| Slavery reparation 18:38 - Oct 24 with 5038 views | johnlangy |
It's all the rage at the moment so I have a thought.
The idea would be that the UK government would fund this in whatever way it was agreed whether that be simply loads of money or development investment in those countries or whatever.
It's fair to say that very few people in the UK benefited from the slave trade when it existed. A small number of families made absolute fortunes while the vast bulk of the population got nothing out of it.
But then the government agreed to provide compensation to those slave owners to make up for their 'loss of earnings' from the vile trade when it was abolished.
So they borrowed £20 million to provide that compo and we have been paying back that debt for the last 200 years (until 2015). That £20 million, allowing for inflation, would now equate to £16/17 billion.
So rather than saying we should all pay reparation why not make those families pay it all back. Let's say £50 billion. Sounds a nice number to me.
And if it was argued that in some small way we all benefited from the trade then it could be said that we've already paid our dues because the £16/17 billion came out of ordinary peoples taxes. |  | | |  |
| Slavery reparation on 19:00 - Oct 24 with 2227 views | Flashberryjack |
I wonder how much have we have already given to these countries in oversea aid ? |  |
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| Slavery reparation on 19:06 - Oct 24 with 2221 views | raynor94 |
Glad to see Reeves has said there is no way we will be blackmailed into paying anything |  |
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| Slavery reparation on 19:35 - Oct 24 with 2200 views | KeithHaynes |
Self made victims. |  |
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| Slavery reparation on 20:06 - Oct 24 with 2183 views | Boundy |
Listening to Andrew Neil debating with a professor Kuhdi Andrew from Birmingham University I couldn't help laugh when the Proffesor said that the Arab slave trade wasn't considered as important as that of the Atlantic slave trade. Interesting conversation all the same
https://www.thetimes.com/radio/show/20241024-28668/2024-10-24?login=true | |
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| Slavery reparation on 20:42 - Oct 24 with 2164 views | Flashberryjack |
| Slavery reparation on 19:06 - Oct 24 by raynor94 |
Glad to see Reeves has said there is no way we will be blackmailed into paying anything |
What she says and what she does, are two very different things | |
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| Slavery reparation on 21:47 - Oct 24 with 2126 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Slavery reparation on 20:42 - Oct 24 by Flashberryjack |
What she says and what she does, are two very different things |
Starmer vilified the Tories for record borrowing and record taxes.........watch this space! |  |
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| Slavery reparation on 22:09 - Oct 24 with 2112 views | KeithHaynes |
Lots of people benefited, including the people at source. | |
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| Slavery reparation on 00:11 - Oct 25 with 2072 views | DJack |
| Slavery reparation on 21:47 - Oct 24 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Starmer vilified the Tories for record borrowing and record taxes.........watch this space! |
The root of the problems which highlight the current state of the UK is down to 14 years Tory rule - they need vilifying. |  |
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| Slavery reparation on 08:54 - Oct 25 with 2026 views | onehunglow |
| Slavery reparation on 22:09 - Oct 24 by KeithHaynes |
Lots of people benefited, including the people at source. |
“ ordinary “ British people definitely did not benefit .
Take a look at living conditions at the time
Giving them reparations means more drugs coming our way | |
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| Slavery reparation on 08:55 - Oct 25 with 2028 views | AnotherJohn |
| Slavery reparation on 20:42 - Oct 24 by Flashberryjack |
What she says and what she does, are two very different things |
I thought "Surely they won't U-turn on this?". But then I read the papers today.
"PM rules out payments but could back non-cash slavery reparations Plan may involve debt relief and financial reform – but no apology ... Keir Starmer has opened the door..." | | | |
| Slavery reparation on 09:02 - Oct 25 with 2017 views | onehunglow |
| Slavery reparation on 08:55 - Oct 25 by AnotherJohn |
I thought "Surely they won't U-turn on this?". But then I read the papers today.
"PM rules out payments but could back non-cash slavery reparations Plan may involve debt relief and financial reform – but no apology ... Keir Starmer has opened the door..." |
Abbott will be pleased | |
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| Slavery reparation on 09:14 - Oct 25 with 2014 views | AnotherJohn |
| Slavery reparation on 09:02 - Oct 25 by onehunglow |
Abbott will be pleased |
Clive Lewis seems to be the cheer leader, but yes, all the usual suspects are on board - Abbott and the same ones named in the Kaba thread. They cannot cast off their feelings of victimhood, even when they succeed in rising to very well-rewarded positions. I am reminded of the story of feeding the crocodile - whatever we give will never be enough.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/08/clive-lewis-calls-for-uk-to-negoti | | | |
| Slavery reparation on 09:20 - Oct 25 with 2011 views | onehunglow |
| Slavery reparation on 09:14 - Oct 25 by AnotherJohn |
Clive Lewis seems to be the cheer leader, but yes, all the usual suspects are on board - Abbott and the same ones named in the Kaba thread. They cannot cast off their feelings of victimhood, even when they succeed in rising to very well-rewarded positions. I am reminded of the story of feeding the crocodile - whatever we give will never be enough.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/08/clive-lewis-calls-for-uk-to-negoti |
Clive Lewis
Forgot what a poisonous snake he was .
