| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? 14:33 - Aug 18 with 10819 views | KeithHaynes |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 21:40 - Aug 19 with 1841 views | Y_Cymro |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 21:25 - Aug 19 by vetchonian |
All this talk of "the Swansea Way" i would challenge anyone to actually define it or quantify it
There never has been a definitive "Swansea Way" it became a saying but actually it was constantly evolving....we played different football under Rodger to Martinez and differently under LAudrup to Rodgers, Laudrup plyaed with less width brought the likes of Routledsge an ddyer more infield.
Martinez , Rodgers and Laudrup like our previous manager all had at least one "special " player . Leon was a key for all of these but you can add Trundel in Lg1 for Martinez plus Scotland, Jordi Gomez, Bodde...the "Swansea Way " was the knack of finding "good value" for money players who fitted in and contributed to a team ....Rodgers had Sinclair , Borinii, Gylfi and Laudrup Michu.....just like Cooper had Ayew
Again I ask define waht is the "Swansea way" beacuse it was different under all the socalled "attactve footabll " managers ie Martinez, Rodgers, Laudrup I exclude Sousa hwo though he had a better league finish than Martinez is classed as bein g as dull asdishwater rather like ou rlast manager |
Under Martinez, Rodgers and laudrup we played with wingers. Yes the tactics varied with width etc. But we always had players capable of taking on a defender 1v1. That's what I saw as the Swansea way, a squad willing and capable of playing attacking football. I just don't see that anymore. |  | | |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 21:44 - Aug 19 with 1830 views | AndyCole |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 15:33 - Aug 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
When someone mentions entertaining football I always think back to the Bradley 4-3 game vs Palace.
From a neutral perspective that was an epic game in terms of entertainment and emotionally was probably up there with the most emotionally up and down game for a long time.
However after the final whistle I was more concerned about us than ever before at this level. It was horrendous to see how vulnerable we were all over the pitch.
Entertainment doesn’t come into it for me. My entertainment is seeing the club I love doing well and competing, I don’t need all the bells and whistles. If I did, I’d support Barca.
I remember back in league 2, I’d pray for a boring game in the car on the way to the game. It usually meant we got something out of it. The minute we were involved in an expansive game it usually meant we would lose.
I’ve never been an advocate for entertaining football at the detriment of success and will never be. If I see us have the players for it and that an expansive game means we have a better chance of winning then I’m all for it… but having no real striker (Piroe clearly isn’t fancied) and technically poor players at the back I see an expansive game at the moment as asking for trouble.
That’s just me I guess. |
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Excellent point re Entertainment. Entertainment is winning, competing to the very best of our abilities, getting the very best out of our resources and outsmarting the opposition.
We've been Entertained to the rafters the last two seasons.
The last regime recognised they were unable to play the (old) Swansea way and boxed beyond clever to deliver the best possible outcomes, game to game, season to season.
Yet some will always need to complain. They say they just want to be 'entertained', ffs. Which apparently even means losing and being relegated. How very dumb, unthinking and loser-like. Says so much about these feeble sheeple. The sheeple need to be 'entertained', like seals, happy clapping. Their threshold levels are basic.
The players thankfully don't think in such a loser way. They desperately want to go out and win, and as such entertain. above all else. It's why they have risen above the sheeple, out-thought and out-performed the masses, reached the pinnacle.
We're all together, and Winning is our aim.
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 22:14 - Aug 19 with 1806 views | Badlands |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 21:44 - Aug 19 by AndyCole |
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Excellent point re Entertainment. Entertainment is winning, competing to the very best of our abilities, getting the very best out of our resources and outsmarting the opposition.
We've been Entertained to the rafters the last two seasons.
The last regime recognised they were unable to play the (old) Swansea way and boxed beyond clever to deliver the best possible outcomes, game to game, season to season.
Yet some will always need to complain. They say they just want to be 'entertained', ffs. Which apparently even means losing and being relegated. How very dumb, unthinking and loser-like. Says so much about these feeble sheeple. The sheeple need to be 'entertained', like seals, happy clapping. Their threshold levels are basic.
The players thankfully don't think in such a loser way. They desperately want to go out and win, and as such entertain. above all else. It's why they have risen above the sheeple, out-thought and out-performed the masses, reached the pinnacle.
We're all together, and Winning is our aim.
