| Good Luck UK 12:13 - Dec 12 with 67939 views | PlanetHonneywood |
For the Eze, not the Pugh!
#votewarburton
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| Good Luck UK on 14:11 - Dec 13 with 2450 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Good Luck UK on 13:58 - Dec 13 by swisscottage |
When you live in your own bubble with your ego enforced by your own insular group of sycophants.
When all you do is sit in a room with your mates all of whom tell you all the same things.
Where you all have the same ideology.
Where you all formulate your plans for a better world.
Where all you can do is constantly pat yourselves on the back bigging yourselves up as superior.
Where everyone who disagrees with you is obviously wrong and an evil tory... or Jewish
It all goes tits up.
Its everyone else's fault. Nothing to do with the fact we're living in cloud cuckoo land.
Welcome to Momentum!!!! |
I thought you were talking about the Tories at first! |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 14:22 - Dec 13 with 2403 views | paulparker |
| Good Luck UK on 14:08 - Dec 13 by kensalriser |
Tory vote up 1.2%.
Surprised me too. Really underlines what a disaster Corbyn has been. When is Labour going to learn that scaring the bejaysus out of middle income people is never, ever going to win them an election.
Big up to not so secret agent Sam Gyimah, the only candidate to win a seat for the Tories and not end up an MP. |
I would vote labour if there were more MPs like frank field, Alan Johnson , Kate hooey etc
Labour have been so far to the left they have done the impossible and even alienated the north
Milliband was no better either
It’s going to be a long road back for them now |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Good Luck UK on 14:29 - Dec 13 with 2375 views | CaptainPugwash |
| Good Luck UK on 12:34 - Dec 13 by R_from_afar |
If you spot some Somalian pirates off your starboard bow and closing fast, just so you know, I might accidentally have given them your coordinates. 
PS: Yo ho! |
Arrrrrrrr...
Do youse have the coordinates?
No,I allers walk loik this.
Yo Ho! |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 14:32 - Dec 13 with 2367 views | charmr |
Get Brexit done, Make America great again
You can say what the fcuk you like |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 14:33 - Dec 13 with 2358 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Good Luck UK on 14:22 - Dec 13 by paulparker |
I would vote labour if there were more MPs like frank field, Alan Johnson , Kate hooey etc
Labour have been so far to the left they have done the impossible and even alienated the north
Milliband was no better either
It’s going to be a long road back for them now |
frank field, Alan Johnson, Kate hooey
All been saying Labour will lose with JC and not supporting leaving the EU
What do they know  |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 14:34 - Dec 13 with 2362 views | Mytch_QPR |
| Good Luck UK on 14:22 - Dec 13 by paulparker |
I would vote labour if there were more MPs like frank field, Alan Johnson , Kate hooey etc
Labour have been so far to the left they have done the impossible and even alienated the north
Milliband was no better either
It’s going to be a long road back for them now |
Their problem was that they got the wrong Milliband - and that was down to the power of the unions.
The last few years will make interesting reading for politics students in the future. |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 15:06 - Dec 13 with 2277 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Good Luck UK on 13:45 - Dec 13 by TheChef |
BBC says turnout was down 1.5% compared to 2017.
Doesn't quite tie in with the media narrative yesterday, of it being 'the most important election for generations' and numerous photos of queues at polling stations. Must have been all those Tory supporters coming out the woodwork. |
For a December election it was a hell of a turnout IMO. Would’ve definitely backed lower. | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 15:20 - Dec 13 with 2230 views | Boston |
| Good Luck UK on 07:35 - Dec 13 by willis1980 |
Let the great British brain drain begin, I hope Scotland and Northern Ireland go their own way they don’t deserve to be dragged into the dirt by the navel-gazing xenophobes in england. |
FYI....there are around a million British living in the USA, probably triple that residing through Canada, Australia, South Africa etc etc. Now though you read posts from those in the States and elsewhere who would concur with your views, 8/10 do not, just stop in at any British club or bar and listen to the main reasons they quit the UK, few cite the weather as a priority. The brain drain,(entrepreneurial minded), began a long long time ago. | |
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| Good Luck UK on 15:31 - Dec 13 with 2198 views | BostonR |
| Good Luck UK on 13:06 - Dec 13 by Benny_the_Ball |
As I said I think it will be too challenging with Brexit still front and centre. However I'm interested by your assertion that tax increases always hit the poorest. Isn't that exactly what Labour were proposing? |
I was thinking petrol duty and possible a VAT hike. |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 15:39 - Dec 13 with 2162 views | connell10 |
| Good Luck UK on 13:58 - Dec 13 by swisscottage |
When you live in your own bubble with your ego enforced by your own insular group of sycophants.
