| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? 04:09 - May 5 with 11740 views | Glyn1 |
Maybe someone should start a poll.
For myself, absolutely I will.
But I completely understand the concerns of people who don't like Big Brother watching them and doubt if they will reach their percentage target, whatever that is. [Post edited 5 May 2020 4:10]
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| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:20 - May 5 with 1631 views | Jinxy |
Absolutely, just to help get us out of this particular situation. As has been said though, we should have a globally compatible version, otherwise it'll be a long wait at immigration! |  | | |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:26 - May 5 with 1626 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:03 - May 5 by ploppy |
It's an app. When we're done with all this, or whenever you feel like, delete the app from your phone. |
You can’t delete your data from the central database or ask them to delete it.
They’ve confirmed that in the past day or so.
Why can’t we just use the same as everyone else rather than paying God knows how much to a friend of the PM’s senior advisor? |  | | |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:26 - May 5 with 1626 views | exiledclaseboy |
Yes. The data stuff doesn’t concern me in the slightest. If you’re carrying a smartphone you’re already being tracked every second it’s with you. And for this app, that’s kind of the whole point. |  |
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| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:27 - May 5 with 1622 views | Scotia |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 17:48 - May 5 by londonlisa2001 |
It’ll be interesting to see how they manage to send you the test you order from the app with just the first part of your post code... |
But even that is only going to be a minority of people who develop symptoms, and even giving them my address isn't telling them anything they couldn't already find out if they wanted to. | | | |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:27 - May 5 with 1621 views | longlostjack |
This thread shows exactly why Germany and some other EU countries opted for a decentralised system with no central databank. There was a lot of debate about it but they decided that for it to work it has to have broad public acceptance. Personally I wouldn’t give a toss and Amazon probably knows more about me than I know about myself. [Post edited 5 May 2020 19:35]
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| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:29 - May 5 with 1618 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:26 - May 5 by exiledclaseboy |
Yes. The data stuff doesn’t concern me in the slightest. If you’re carrying a smartphone you’re already being tracked every second it’s with you. And for this app, that’s kind of the whole point. |
It’s not being tracked though, it’s who you’re being tracked by surely?
The tech people say it doesn’t work anyway. | | | |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:34 - May 5 with 1611 views | Scotia |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:03 - May 5 by ploppy |
It's an app. When we're done with all this, or whenever you feel like, delete the app from your phone. |
Or even get a new phone.
I reckon a smart phone has a maximum life of four years. So the worst case scenario is the government know where I've been and who I've been close to for four years. What would they gain from that?
Dominic Cummings would be bored to tears I can assure you.
On the plus side we may be able to revert to something like a normal life a bit sooner and save a few thousand lives.
I agree the non centralised version would be better, but this will do. | | | |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:35 - May 5 with 1611 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:29 - May 5 by londonlisa2001 |
It’s not being tracked though, it’s who you’re being tracked by surely?
The tech people say it doesn’t work anyway. |
I get the concerns, I just don’t share them on this one. As I said last night, the profile of this is so high the relevant data protection bods and civil liberties groups will be all over it. Whether it works is another matter but seeing as it only launched yesterday in a tiny corner of southern England it’s probably too early to draw conclusions. | |
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| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:44 - May 5 with 1599 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:35 - May 5 by exiledclaseboy |
I get the concerns, I just don’t share them on this one. As I said last night, the profile of this is so high the relevant data protection bods and civil liberties groups will be all over it. Whether it works is another matter but seeing as it only launched yesterday in a tiny corner of southern England it’s probably too early to draw conclusions. |
It’s something to do with the way IPhones work with apps running in the background apparently. iPhones work the way they do however many people are using them.
I’ll believe the tech people before I’ll believe anything to do with Cambridge Analytica.
Plus they will have problems in London due yo the density of population. Which they don’t have in the Isle of Wight.