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I watched us win games under Monk and Cooper and it was anything but entertaining, and I'm not alone.
We'd win at the Liberty and it was like walking out of everyones favourite aunt's funeral.
We have lost two games with a manger trying to turn back time with a squad he met something 10 days earlier. And you write that!
Because Cooper never lost a game, Cooper's sides never got their arses kicked, because they peppered the opposition with goal attempts ... all on target.
Talk about an entitled bunch of wannabes - everything posters on these forums used to rip into supports of the likes of Forest an Newcastle.
The last regime didn't box clever it reduced the squad to a large number of players who were unable to cope with anything outside Cooperball just as Monk whittled out any players with real skill. |  |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 23:06 - Aug 19 with 1757 views | PatchesOHoulihan |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 20:20 - Aug 19 by AndyCole |
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When (even) Clinton Morrison highlights Martin's ongoing schoolboy errors you know there has to be some proper issues.
The tide of momentum, winning and success is firmly Ebbing, after the gushing Flow of the last two seasons of successful pragmatic management, cleverly getting the very best out of our resources, cutting our cloth with precision.
Martin could be his own worst enemy by the way in which he's going about this apparent revolution. If he had been a disciple of Pep, Bielsa or even Martinez you could forgive his approach, however given his clear lack of heritage, his decision making under pressure is highly concerning. His pressers were silky, now they're becoming disingenuous.
It's hilarious how so many fickle sheeple are blindly being swept along on this tide of change. A tide that could be on the ebb.
Some early dissenters (not from these parts) are already moaning it should 'OF' been Morris. Morris, cos he could OF signed loadsa Chelsea players, innit.
Martin needs to build upon our rock solid foundations, not glibly sweep them away in embarrassing fashion. Evolution not Revolution, with our resources.
MAtin needs to turn his tide, quickly. Get us Flowing, again.
Pearson will be licking his lips. FFS.
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Nah we needed revolution if we brought Martin in. He would have told them what he wanted to do and they decided ok. You can’t then ask him to filter it just to keep some jumpy fans happy. We have to believe in the process right or wrong. We are supporters and fans. |  |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 23:08 - Aug 19 with 1756 views | PatchesOHoulihan |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 13:09 - Aug 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
We don’t know.
I would suggest that if this continues then yes it’s very likely the style will change.
It’s not “his” style of play is it. It’s “a” style of play. Martinez doesn’t implement the same style of play he did at Swansea at Belgium. Rodgers doesn’t implement the same style of play at Leicester as he did here. |
But that’s because they have evolved as coaches. I doubt anyone suggesting Martin is anywhere near those 2 yet so has less tools. Just like our squad, hopefully they will evolve with us | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 09:56 - Aug 20 with 1638 views | swan65split |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 22:14 - Aug 19 by Badlands |
I watched us win games under Monk and Cooper and it was anything but entertaining, and I'm not alone.
We'd win at the Liberty and it was like walking out of everyones favourite aunt's funeral.
We have lost two games with a manger trying to turn back time with a squad he met something 10 days earlier. And you write that!
Because Cooper never lost a game, Cooper's sides never got their arses kicked, because they peppered the opposition with goal attempts ... all on target.
Talk about an entitled bunch of wannabes - everything posters on these forums used to rip into supports of the likes of Forest an Newcastle.
The last regime didn't box clever it reduced the squad to a large number of players who were unable to cope with anything outside Cooperball just as Monk whittled out any players with real skill. |
Good post,
Number of times I nearly threw the cup at the TV last season is amazing, bit of patience is needed thats all jUst remember Bentleys start, it took a 6-0 beating before we woke up. |  | | |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 10:05 - Aug 20 with 1620 views | onehunglow |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 21:44 - Aug 19 by AndyCole |
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Excellent point re Entertainment. Entertainment is winning, competing to the very best of our abilities, getting the very best out of our resources and outsmarting the opposition.
We've been Entertained to the rafters the last two seasons.
The last regime recognised they were unable to play the (old) Swansea way and boxed beyond clever to deliver the best possible outcomes, game to game, season to season.
Yet some will always need to complain. They say they just want to be 'entertained', ffs. Which apparently even means losing and being relegated. How very dumb, unthinking and loser-like. Says so much about these feeble sheeple. The sheeple need to be 'entertained', like seals, happy clapping. Their threshold levels are basic.