When all you do is sit in a room with your mates all of whom tell you all the same things.
Where you all have the same ideology.
Where you all formulate your plans for a better world.
Where all you can do is constantly pat yourselves on the back bigging yourselves up as superior.
Where everyone who disagrees with you is obviously wrong and an evil tory... or Jewish
It all goes tits up.
Its everyone else's fault. Nothing to do with the fact we're living in cloud cuckoo land.
Welcome to Momentum!!!! |
I agree I've been a Labour voter all my life but I dont like momentum, they have far to much power in the Labour party for my liking. [Post edited 13 Dec 2019 15:41]
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| Good Luck UK on 17:17 - Dec 13 with 2002 views | essextaxiboy |
I cant stand James O Brien on LBC but this result handed his arse to him this morning and he was forced to reflect on how Labour messed it up.
He concluded that for Labour you are either a victim(the many) virtuous(Corbyn supporters)
or a villain (the few) .
He didnt say anything to anyone in between . The hardworking , just about keeping it going majority.
He also said that the stock insult from the Corbynistas was "fck of and join the Tories"...so millions did |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 17:32 - Dec 13 with 1974 views | kensalriser |
| Good Luck UK on 15:20 - Dec 13 by Boston |
FYI....there are around a million British living in the USA, probably triple that residing through Canada, Australia, South Africa etc etc. Now though you read posts from those in the States and elsewhere who would concur with your views, 8/10 do not, just stop in at any British club or bar and listen to the main reasons they quit the UK, few cite the weather as a priority. The brain drain,(entrepreneurial minded), began a long long time ago. |
More than compensated for by the same sort of person emigrating to the UK, many of them from France, Italy, Spain and so on where it can be much more difficult to start businesses. Of course, they won't be coming in the same numbers any more. |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 18:40 - Dec 13 with 1867 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Good Luck UK on 15:31 - Dec 13 by BostonR |
I was thinking petrol duty and possible a VAT hike. |
Neither of which are in the Tory manifesto nor are exclusive to the Tory party. What Boris has proposed is raising the basic personal allowance or national insurance threshold, either of which will help the poor.
Besides you can't have it both ways; to improve services, you have to spend money. There isn't a secret stash hidden away under the floorboards so that would invariably mean higher taxes.
There is no panacea of uncontrolled immigration, big benefits bills, ample housing, excellent public services yet low taxes. Those conditions are like oil and water; they simply don't mix. [Post edited 13 Dec 2019 19:10]
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| Good Luck UK on 18:58 - Dec 13 with 1834 views | connell10 |
| Good Luck UK on 18:40 - Dec 13 by Benny_the_Ball |
Neither of which are in the Tory manifesto nor are exclusive to the Tory party. What Boris has proposed is raising the basic personal allowance or national insurance threshold, either of which will help the poor.
Besides you can't have it both ways; to improve services, you have to spend money. There isn't a secret stash hidden away under the floorboards so that would invariably mean higher taxes.
There is no panacea of uncontrolled immigration, big benefits bills, ample housing, excellent public services yet low taxes. Those conditions are like oil and water; they simply don't mix. [Post edited 13 Dec 2019 19:10]
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Get the notion out of your head that Boris will help the poor , he wont. | |
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| Good Luck UK on 19:00 - Dec 13 with 1833 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Good Luck UK on 13:56 - Dec 13 by Mytch_QPR |
Yep, fair play to anyone who gets out there and is involved - even if I don't agree with all of their views / policies.
