anything
We've conceded 6 keepers not made a save.
I dont think one of our squad gets in their team [Post edited 12 Jan 18:10]
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| A bit of perspective please! on 16:00 - Jan 12 with 777 views | kensalriser |
| A bit of perspective please! on 14:39 - Jan 12 by captainmycaptian |
Right just to put this FA cup issue to bed. I have just watched a team of part timers in Tamworth hold and almost last minute nick a winner. A club massively ahead of them in terms of everything.
Why could we not hold our own against what was not a great see you next year Leicester????!!!! One of the Tamworth players was injured at work by stepping on a nail. Sorry just don't buy the bull as regards weaker team. Why are spurs nit 6 nil up ??
Next year a proper cup run end of it should be a priority success build success just look at Leicester...
Come on the Tamworth ... |
Comparison against one other random game is meaningless.
Spurs played a weakened side too. And Tamworth lost 0-3. | |
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| A bit of perspective please! on 16:03 - Jan 12 with 766 views | paulparker |
I’m fed up of the mentality of our cukkold fans accepting a 6-2 defeat off a club who quite frankly can hardly buy a win and who were there for the taking
Plymouth, Tamworth , Bromley have shown us up yet again in how to play cup ties
We are an embarrassment with our cup record and Marti has to take the blame for yesterday that team he sent out was minging especially Masson and Ashby
Last year we won at Leicester with a worse team this year we supposed to be happy because the gap is so, so big between us and them |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| A bit of perspective please! on 16:40 - Jan 12 with 689 views | Headington |
When I first saw the team I thought it was 'strongish' but then the flaws of some of the players coming in were evident as the game got under way. I feel sorry for the young goalie who played well in the earlier cup game. We were good going forward (or at least that's what it sounded like from the audio commentary) but the fact that the defence hadn't played together seemed to be the problem. A strong Leicester team were clinical - 6 shots on target I think. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 17:26 - Jan 12 with 615 views | JamesB1979 |
I don’t necessarily disagree with some of the changes. But would Marti have played that team if it was a league game? Pretty certain Dunne, Nardi, Frey, Smyth and Morgan would have all played. And potentially Fox. That’s 5-6 changes. So, he didn’t take it as seriously as a league game. That’s fine if that’s what he thinks but he should say that. Previous managers have got pelters for similar decisions. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 17:47 - Jan 12 with 572 views | VancouverHoop |
Except in older fans minds the FA Cup clearly doesn't have the rep it once did. As a 76 year-old, I wish that it did, but I'm afraid that bird has flown. Younger fans, players and — especially — overseas coaches don't see it that way, especially in the top two divisions. It's very sad, but I don't think it's going to change. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 17:51 - Jan 12 with 534 views | stainrods_elbow |
| A bit of perspective please! on 16:03 - Jan 12 by paulparker |
I’m fed up of the mentality of our cukkold fans accepting a 6-2 defeat off a club who quite frankly can hardly buy a win and who were there for the taking
Plymouth, Tamworth , Bromley have shown us up yet again in how to play cup ties
We are an embarrassment with our cup record and Marti has to take the blame for yesterday that team he sent out was minging especially Masson and Ashby
Last year we won at Leicester with a worse team this year we supposed to be happy because the gap is so, so big between us and them |
Don Masson was playing yesterday? Though if he had been, I'm sure he'd still have done a better job than our Scandi phantom. |  |
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| A bit of perspective please! on 18:03 - Jan 12 with 516 views | ManinBlack |
| A bit of perspective please! on 17:51 - Jan 12 by stainrods_elbow |
Don Masson was playing yesterday? Though if he had been, I'm sure he'd still have done a better job than our Scandi phantom. |
First game drawn in 4th round. Man Utd v Leicester... |  | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 18:21 - Jan 12 with 465 views | vanrrrr |
| A bit of perspective please! on 18:03 - Jan 12 by ManinBlack |
First game drawn in 4th round. Man Utd v Leicester... |
Football gods having a larf! | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 18:31 - Jan 12 with 403 views | paulparker |
| A bit of perspective please! on 18:03 - Jan 12 by ManinBlack |
First game drawn in 4th round. Man Utd v Leicester... |
Plymouth away is a much bigger game there’s no way we could ever even compete with Man Utd
We dodged a bullet there with that draw | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| A bit of perspective please! on 18:48 - Jan 12 with 328 views | daveB |
| A bit of perspective please! on 14:42 - Jan 12 by baz_qpr |
As I said in the match thread It was exactly the team I expected him to play. Smyth had a gash on his eye from Monday, Dunne also took a knock on his shoulder. Edwards was always going to start. If we played the same team from Monday Ashby still starts we still concede at least three goals.
Not much point in Frey playing in deep fog either and Kolli walks away with an assist and a goal.
For large parts of the game we looked the better team. Though it was pretty hard to see anything
We've conceded 6 keepers not made a save.
I dont think one of our squad gets in their team [Post edited 12 Jan 18:10]
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Smyth came on so the cut eye can't have been that bad.
Bored of saying it as much as people probably are of hearing it but If that was a league game yesterday not a chance we put that team out and thats not right and sends out the message this doesn't matter which was clearly seen in the effort of some of the players. Freys non attempt to get the ball that lead to the 6th goal summed it all up |  | | |
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