The players thankfully don't think in such a loser way. They desperately want to go out and win, and as such entertain. above all else. It's why they have risen above the sheeple, out-thought and out-performed the masses, reached the pinnacle.
We're all together, and Winning is our aim.
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This would mean us in the bottom 4 losing games by stroking the ball Rusy style direct to the opposition who then stroke ball into the net. That and simply overpowering the waifs we have crushing whatever talent they have in the process.
We could be a laughing stock.
It was bad enough last year with Huddersfield putting 4 past us doing the double over us.
Had we played "entertaining" ,would our fans be happy? I reckon not.
It is abject nonsense to take over a club and impose a "plan" without having already the players to implement as it is probable Russ wont be bale to get the players for this master plan.
And to think we take the pyss out of Stoke,Pulis,Warnock ,McCarthy whose current team will kill us out of sight.
Right now, we have to change starting with Russ and his plan. | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 11:13 - Aug 20 with 1602 views | raynor94 |
Seriously can't believe what I'm reading here, but there again knowing how fickle some of our fans are I shouldn't be surprised.
He hasn't been here 3 weeks, and the moaning has started, he's trying to implement a new style which everybody was crying out for.
Let's wait till the end of this window and he gets another couple in, he has been unlucky with Bennett and Naughton being injured.
This was always going to be a transitional season, strap yourself in and enjoy the ride |  |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 11:15 - Aug 20 with 1588 views | onehunglow |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 11:13 - Aug 20 by raynor94 |
Seriously can't believe what I'm reading here, but there again knowing how fickle some of our fans are I shouldn't be surprised.
He hasn't been here 3 weeks, and the moaning has started, he's trying to implement a new style which everybody was crying out for.
Let's wait till the end of this window and he gets another couple in, he has been unlucky with Bennett and Naughton being injured.
This was always going to be a transitional season, strap yourself in and enjoy the ride |
Can we whinge after the window shuts .?
If we are still abysmal,can we express our sadness.
Do we have to spend a whole season hoping things will get better.
This is natural concern you are seeing | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 11:29 - Aug 20 with 1589 views | raynor94 |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 11:15 - Aug 20 by onehunglow |
Can we whinge after the window shuts .?
If we are still abysmal,can we express our sadness.
Do we have to spend a whole season hoping things will get better.
This is natural concern you are seeing |
Of course there are concerns, but let's at least give it 10 games and see where we are | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 13:20 - Aug 20 with 1514 views | onehunglow |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 11:29 - Aug 20 by raynor94 |
Of course there are concerns, but let's at least give it 10 games and see where we are |
Ok Mate.Ten it is.
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 14:30 - Aug 20 with 1493 views | raynor94 |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 13:20 - Aug 20 by onehunglow |
Ok Mate.Ten it is.
Then we panic |
Or you could be waxing lyrical over the style
Try a little bit of positivity mun, honestly it don't hurt | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 14:36 - Aug 20 with 1479 views | onehunglow |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 14:30 - Aug 20 by raynor94 |
Or you could be waxing lyrical over the style
Try a little bit of positivity mun, honestly it don't hurt |
I tried it Ray.
Didnt work
Trust me,right now, chez nous ,we are aiming to be realistic primarily.
Ive found positivity ,as regards football fanship,is just a word used to impress others when really the sentiments are anything but.
I am ,if nothing else ,honest and will shoot from the hip.
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 21:52 - Aug 22 with 1322 views | Rock |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 15:01 - Aug 18 by jack247 |
It shouldn’t be. It was pretty much universally agreed on here a few weeks ago that this was a big transition and wouldn’t happen overnight.
It’s also probably fair to say that Steve Cooper wasn’t particularly popular on here and the main reason for that was his playing style. People have been crying out for possession based passing football for two years. A lot longer than that if you exclude Potters season.
Give him time, let him move out players who don’t suit his style, bring in players that do, then judge him. |
Agreed, 247, but one of the things that is more important than signing new players, which we clearly need after Ayew and our u17 World Cup loaners have left us, is that Martin has barely had three weeks to work with the players that we already have.
Several of our key players this season who will have a big impact under him have also been out for extended periods so far. Him and his staff are very skilled coaches and they haven’t had a chance to see our players up close yet enough in training to identify each one’s specific strengths and weaknesses, and how they will implement them within his system and tactics. This is much harder in practice than just watching our games from last season, which he has barely had a chance to do either. A little over a fortnight ago he was preparing for another season with MK Dons and players he had worked with for two years, while we were about to hire John Eustace. Fair to say, it’s been a whirlwind few weeks and a lot has changed for him personally and professionally.