I have to say that I feel very sorry for The Greens - this is a time their message needs to be heard and it was drowned out by the agenda of our times. If I had / have time to get involved with politics I think they would be the Party I would offer help to. |
Fair play indeed. I have a good friend oop north who joined the Labour campaign trail often braving sub-zero temperatures just to listen to folk spit venom (on all sides). We don't agree on politics but nevertheless I told him that I was proud of him for trying to make a difference and assured him that our differing political views will never impact our friendship. After all, we both have QPR running through our veins. [Post edited 13 Dec 2019 19:11]
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| Good Luck UK on 19:07 - Dec 13 with 1817 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Good Luck UK on 18:58 - Dec 13 by connell10 |
Get the notion out of your head that Boris will help the poor , he wont. |
If he does raise the personal allowance or the lower national insurance threshold then that will help the poor. However I have a low trust threshold for politicians so I'll believe it when I see it. | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 19:23 - Dec 13 with 1779 views | loftboy |
People protesting outside Downing Street singing “Boris Johnson, not my prime minister” who’s going to break the news to them? |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 19:32 - Dec 13 with 1755 views | superstan |
| Good Luck UK on 17:17 - Dec 13 by essextaxiboy |
I cant stand James O Brien on LBC but this result handed his arse to him this morning and he was forced to reflect on how Labour messed it up.
He concluded that for Labour you are either a victim(the many) virtuous(Corbyn supporters)
or a villain (the few) .
He didnt say anything to anyone in between . The hardworking , just about keeping it going majority.
He also said that the stock insult from the Corbynistas was "fck of and join the Tories"...so millions did |
I have to switch stations when O’Brien is on, he loves the sound of his own voice, he is arrogant and condescending, he puts anyone down who doesn’t have the same view as him, bloke is a Bellend. | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 19:33 - Dec 13 with 1751 views | Jigsore |
| Good Luck UK on 17:17 - Dec 13 by essextaxiboy |
I cant stand James O Brien on LBC but this result handed his arse to him this morning and he was forced to reflect on how Labour messed it up.
He concluded that for Labour you are either a victim(the many) virtuous(Corbyn supporters)
or a villain (the few) .
He didnt say anything to anyone in between . The hardworking , just about keeping it going majority.
He also said that the stock insult from the Corbynistas was "fck of and join the Tories"...so millions did |
come on, James O'Brien is a shock jock idiot
he'd conclude Corbyn wearing odd socks lost him the election before acknowledging that Labour actually should have backed Leave as soon as the referendum was announced.
Couldn't help but laugh and fume at Margaret Hodge on R4 this morning in equal measure. Faced with the question of why Labour had lost so many seats, mostly in the North, she said it was because he's racist. Ok let's say that's true - we've just elected Boris Johnson as PM and THEY'RE ALMOST ALL LEAVE SEATS. I just wish those idiots would just admit they got it wrong putting so much pressure on Labour to back Remain. LDs and Corbyn's critics inside Labour spent a lot of time calling Corbyn a Brexiteer and they probably would have done a lot better if was allowed to be.
i'm not saying i saw that many northern seats and votes falling, the Farage-Johnson alliance probably exacerbated it, but f*ck it seems pretty clear to me in hindsight |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 19:38 - Dec 13 with 1736 views | Jigsore |
| Good Luck UK on 13:56 - Dec 13 by Mytch_QPR |
Yep, fair play to anyone who gets out there and is involved - even if I don't agree with all of their views / policies.
I have to say that I feel very sorry for The Greens - this is a time their message needs to be heard and it was drowned out by the agenda of our times. If I had / have time to get involved with politics I think they would be the Party I would offer help to. |
I don't feel sorry for the Greens at all, the Lib Dems and Labour both had very promising climate and enviromental policies and the Greens can take a great deal of pride and credit for that. so they decided to directly cause Labour to lose Stroud to a party who are split on climate change insofar half of them don't believe in it and half of them do and don't care | |
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| Good Luck UK on 19:41 - Dec 13 with 1729 views | Miss_Terraces |
| Good Luck UK on 19:33 - Dec 13 by Jigsore |
come on, James O'Brien is a shock jock idiot
he'd conclude Corbyn wearing odd socks lost him the election before acknowledging that Labour actually should have backed Leave as soon as the referendum was announced.
