| Climate Lockdowns 04:29 - Jan 14 with 6131 views | mangohilljack |
We know they are coming in 2024. (on trial) Oxford in particular.
Cities will be divided into zones confining residents to remain in their zones.
You will be allowed 100 days per year to leave your zone.
In order to leave you will need to get permission from the council.
Cars will be registered and travel will then be tracked by smart cameras some of which were rolled out throughout covid lockdowns.
Is this something that appeals to you? Will you comply?
It's a NO from me |  | | |  |
| Climate Lockdowns on 18:50 - Jan 14 with 1081 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Climate Lockdowns on 18:43 - Jan 14 by Scotia |
Yes. But it does seem to be going about it in a disruptive way. |
Are they or are people twisting it ? |  | | |
| Climate Lockdowns on 18:51 - Jan 14 with 1081 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Climate Lockdowns on 18:38 - Jan 14 by 1462jack |
We decide on something, leave it lying around, and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back.
Jean-Claude Juncker President of the EU commission 2014-18 |
That is exactly why everybody should payattention to politicians. When left to their own devices and given the freedom to act without supervision they do some very bad things.
Just look at Wales, over half of us don't even bother voting and look what we've got! | | | |
| Climate Lockdowns on 18:55 - Jan 14 with 1077 views | Scotia |
| Climate Lockdowns on 18:50 - Jan 14 by Sirjohnalot |
Are they or are people twisting it ? |
It's definitely been twisted. That's why we've ended up here.
This Oxford trial seems to be needlessly complex and restrictive though. IMHO it could be counter productive. | | | |
| Climate Lockdowns on 20:11 - Jan 14 with 1037 views | Jack123 |
| Climate Lockdowns on 18:18 - Jan 14 by Scotia |
It's just that most things you need like shops, parks, schools and health care are within a 15 minute walk.
As Cat said, it's nothing new, don't over think it. |
I feel your remarks are disingenuous, it's entirely preposterous that a scheme like this would be valid, in any walk of life.
15 minute walk you say? In an overcrowded housing estate what are they going to do knock down houses, and build an Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys close by? Not forgetting people who struggle to walk. |  |
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| Climate Lockdowns on 20:20 - Jan 14 with 1028 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Climate Lockdowns on 17:42 - Jan 14 by Scotia |
I don't think "emergency" is too strong a word. There are lots of variables and models aren't perfect but global weather is following the predictions of climate models.
We need to consider it an emergency even if out of caution because the climate may (will) reach a tipping point after which some areas of the world are looking at a catastrophic situation. By then it will be too late to do anything about it.
We're doing a decent job in the UK in a move to minimising our impact on the planet. We could do more, but we're doing more than most. |
Complete unconfirmed garbage worthy of Greta herself.
Even the much adjusted global temperature is not following the models and the satellite data isn't even close.
The UK is completely wasting billions of pounds, while destabilising the grid, which will not make one iota of difference to the world's climate. | | | |
| Climate Lockdowns on 20:32 - Jan 14 with 1017 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Climate Lockdowns on 20:11 - Jan 14 by Jack123 |
I feel your remarks are disingenuous, it's entirely preposterous that a scheme like this would be valid, in any walk of life.
15 minute walk you say? In an overcrowded housing estate what are they going to do knock down houses, and build an Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys close by? Not forgetting people who struggle to walk. |
That is my whole point I guess. It didn't used to be this way. We didn't have massive housing estates with no local shops. Local shops died out after supermarkets started sprouting everywhere. Before supermarkets every neighbourhood had shops.
To get back to that then YES we would have to change buildings but not to put supermarkets in, just put local shops back.
Anybody who is 50 plus will remember local greengrocers, fruiterers and buthchers and food was much better too. It was fresh and not adulterated with loads of chemicals, meat wasn't padde out with water to make it heavier (which, to my mind is fraud anyway, adding water so it weighs more, selling chicken by weight, it should be the chicken only) and you could ask the butcher for any cut of meat and he'd do it there in front of you.