One thing to keep in mind is that footballers have a deep locker of skills that you don’t see during games, as they are told to play a certain way and stick to scripts. If they showed up for a kickabout down at the park, each and every one of them would look like Messi. Point being, a coach needs time to assess each individual player’s specific skillset, and that takes time. Further working out how best to utilise those varied skillsets within the context of the rest of the squad and system necessitates even more time. Martin did not have a pre-season to ingrain his ideas onto our players and get them to his desired level of fitness, which is necessary in his pressing and possession game.
He can’t change the players overnight but he can work on the finer details, which go a long way in the modern game. For example, one thing he will surely have noticed is that many of our players receive the ball flat-footed and that can be exploited heavily in tight spaces and when pressed. As a key part of his style is putting players in those positions in order to create numerical superiority and overloads going forward, this is an aspect he will be focusing on during training. Having players work on receiving the ball under pressure on the half-turn and with their hips in motion will allow them that extra split-second on the ball that makes a big difference.
Another element of the gameplan is getting our players reflexively going backwards with their first touch and making the correct, accurate pass to relieve pressure, and after two years of being coached to clear the ball at almost every turn this will be difficult. Things like this may seem minor, but are keys to getting the ball moving quickly and in the right directions, and it will take time on the training ground to fully work out and ingrain in our players. We need a few new signings and outgoings, as well, but the work on the training ground will have the most profound effect. That and Walsh getting fit, he is the key to the system working this season, in my opinion. |  | | |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 14:38 - Aug 24 with 1220 views | jackrmee |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 21:52 - Aug 22 by Rock |
Agreed, 247, but one of the things that is more important than signing new players, which we clearly need after Ayew and our u17 World Cup loaners have left us, is that Martin has barely had three weeks to work with the players that we already have.
Several of our key players this season who will have a big impact under him have also been out for extended periods so far. Him and his staff are very skilled coaches and they haven’t had a chance to see our players up close yet enough in training to identify each one’s specific strengths and weaknesses, and how they will implement them within his system and tactics. This is much harder in practice than just watching our games from last season, which he has barely had a chance to do either. A little over a fortnight ago he was preparing for another season with MK Dons and players he had worked with for two years, while we were about to hire John Eustace. Fair to say, it’s been a whirlwind few weeks and a lot has changed for him personally and professionally.
One thing to keep in mind is that footballers have a deep locker of skills that you don’t see during games, as they are told to play a certain way and stick to scripts. If they showed up for a kickabout down at the park, each and every one of them would look like Messi. Point being, a coach needs time to assess each individual player’s specific skillset, and that takes time. Further working out how best to utilise those varied skillsets within the context of the rest of the squad and system necessitates even more time. Martin did not have a pre-season to ingrain his ideas onto our players and get them to his desired level of fitness, which is necessary in his pressing and possession game.
He can’t change the players overnight but he can work on the finer details, which go a long way in the modern game. For example, one thing he will surely have noticed is that many of our players receive the ball flat-footed and that can be exploited heavily in tight spaces and when pressed. As a key part of his style is putting players in those positions in order to create numerical superiority and overloads going forward, this is an aspect he will be focusing on during training. Having players work on receiving the ball under pressure on the half-turn and with their hips in motion will allow them that extra split-second on the ball that makes a big difference.
Another element of the gameplan is getting our players reflexively going backwards with their first touch and making the correct, accurate pass to relieve pressure, and after two years of being coached to clear the ball at almost every turn this will be difficult. Things like this may seem minor, but are keys to getting the ball moving quickly and in the right directions, and it will take time on the training ground to fully work out and ingrain in our players. We need a few new signings and outgoings, as well, but the work on the training ground will have the most profound effect. That and Walsh getting fit, he is the key to the system working this season, in my opinion. |
Thank you for some very insightful posts on here recently.
This one explains quite well how training can improve the decent players we already have here. Some posters seem to think that we either have to sell half our squad, or get our manager to change his tactics. |  |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 15:11 - Aug 24 with 1186 views | onehunglow |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 14:38 - Aug 24 by jackrmee |
Thank you for some very insightful posts on here recently.