And the civil liberties people have said they don’t trust it! As have the NHS app platform and the cyber security people as far as I’ve seen anyway. | | | |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:47 - May 5 with 1593 views | ploppy |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:26 - May 5 by londonlisa2001 |
You can’t delete your data from the central database or ask them to delete it.
They’ve confirmed that in the past day or so.
Why can’t we just use the same as everyone else rather than paying God knows how much to a friend of the PM’s senior advisor? |
I was answering the particular concern: Once they've built their surveillance infrastructure it's not going away.
It's not magic: delete the app and the tracking stops. | | | |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:49 - May 5 with 1589 views | ploppy |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:44 - May 5 by londonlisa2001 |
It’s something to do with the way IPhones work with apps running in the background apparently. iPhones work the way they do however many people are using them.
I’ll believe the tech people before I’ll believe anything to do with Cambridge Analytica.
Plus they will have problems in London due yo the density of population. Which they don’t have in the Isle of Wight.
And the civil liberties people have said they don’t trust it! As have the NHS app platform and the cyber security people as far as I’ve seen anyway. |
We'll see whether the app works, but apps are built be software developers - they're "tech people" too. | | | |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:52 - May 5 with 1587 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:44 - May 5 by londonlisa2001 |
It’s something to do with the way IPhones work with apps running in the background apparently. iPhones work the way they do however many people are using them.
I’ll believe the tech people before I’ll believe anything to do with Cambridge Analytica.
Plus they will have problems in London due yo the density of population. Which they don’t have in the Isle of Wight.
And the civil liberties people have said they don’t trust it! As have the NHS app platform and the cyber security people as far as I’ve seen anyway. |
Still early days on the tech side. That’s what the trial is for. | |
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| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:54 - May 5 with 1585 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:49 - May 5 by ploppy |
We'll see whether the app works, but apps are built be software developers - they're "tech people" too. |
The NHS and government in general has a horrible track record of delivering systems that work.
Google and Apple on the other hand, seem to develop things that do work.
I don’t mind the surveillance aspect. I do mind being subjected to substandard crap that profits a mate of the PM despite there being global specialists being used for all other countries.
I can quite believe that they’ve developed something without thinking about the way iPhones work. It would be par for the course.
Anyway, as it won’t protect us in London I can’t see the point in taking the risk without the benefits. | | | |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 20:26 - May 5 with 1564 views | Jack_Kass |
I'd rather be on Lockdown, which is what it will turn into anyway once
a) people decide to piss about and say they've got symptoms, at the slightest increase of their temperature
b) everyone gets a notification to say they've been compromised, and need to stay indoors.
c) people download it and just ignore it. | |
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| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 20:46 - May 5 with 1550 views | Scotia |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 20:26 - May 5 by Jack_Kass |
I'd rather be on Lockdown, which is what it will turn into anyway once
a) people decide to piss about and say they've got symptoms, at the slightest increase of their temperature
b) everyone gets a notification to say they've been compromised, and need to stay indoors.
c) people download it and just ignore it. |
Apparently preventing the first two points are the reasons why we have gone for the centralised version over the Google version.
Can't do much about the third, but even if a few people use it correctly it helps. | | | |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 20:48 - May 5 with 1544 views | dickythorpe |
Getting us all tested would be a better plan. |  | | |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 20:49 - May 5 with 1539 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 20:46 - May 5 by Scotia |
Apparently preventing the first two points are the reasons why we have gone for the centralised version over the Google version.
Can't do much about the third, but even if a few people use it correctly it helps. |
Not sure about the first bit?
Unless they send testing kits to everyone notified (and oops, there’s the anonymity gone) then everyone notified (which in London will be bloody constant), has to self isolate for 14 days.
