| Ricky Jones on 15:21 - Sep 6 with 2086 views | Flashberryjack |
They don't call him 2 tier Keir for nothing. |  |
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| Ricky Jones on 15:42 - Sep 6 with 2075 views | Luther27 |
If you believe justice in this country is fair then you’re a fool. |  | | |
| Ricky Jones on 17:21 - Sep 6 with 1994 views | Boundy |
| Ricky Jones on 15:21 - Sep 6 by Flashberryjack |
They don't call him 2 tier Keir for nothing. |
You can't say that , otherwise the bu*tards will arrest you . Still now charges against the two who attacked the police at Manchester airport , now why not I wonder. . | |
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| Ricky Jones on 00:52 - Sep 7 with 1887 views | majorraglan |
If you took the time to understand how the criminal justice system works you’d see that there aren’t double standards at play here. There’s a glaring difference between this case and the other cases where people have been imprisoned for their part in the disorder.
Everyone who’s been sent down has pleaded guilty to the offence with which they were charged, doing so enables them to get the biggest discount on the sentence because of their Guilty plea. Ricky Jones is contesting the allegation and has pleaded not guilty - you can’t sentence someone if they haven’t pleaded guilty or been found guilty.
He was Charged, appeared at Magistrates Court where he was remanded in Custody until today. He appeared in Court today, pleaded Not Guilty and was remanded back in Court story pending trial. If convicted this guy will get more porridge than the others because he won’t get the discount for an early guilty plea. | | | |
| Ricky Jones on 00:58 - Sep 7 with 1874 views | majorraglan |
| Ricky Jones on 15:21 - Sep 6 by Flashberryjack |
They don't call him 2 tier Keir for nothing. |
Where are the double standards? Jones has pleaded Not Guilty hence the need to have a trial whereas the others have pleaded Guilty at the first opportunity and can therefor be sentenced. Jones is, in my opinion playing a strange game, because he’s risking additional porridge by missing * out on the early plea discount. | | | |
| Ricky Jones on 09:09 - Sep 7 with 1791 views | majorraglan |
Good enough. The guy put wood on to a fire which had been lit against the side of a building, it could have spread destroying a multi million pound building and injured or killed people. It could also have been the catalyst for many other copy cat attacks. | | | |
| Ricky Jones on 10:23 - Sep 7 with 1759 views | Boundy |
| Ricky Jones on 09:09 - Sep 7 by majorraglan |
Good enough. The guy put wood on to a fire which had been lit against the side of a building, it could have spread destroying a multi million pound building and injured or killed people. It could also have been the catalyst for many other copy cat attacks. |
Could have would have should have, I agree a stupid dangerous act deserves punishment but jailing someone who shouted aggressively at a police dog is beyond parody , and before you go searching he was also jailed for other offences but as far as I'm aware the police due to the role cannot be offended and if Brutus was taken aback by being called a bitch when clearly he wasn't then why was that on the charge sheet.
Strange that this labour party hasn't been greeted with the same euphoria as we saw when Blair came into power and public perception of what's happening in the UK is being ignored, yes people are wrong about certain aspects of res cent events but its pretty unusual that a newly appointed government is so unpopular in such a short space of time would ,could or should worry those in No 10. | |
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| Ricky Jones on 11:18 - Sep 7 with 1737 views | pencoedjack |
| Ricky Jones on 00:58 - Sep 7 by majorraglan |
Where are the double standards? Jones has pleaded Not Guilty hence the need to have a trial whereas the others have pleaded Guilty at the first opportunity and can therefor be sentenced. Jones is, in my opinion playing a strange game, because he’s risking additional porridge by missing * out on the early plea discount. |
He should be jailed until the trial due to the seriousness of the offence & taking into account the sentences being handed out to those who think differently than him.
The evidence is there for all to see. |  | | |
| Ricky Jones on 11:45 - Sep 7 with 1713 views | KeithHaynes |
I think he is in jail on remand ? |  |
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| Ricky Jones on 13:30 - Sep 7 with 1674 views | theloneranger |
| Ricky Jones on 11:18 - Sep 7 by pencoedjack |
He should be jailed until the trial due to the seriousness of the offence & taking into account the sentences being handed out to those who think differently than him.
The evidence is there for all to see. |
"Jones, who was remanded in custody after his last court appearance, appeared on a videolink from HMP Wormwood Scrubs to Snaresbrook Crown Court. He pleaded not guilty."
"District judge Oscar Del Fabbro ordered the defendant to produce a defence statement by October 25, and set a provisional trial date of January 20 next year at the same court." |  |
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| Ricky Jones on 19:28 - Sep 7 with 1595 views | majorraglan |
| Ricky Jones on 11:18 - Sep 7 by pencoedjack |
He should be jailed until the trial due to the seriousness of the offence & taking into account the sentences being handed out to those who think differently than him.