His constituents will love him though | |
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| Slavery reparation on 12:41 - Oct 25 with 1952 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Slavery reparation on 08:55 - Oct 25 by AnotherJohn |
I thought "Surely they won't U-turn on this?". But then I read the papers today.
"PM rules out payments but could back non-cash slavery reparations Plan may involve debt relief and financial reform – but no apology ... Keir Starmer has opened the door..." |
These nations can smell weakness and there’s a hell of a stench of it around. |  |
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| Slavery reparation on 13:16 - Oct 25 with 1940 views | onehunglow |
| Slavery reparation on 12:41 - Oct 25 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
These nations can smell weakness and there’s a hell of a stench of it around. |
I do wish we’d left those festering sores of countries alone .
However ,that would have meant the massive fortunes of the likes of meets Tate and Lyle wouldn’t have been made | |
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| Slavery reparation on 13:29 - Oct 25 with 1932 views | Flashberryjack |
| Slavery reparation on 12:41 - Oct 25 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
These nations can smell weakness and there’s a hell of a stench of it around. |
Can you imagine where the money would go if we did pay trillions in reparation.
I'd bet the ordinary Caribbean citzen would see very little of it, whilst the usual trough feeders would have an absolute ball spending it. | |
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| Slavery reparation on 13:59 - Oct 25 with 1914 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Slavery reparation on 00:11 - Oct 25 by DJack |
The root of the problems which highlight the current state of the UK is down to 14 years Tory rule - they need vilifying. |
Correct, but don't copy the buggers! | |
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| Slavery reparation on 14:05 - Oct 25 with 1910 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Here’s a novel thought. Why can’t the money be alternatively spent on stopping actual slavery that is happening right now to real life living and suffering people in our country.
More people live in slavery today in 2024 than at any point of human history. Dawn Butler and Dianne Abbott don’t seem to give a flying rats arse about them. | |
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| Slavery reparation on 16:07 - Oct 25 with 1848 views | AnotherJohn |
| Slavery reparation on 14:05 - Oct 25 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Here’s a novel thought. Why can’t the money be alternatively spent on stopping actual slavery that is happening right now to real life living and suffering people in our country.
More people live in slavery today in 2024 than at any point of human history. Dawn Butler and Dianne Abbott don’t seem to give a flying rats arse about them. |
Probably that wouldn't fit well with Diane's hierarchy of racism. It wouldn't just be black PoC. | | | |
| Slavery reparation on 16:54 - Oct 25 with 1809 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Slavery reparation on 16:07 - Oct 25 by AnotherJohn |
Probably that wouldn't fit well with Diane's hierarchy of racism. It wouldn't just be black PoC. |
It absolutely baffles me how someone can study history at one of the most prestigious universities in the world with all the greatest teachers and facilities money can buy and still know f all about history when she came out the other side. | |
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| Slavery reparation on 20:33 - Oct 25 with 1754 views | KeithHaynes |
Thoughts ?
I still call it Colston Hall.
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| Slavery reparation on 20:36 - Oct 25 with 1740 views | SullutaCreturned |
A few things puzzle me, why are these people always going after the UK? Or have I just not heard them going after other colonial powers of 200 years ago?
Why do they think people today who bear absolutely no guilt for or made any profit from that slave trade should be made to pay?
If this becomes a legal battle should we be asking Italy and the Scandi countries for reparations for what the Romans and Vikings did? What about France and the Normans? It's all quite ridiculous, it really is, if my great, great, great grandfather had robbed a bank and was never caught, should I be made to oay the money back today? There's also the problem of exactly how much, how do you place a value on the thousands who were taken and how much work they did?
Are the reparations mob going after the African tribes who took other African tribes prisoner and sold them into slavery,, what about Mansa Musa's descendants, are they going after them? | | | |
| Slavery reparation on 20:53 - Oct 25 with 1733 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Slavery reparation on 20:33 - Oct 25 by KeithHaynes |
Thoughts ?
I still call it Colston Hall.
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None of this money went to the victims of slavery.
Reparations is a valid debate to be had. |  |
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| Slavery reparation on 21:11 - Oct 25 with 1715 views | raynor94 |
| Slavery reparation on 20:53 - Oct 25 by Kilkennyjack |
None of this money went to the victims of slavery.
Reparations is a valid debate to be had. |
Thankfully King Charles and Starmer, shut down any talk of a debate.
All a long time ago, how far back do you want to go | |
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| Slavery reparation on 21:14 - Oct 25 with 1715 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Slavery reparation on 20:53 - Oct 25 by Kilkennyjack |
None of this money went to the victims of slavery.
Reparations is a valid debate to be had. |
Are you personally responsible for any of the slavery that happened 200 years ago? If the answer is no then why should you, why should any of us today have to pay for it?
Those whose fortunes were built on slavery, they should be the ones paying. | | | |
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