You’ll spend the rest of your life in one isolation after another without ever getting it... | | | |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 21:10 - May 5 with 1518 views | chad |
Apple, Google. Did no one on here watch Devs
We are already constantly being monitored, where we go, when we are in, what we buy, what we spend, what we communicate, what we watch, what we read ...... |  | | |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 21:25 - May 5 with 1513 views | ploppy |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 19:54 - May 5 by londonlisa2001 |
The NHS and government in general has a horrible track record of delivering systems that work.
Google and Apple on the other hand, seem to develop things that do work.
I don’t mind the surveillance aspect. I do mind being subjected to substandard crap that profits a mate of the PM despite there being global specialists being used for all other countries.
I can quite believe that they’ve developed something without thinking about the way iPhones work. It would be par for the course.
Anyway, as it won’t protect us in London I can’t see the point in taking the risk without the benefits. |
How do you know it's substandard crap? As apps go, it's pretty rudimentary (on the face of it anyway) - the hardest part, I suspect, is handling the bluetooth issues and any associated battery drain.
I know that successive governments have had problems delivering large NHS IT systems - but that goes back many years to at least when Labour were in government (yes, that long ago!) and the software was being developed by EDS (I think). Large software projects are a bloody nightmare - not least because they take so long to develop that by the time you think you're getting to the end, many things (including the software requirements probably) have changed. This app, at least in terms of requirements, development timescales and manpower required, is a bloody doddle. A fourteen-year old with a rudimentary knowledge of iOS/Android software development could knock one up. But you'd have even less transparency (and oversight) of the software in that case. I'm guessing you've never worked in the software industry - in that respect you're as bad as AFD commenting on ... well everything, really.
You're perfectly entitled not to install the app, but at least make it an informed decision (not "substandard crap" and "mates of the PM"), and take into account the risk/reward.
I'm quite curious to know why you think it won't help in London and what "risk" you'd be taking. My son lives in London - I bloody well hope he installs it, otherwise I'll be having a word. | | | |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 21:40 - May 5 with 1496 views | Gowerjack |
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| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 21:41 - May 5 with 1495 views | ploppy |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 20:49 - May 5 by londonlisa2001 |
Not sure about the first bit?
Unless they send testing kits to everyone notified (and oops, there’s the anonymity gone) then everyone notified (which in London will be bloody constant), has to self isolate for 14 days.
You’ll spend the rest of your life in one isolation after another without ever getting it... |
OK, this anonymity thing: I asked you this question yesterday but didn't see an answer. In this new track, trace, isolate world that we're going to be in, what are you going to do when you test positive? Will you be happy to tell the trackers/tracers where/when you've been and who you've been in contact with? Where's your anonymity then? (BTW, this is "boots on the ground" tracking and tracing, not the app).
We continually hold up South Korea as an example - the perfect way to handle a pandemic. They track/trace/isolate using an app and also CCTV, phone records and bank records. We can't even get people to install an app on a phone. | | | |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 21:43 - May 5 with 1485 views | ploppy |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 20:48 - May 5 by dickythorpe |
Getting us all tested would be a better plan. |
65m people?
How often? [Post edited 5 May 2020 22:18]
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| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 21:45 - May 5 with 1483 views | Scotia |
| Will you download the new tracing app to your phone? on 20:49 - May 5 by londonlisa2001 |
Not sure about the first bit?
Unless they send testing kits to everyone notified (and oops, there’s the anonymity gone) then everyone notified (which in London will be bloody constant), has to self isolate for 14 days.
You’ll spend the rest of your life in one isolation after another without ever getting it... |
Vaughan Gething did say today that we need to be prepared to spend several periods in isolation each.
It wil be an awful lot more difficult in big cities, but they will be epicentres for future outbreaks, and there will be more notifications without a doubt. I suppose everyone will have to make sure they do their utmost not to spend 15 minutes in touch with a strangers Bluetooth, perhaps it will force a form of social distancing . It's a million miles from being an ideal situation, I'm not trying to pretend it is, but at least it is a start and hopefully it can be tweaked and improved. [Post edited 5 May 2020 21:50]
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