We will never get back to that though, the money men don't want small, local shops. There's no profit for them in that model. Another advantage back then was the economy was better balanced, there were plenty of local jobs. | | | |
| Climate Lockdowns on 20:43 - Jan 14 with 1013 views | Scotia |
| Climate Lockdowns on 20:11 - Jan 14 by Jack123 |
I feel your remarks are disingenuous, it's entirely preposterous that a scheme like this would be valid, in any walk of life.
15 minute walk you say? In an overcrowded housing estate what are they going to do knock down houses, and build an Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys close by? Not forgetting people who struggle to walk. |
It's how people have lived for most of their lives. And still do in most places.
It's nothing new. I live in Treboeth a 15 minute settlement. My mother in law is in Tudno, and struggles to walk far. She is in a 15 minute settlement.
This is nothing new in most places. | | | |
| Climate Lockdowns on 21:02 - Jan 14 with 993 views | Jack123 |
| Climate Lockdowns on 20:43 - Jan 14 by Scotia |
It's how people have lived for most of their lives. And still do in most places.
It's nothing new. I live in Treboeth a 15 minute settlement. My mother in law is in Tudno, and struggles to walk far. She is in a 15 minute settlement.
This is nothing new in most places. |
So in Treboth , you would actually go to the local corner shop? | |
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| Climate Lockdowns on 21:24 - Jan 14 with 984 views | Scotia |
| Climate Lockdowns on 21:02 - Jan 14 by Jack123 |
So in Treboth , you would actually go to the local corner shop? |
Yes. Not to do my entire weeks shop, but the option is there.
I can also walk to Parc Llewyllen, the pharmacy and the pub. It's not about anything more than that.
If someone offered me 100 passes per year to go in to Swansea in my car I would probably only use 10 of them (if that).
Genuinely there's nothing in this. | | | |
| Climate Lockdowns on 22:00 - Jan 14 with 950 views | Sirjohnalot |
Get all our meat from the local butchers. Much better quality | | | |
| Climate Lockdowns on 22:18 - Jan 14 with 927 views | Jack123 |
| Climate Lockdowns on 21:24 - Jan 14 by Scotia |
Yes. Not to do my entire weeks shop, but the option is there.
I can also walk to Parc Llewyllen, the pharmacy and the pub. It's not about anything more than that.
If someone offered me 100 passes per year to go in to Swansea in my car I would probably only use 10 of them (if that).
Genuinely there's nothing in this. |
It's not feasible what they are suggesting, and it will never work. Local shop? Yeah tidy darts pay double the price of Asda/Tesco. | |
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| Climate Lockdowns on 22:29 - Jan 14 with 907 views | Scotia |
| Climate Lockdowns on 22:18 - Jan 14 by Jack123 |
It's not feasible what they are suggesting, and it will never work. Local shop? Yeah tidy darts pay double the price of Asda/Tesco. |
That's not what they're suggesting.
All this is about is you can get what you need where you live and reduce pollution.
I do my shopping in Aldi but if I need anything else I can walk to get it. Lots of people can't do that. | | | |
| Climate Lockdowns on 22:40 - Jan 14 with 897 views | Jack123 |
| Climate Lockdowns on 22:29 - Jan 14 by Scotia |
That's not what they're suggesting.
All this is about is you can get what you need where you live and reduce pollution.
I do my shopping in Aldi but if I need anything else I can walk to get it. Lots of people can't do that. |
Really? So a woman in her 50s or 60s living in shall we say Gendros, is going to walk to Aldis in Cwndu, get her shopping, and that will make a significant impact? Do you really think that? | |
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| Climate Lockdowns on 22:46 - Jan 14 with 889 views | Scotia |
| Climate Lockdowns on 22:40 - Jan 14 by Jack123 |
Really? So a woman in her 50s or 60s living in shall we say Gendros, is going to walk to Aldis in Cwndu, get her shopping, and that will make a significant impact? Do you really think that? |
Your missing the point I think.
It's not about anything to do with climate change, its about having a better life. We've got it in Swansea in most cases but many others haven't. | | | |
| Climate Lockdowns on 06:47 - Jan 15 with 850 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Climate Lockdowns on 22:46 - Jan 14 by Scotia |
Your missing the point I think.