The evidence is there for all to see. |
As has been pointed out already he was further remanded in Custody and that’s where he’ll stay unless his barrister makes an application to a Judge in Chambers for his release on bail. To date there’ve not been any two tier or double standards in this case. | | | |
| Ricky Jones on 22:55 - Sep 7 with 1547 views | KeithHaynes |
| Ricky Jones on 19:28 - Sep 7 by majorraglan |
As has been pointed out already he was further remanded in Custody and that’s where he’ll stay unless his barrister makes an application to a Judge in Chambers for his release on bail. To date there’ve not been any two tier or double standards in this case. |
He is def going down the road after his trial, and time served on remand is far safer and better for him than in prison itself. | |
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| Ricky Jones on 08:52 - Sep 8 with 1480 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Ricky Jones on 22:55 - Sep 7 by KeithHaynes |
He is def going down the road after his trial, and time served on remand is far safer and better for him than in prison itself. |
Most of the people getting in trouble with these riots have been advised to plead guilty. I wonder why he’s gone down the not guilty route knowing he’s on camera committing the offence? |  |
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| Ricky Jones on 10:52 - Sep 8 with 1435 views | majorraglan |
| Ricky Jones on 08:52 - Sep 8 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Most of the people getting in trouble with these riots have been advised to plead guilty. I wonder why he’s gone down the not guilty route knowing he’s on camera committing the offence? |
He’s accepted using the words, but denied the offence of violent disorder would be committed whatever that’s supposed to mean. As Kieth has said, doing time on remand is easier and gives a prisoner more privileges, but he’ll be trading that for a longer stretch if he’s found guilty and sent down. | | | |
| Ricky Jones on 11:03 - Sep 8 with 1403 views | Whiterockin |
| Ricky Jones on 10:52 - Sep 8 by majorraglan |
He’s accepted using the words, but denied the offence of violent disorder would be committed whatever that’s supposed to mean. As Kieth has said, doing time on remand is easier and gives a prisoner more privileges, but he’ll be trading that for a longer stretch if he’s found guilty and sent down. |
Is this why some change their plea near the court date. Easier while on remand and with the time served taken off the total sentence. Playing the system? |  | | |
| Ricky Jones on 11:07 - Sep 8 with 1382 views | KeithHaynes |
| Ricky Jones on 08:52 - Sep 8 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Most of the people getting in trouble with these riots have been advised to plead guilty. I wonder why he’s gone down the not guilty route knowing he’s on camera committing the offence? |
Because he is very special, and thinks he is allowed to say it because he is on the side of good v evil. | |
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| Ricky Jones on 16:36 - Sep 8 with 1270 views | majorraglan |
| Ricky Jones on 11:03 - Sep 8 by Whiterockin |
Is this why some change their plea near the court date. Easier while on remand and with the time served taken off the total sentence. Playing the system? |
Very possibly.
Remand prisoners were held in a different wing and because they hadn’t been convicted they had privileges like extra phone calls to family, additional visits (possibly daily) from loved ones and slightly better conditions. Time spent on remand would then be taken in to account when custodial sentences were apportioned and would impact on the total time spent in prison. However, the government changed the sentencing rules a few years ago, so it probably doesn’t happen so often these days. Suspects who are “banged to rights” can be much better off pleading guilty as soon as possible because that way they get the biggest discount on their potential custodial sentence (around 30%). The discount then starts to decrease as the case progresses through the Court system, if a case goes to trial and the prisoners are convicted by a jury then they’ll not get any discount. The discounts are intended to save money and time. [Post edited 8 Sep 18:20]
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| Ricky Jones on 17:56 - Sep 8 with 1231 views | onehunglow |
| Ricky Jones on 16:36 - Sep 8 by majorraglan |
Very possibly.
Remand prisoners were held in a different wing and because they hadn’t been convicted they had privileges like extra phone calls to family, additional visits (possibly daily) from loved ones and slightly better conditions. Time spent on remand would then be taken in to account when custodial sentences were apportioned and would impact on the total time spent in prison. However, the government changed the sentencing rules a few years ago, so it probably doesn’t happen so often these days. Suspects who are “banged to rights” can be much better off pleading guilty as soon as possible because that way they get the biggest discount on their potential custodial sentence (around 30%). The discount then starts to decrease as the case progresses through the Court system, if a case goes to trial and the prisoners are convicted by a jury then they’ll not get any discount. The discounts are intended to save money and time. [Post edited 8 Sep 18:20]
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