This one explains quite well how training can improve the decent players we already have here. Some posters seem to think that we either have to sell half our squad, or get our manager to change his tactics. |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 15:42 - Aug 24 with 1172 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 14:38 - Aug 24 by jackrmee |
Thank you for some very insightful posts on here recently.
This one explains quite well how training can improve the decent players we already have here. Some posters seem to think that we either have to sell half our squad, or get our manager to change his tactics. |
You can train anybody, players train everyday so by nature are “trainable”… but you can’t train everyone to be a specialist, in fact you can train very few to be specialists (that aren’t skilled in that department already) that’s naive in the extreme.
If it was that easy then nobody would every need to buy another player again. I’m afraid real life isn’t a computer game where you can enhance any skill you like.
But we have been through this a million times already and still Cullen will be dropped for Piroe, still we are looking for a ball playing CB, still we signed Downes instead of training Smith to play this way, still we will continue buying specialists.
The Rock quite correctly said training is about the finer details, not about changing someone skillset and whole technical ability. It may slightly improve as a result of continuous play, but the focus on training will largely be tactical and only slightly technical. It’s not a soccer school.
I can assure you training will be about patterns, positioning and scenario evaluation. It will be more to do with training the brain than the feet.
Nobody “got” the manager to change his tactics against Bristol to get us a much needed win, that was done because we weren’t getting the success with the players we had at our disposal. That was a common sense decision they made, nobody pressured him to do that. Are you saying he was wrong to? Because it doesn’t appear he was incorrect.
Still not entirely sure who has advocated selling half our squad though. It wasn’t true the last time you said it and it still isn’t now, stick to the facts please.
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 18:00 - Aug 24 with 1111 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 15:42 - Aug 24 by Dr_Parnassus |
You can train anybody, players train everyday so by nature are “trainable”… but you can’t train everyone to be a specialist, in fact you can train very few to be specialists (that aren’t skilled in that department already) that’s naive in the extreme.
If it was that easy then nobody would every need to buy another player again. I’m afraid real life isn’t a computer game where you can enhance any skill you like.
But we have been through this a million times already and still Cullen will be dropped for Piroe, still we are looking for a ball playing CB, still we signed Downes instead of training Smith to play this way, still we will continue buying specialists.
The Rock quite correctly said training is about the finer details, not about changing someone skillset and whole technical ability. It may slightly improve as a result of continuous play, but the focus on training will largely be tactical and only slightly technical. It’s not a soccer school.
I can assure you training will be about patterns, positioning and scenario evaluation. It will be more to do with training the brain than the feet.
Nobody “got” the manager to change his tactics against Bristol to get us a much needed win, that was done because we weren’t getting the success with the players we had at our disposal. That was a common sense decision they made, nobody pressured him to do that. Are you saying he was wrong to? Because it doesn’t appear he was incorrect.
Still not entirely sure who has advocated selling half our squad though. It wasn’t true the last time you said it and it still isn’t now, stick to the facts please.
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There is training and there is "Training".
Rugby kickers train with the rest and then take it upon themselves to literally spend hours kicking at the sticks from all over the park.
So there is training for fitness, speed, tactics etc and there is training to hone their inate skills to as close to perfection as they can get.
What do football dead ball kickers do?
Do they practice long and cross field balls?
What training do they do for throw ins?
I would love to know if any of them take it upon themselves to do extra, I know the likes of Wayne Rooney did. | | | |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 18:13 - Aug 24 with 1102 views | Oldjack |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 11:13 - Aug 20 by raynor94 |
Seriously can't believe what I'm reading here, but there again knowing how fickle some of our fans are I shouldn't be surprised.
He hasn't been here 3 weeks, and the moaning has started, he's trying to implement a new style which everybody was crying out for.
Let's wait till the end of this window and he gets another couple in, he has been unlucky with Bennett and Naughton being injured.
This was always going to be a transitional season, strap yourself in and enjoy the ride |
i agree with you ,that's a first 
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 18:40 - Aug 24 with 1087 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 11:13 - Aug 20 by raynor94 |
Seriously can't believe what I'm reading here, but there again knowing how fickle some of our fans are I shouldn't be surprised.
He hasn't been here 3 weeks, and the moaning has started, he's trying to implement a new style which everybody was crying out for.
Let's wait till the end of this window and he gets another couple in, he has been unlucky with Bennett and Naughton being injured.