It's not about anything to do with climate change, its about having a better life. We've got it in Swansea in most cases but many others haven't. |
To me it's the Supermarkets that are the problem. They have ruined small, local shops and put many out of business, starting with the butchers and grocers. These days they are busy cutting jobs too, using technology to replace humans, we all see the automated tills.
Then there's the food, much of it wrapped in plastic andnowhere nearas fresh as I'd like. So much of it kept in refrigerated containers on its journey here. Food produced locally would be much more sustainable, as indeed it used to be. We have always imported food but nowhere near the percentages we import today.
Then transport, because there were many local jobs people didn't travel so far, obviously. In a lot of cases people could walk to work. When I was 22 I didnt own a car, I walked to work which took 2/3 minutes. To watch the Swans I caught a bus, I wouldnt have driven anyway because I liked a beer. I could buy most of what I needed locally, for the rest it was 20 minute bus ride into Swansea which isially meant a bit of planning ahead and only a few such trips per year.
Some younger people think this is an impossible dream, it culd never happen but why not because it used to be normal, it used to be how we lived before globalisation, before massive profit guzzling corporations; It used to be the way and people often say it was better and we were happier. We certainly didn't have some of the health problems we see today. Obesity wasn't such a large problem (no pun intended) and we didn't have so much asthma and I could easily be wrong but I don't remember or didnt notice conditions like food allergies, ADHD and other conditions being so prevalent. | | | |
| Climate Lockdowns on 17:59 - Jan 15 with 784 views | Scotia |
| Climate Lockdowns on 06:47 - Jan 15 by SullutaCreturned |
To me it's the Supermarkets that are the problem. They have ruined small, local shops and put many out of business, starting with the butchers and grocers. These days they are busy cutting jobs too, using technology to replace humans, we all see the automated tills.
Then there's the food, much of it wrapped in plastic andnowhere nearas fresh as I'd like. So much of it kept in refrigerated containers on its journey here. Food produced locally would be much more sustainable, as indeed it used to be. We have always imported food but nowhere near the percentages we import today.
Then transport, because there were many local jobs people didn't travel so far, obviously. In a lot of cases people could walk to work. When I was 22 I didnt own a car, I walked to work which took 2/3 minutes. To watch the Swans I caught a bus, I wouldnt have driven anyway because I liked a beer. I could buy most of what I needed locally, for the rest it was 20 minute bus ride into Swansea which isially meant a bit of planning ahead and only a few such trips per year.
Some younger people think this is an impossible dream, it culd never happen but why not because it used to be normal, it used to be how we lived before globalisation, before massive profit guzzling corporations; It used to be the way and people often say it was better and we were happier. We certainly didn't have some of the health problems we see today. Obesity wasn't such a large problem (no pun intended) and we didn't have so much asthma and I could easily be wrong but I don't remember or didnt notice conditions like food allergies, ADHD and other conditions being so prevalent. |
I agree with a lot of that I must say.
I'd love to be able to buy local wherever possible, but it's barely possible and stupidly expensive. I can remember going shopping with my grandparents, they didn't have a car and did all of their shopping by walking to Morriston. They bought bread from the bakery, fish from the fishmongers on woodfield Street and meat from the butchers just down from the Church.
Those were the days I suppose.
Thinking of it now, my other pet hate is food delivery apps. How bloody lazy are we nowadays? | | | |
| Climate Lockdowns on 18:06 - Jan 15 with 778 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Climate Lockdowns on 17:59 - Jan 15 by Scotia |
I agree with a lot of that I must say.
I'd love to be able to buy local wherever possible, but it's barely possible and stupidly expensive. I can remember going shopping with my grandparents, they didn't have a car and did all of their shopping by walking to Morriston. They bought bread from the bakery, fish from the fishmongers on woodfield Street and meat from the butchers just down from the Church.
Those were the days I suppose.
Thinking of it now, my other pet hate is food delivery apps. How bloody lazy are we nowadays? |
Too lazy to even bother putting trolleys back at the supermarkets and instead leave them all over the car park
Too lazy to walk their kids 400 yards to school. | | | |
| Climate Lockdowns on 18:25 - Jan 15 with 764 views | controversial_jack |
| Climate Lockdowns on 06:47 - Jan 15 by SullutaCreturned |
To me it's the Supermarkets that are the problem. They have ruined small, local shops and put many out of business, starting with the butchers and grocers. These days they are busy cutting jobs too, using technology to replace humans, we all see the automated tills.