Couldn't help but laugh and fume at Margaret Hodge on R4 this morning in equal measure. Faced with the question of why Labour had lost so many seats, mostly in the North, she said it was because he's racist. Ok let's say that's true - we've just elected Boris Johnson as PM and THEY'RE ALMOST ALL LEAVE SEATS. I just wish those idiots would just admit they got it wrong putting so much pressure on Labour to back Remain. LDs and Corbyn's critics inside Labour spent a lot of time calling Corbyn a Brexiteer and they probably would have done a lot better if was allowed to be.
i'm not saying i saw that many northern seats and votes falling, the Farage-Johnson alliance probably exacerbated it, but f*ck it seems pretty clear to me in hindsight |
I'm still more shocked, how the lib Dems only got 11 seats. The only true remain party in England | |
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| Good Luck UK on 19:52 - Dec 13 with 2519 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Good Luck UK on 19:41 - Dec 13 by Miss_Terraces |
I'm still more shocked, how the lib Dems only got 11 seats. The only true remain party in England |
It was a poor strategy to not stick to being a second ref party which was a position more people sympathised with and they then fought an awful campaign mostly aimed at putting down Labour when they could have both benefited from the smallest amount of co-operation. Absolutely tragic to see a Tory take Kensington as a result thanks to a Yellow Tory. Also the age old problem of FPTP. | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 19:58 - Dec 13 with 2507 views | Pommyhoop |
| Good Luck UK on 19:32 - Dec 13 by superstan |
I have to switch stations when O’Brien is on, he loves the sound of his own voice, he is arrogant and condescending, he puts anyone down who doesn’t have the same view as him, bloke is a Bellend. |
Totally agree.
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| Good Luck UK on 19:59 - Dec 13 with 2492 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Good Luck UK on 19:58 - Dec 13 by Pommyhoop |
Totally agree.
He and Owen Jones are why I'm proud to be. |
I find it quite bizarre how effective they are at wumming such swathes of the electorate. | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 20:00 - Dec 13 with 2490 views | derbyhoop |
| Good Luck UK on 10:53 - Dec 13 by AnonymousR |
Parties promising revoke or a second vote won 52% of the vote last night - 48% of the vote went to Brexit supporting parties.
Boston is right - this will not 'Get Brexit done'. There are 3 likely scenarios:
1. Pass WA legislation, fail to agree to trade agreements and leave December 2020 with no deal;
2. Pass WA legislation, agree to basic trade deals (Canada -) and leave December 2020 but having given up fishing, service, travel rights, etc.
3. Pass WA legislation, fail to agree trade deals but extend and continue extensions, blaming EU for intransigence over the next 4 years.
It's too early to call which might happen. Many may want 1 but it is fiscally difficult and for BJ to keep his other spending promises, he can't afford not to carry out some of them. 2 is more likely and he doesn't need the ERG to support him. However, managing BRINO through the media will be difficult, especially if he has to make substantial concessions. Number 3 doesn't get Brexit done as he promised and will be even harder to manage reputationally.
The Conservatives own it now and it will be REALLY hard to make it work. |
That seems a reasonably balanced analysis to me.
The Tory victory means that they will Get Brexit Done - in the most literal sense, i..e. BRitain EXITing the EU.
Many of the UK electorate were clearly fed up with the ongoing debate that has lasted 3.5 years.
However, if they think it is all over then people are going to be in for a very rude awakening.
There isn't a trade negotiator in the world that believes the UK and EU can conclude a comprehensive trade agreement in 11 months. Barnier, who will lead the EU side, said as much 2 days ago. The only ways it can be done is if a) both sides settle for a mini "no tariffs, no quotas" deal on a limited range of good, e.g. manufactured items OR b) the UK agrees to abide by all the EU regulations.
The EU might agree to the first as EU trade with the UK is significantly in surplus. But it wouldn't cover agriculture nor services, which make up 80% of the UK economy and where UK has a trade surplus with EU.
The second option wouldn't be politically acceptable.
Whatever happens, the Government's own analyses, state that Brexit will have a big negative impact on the UK economy. Those former Labour supporters will find that his promises on Brexit are likely to go the same way as the 40 hospitals, 50,000 nurses, 20,000 police officers and 200,000 new publicly owned houses. And any downturn is likely to hit the Midlands and North much harder than it hits London and the SE.
I suspect Boris' approval ratings will be through the floor by the end of 2020.
But, if the Tories have issues to face, how much worse is it for Labour? |  |
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