This was always going to be a transitional season, strap yourself in and enjoy the ride |
Not forgetting Roberts too. He’s working with only one regular from our back six last season and that’s Bidwell! Cabango fell out of favour so it was Naughton Bennett and Guehi in our back three. We already look much better going forward - i don’t think Cooper would have a clue how to utilize Piroe to his strengths either. |  |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 20:07 - Aug 24 with 1059 views | Catullus |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 11:15 - Aug 20 by onehunglow |
Can we whinge after the window shuts .?
If we are still abysmal,can we express our sadness.
Do we have to spend a whole season hoping things will get better.
This is natural concern you are seeing |
You were one of the people shouting the loudest to sack Cooper. Now he's gone you haven't even given the new bloke 3 weeks before wading in. It's ridiculous.
Now Andy Cole, if winning is entertaining explain why so many people were so unhappy even after wins under Cooper? Then explain how losing games in the same style felt?
From the Forest game (Feb 17) we won 8 out of 22 including the play offs. Most of those were drab, boring and miserable save for 45 minutes against Bristol.
I read a post of yours proferring support for Martin when he arrived. That soon changed didn't it. You couldn't wait to turn on the new manager. Call yourself a Swansea fan, you're just another WUM. | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 01:19 - Aug 25 with 1000 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 20:07 - Aug 24 by Catullus |
You were one of the people shouting the loudest to sack Cooper. Now he's gone you haven't even given the new bloke 3 weeks before wading in. It's ridiculous.
Now Andy Cole, if winning is entertaining explain why so many people were so unhappy even after wins under Cooper? Then explain how losing games in the same style felt?
From the Forest game (Feb 17) we won 8 out of 22 including the play offs. Most of those were drab, boring and miserable save for 45 minutes against Bristol.
I read a post of yours proferring support for Martin when he arrived. That soon changed didn't it. You couldn't wait to turn on the new manager. Call yourself a Swansea fan, you're just another WUM. |
We have no idea how many people weren’t happy with the football under Cooper. There was a few on the forums, that’s about all we know. I think it would be very unlikely that it was the consensus at the Liberty, if we are doing well then the majority will be happy.
If winning isn’t entertaining then why do attendances go up in correlation to league position regardless of style of play?
If we get relegated playing great football we will lose thousands off the gate, if we go up playing less expansive football we will add thousands to the gate. Just a fact of life. [Post edited 25 Aug 2021 1:21]
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 18:05 - Aug 28 with 822 views | AndyCole |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 20:07 - Aug 24 by Catullus |
You were one of the people shouting the loudest to sack Cooper. Now he's gone you haven't even given the new bloke 3 weeks before wading in. It's ridiculous.
Now Andy Cole, if winning is entertaining explain why so many people were so unhappy even after wins under Cooper? Then explain how losing games in the same style felt?
From the Forest game (Feb 17) we won 8 out of 22 including the play offs. Most of those were drab, boring and miserable save for 45 minutes against Bristol.
I read a post of yours proferring support for Martin when he arrived. That soon changed didn't it. You couldn't wait to turn on the new manager. Call yourself a Swansea fan, you're just another WUM. |
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Get a grip for heck's sake. People in glass houses 'n all that...
Wum? Stick to the non-football stuff, football analysis clearly isn't your thing.
As writ large after making the gaffe of the season on a matchday thread, last term. When in your constant, tiresome, irrational Cooper bashing mode you said you couldn't understand why on earth Cooper was persisting with playing Lowe out of position wide left - you chose to say this out loud, on the matchday thread almost immediately after Lowe cut in from the left to score yet another beauty, from cutting in from wide left.
Maybe think, before you start slagging off others, on a football thread.
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 19:26 - Aug 28 with 768 views | WalterBoyd |
I am starting to cringe when Russell gives a post match review, anyone else.
He says we were outfought ( I would add out thought by their manager) worst personnel, players looked tired, this with Dan William's and Whitaker stuck on the bench.
Does everything and everyone else get blamed until we start winning ? He would have run out of excuses by then.
I appreciate he has only been in charge for a short time and he wants new players in key positions but uninspiring post match interviews criticising the players, win, lose or draw, will not help matters. | | | |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 19:48 - Aug 28 with 735 views | onehunglow |
I tried that pisitivity stiff today
It failed abysmally | |
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