Then there's the food, much of it wrapped in plastic andnowhere nearas fresh as I'd like. So much of it kept in refrigerated containers on its journey here. Food produced locally would be much more sustainable, as indeed it used to be. We have always imported food but nowhere near the percentages we import today.
Then transport, because there were many local jobs people didn't travel so far, obviously. In a lot of cases people could walk to work. When I was 22 I didnt own a car, I walked to work which took 2/3 minutes. To watch the Swans I caught a bus, I wouldnt have driven anyway because I liked a beer. I could buy most of what I needed locally, for the rest it was 20 minute bus ride into Swansea which isially meant a bit of planning ahead and only a few such trips per year.
Some younger people think this is an impossible dream, it culd never happen but why not because it used to be normal, it used to be how we lived before globalisation, before massive profit guzzling corporations; It used to be the way and people often say it was better and we were happier. We certainly didn't have some of the health problems we see today. Obesity wasn't such a large problem (no pun intended) and we didn't have so much asthma and I could easily be wrong but I don't remember or didnt notice conditions like food allergies, ADHD and other conditions being so prevalent. |
How many jobs did these small family run shops create in comparison to the supermarkets? Just saying! | | | |
| Climate Lockdowns on 18:35 - Jan 15 with 757 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Climate Lockdowns on 18:25 - Jan 15 by controversial_jack |
How many jobs did these small family run shops create in comparison to the supermarkets? Just saying! |
Well a lot actually, we're talking butchers, greengrocers and fruiterers, clothes shops, electrical shops, shoe shops and we are talking a LOT of them because they would have been in every neighborhood across every town and city.
Apart from that, as I pointed out, when we had the small, local shops we had less pollution, less plastics and healthier foods. | | | |
| Climate Lockdowns on 18:37 - Jan 15 with 755 views | Scotia |
| Climate Lockdowns on 18:35 - Jan 15 by SullutaCreturned |
Well a lot actually, we're talking butchers, greengrocers and fruiterers, clothes shops, electrical shops, shoe shops and we are talking a LOT of them because they would have been in every neighborhood across every town and city.
Apart from that, as I pointed out, when we had the small, local shops we had less pollution, less plastics and healthier foods. |
And probably better paid than a supermarket worker on minimum wage. | | | |
| Climate Lockdowns on 07:20 - Jan 16 with 716 views | Dr_Winston |
People talk about Supermarkets destroying local shops like the customers didn't have any say in the matter. They did.
They decided that supermarkets were cheaper and more convenient, so the little shops started dying. Just like they decided that out of town shopping centres were better than city centres, so city centres started dying. Just like they decided that shopping online was even better than driving to out of town shopping centres, so now they're starting to struggle too.
People can point the finger at Tesco, ASDA et al, but if the demand wasn't there they wouldn't exist. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Climate Lockdowns on 07:36 - Jan 16 with 712 views | jojaca |
| Climate Lockdowns on 07:20 - Jan 16 by Dr_Winston |
People talk about Supermarkets destroying local shops like the customers didn't have any say in the matter. They did.
They decided that supermarkets were cheaper and more convenient, so the little shops started dying. Just like they decided that out of town shopping centres were better than city centres, so city centres started dying. Just like they decided that shopping online was even better than driving to out of town shopping centres, so now they're starting to struggle too.
People can point the finger at Tesco, ASDA et al, but if the demand wasn't there they wouldn't exist. |
Nothing lasts forever, trends change. |  |
| Even when you know, you never know? |
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| Climate Lockdowns on 12:07 - Jan 16 with 683 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Climate Lockdowns on 07:36 - Jan 16 by jojaca |
Nothing lasts forever, trends change. |
…and we both know hearts can change, I love watching Swansea in the cold November rain | | | |
| Climate Lockdowns on 12:18 - Jan 16 with 680 views | Dr_Winston |
| Climate Lockdowns on 07:36 - Jan 16 by jojaca |
Nothing lasts forever, trends change. |
At some point no doubt concerns were raised at the declining number of blacksmiths. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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