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People say this with every big player that leaves. It never happens. Ayew left last time, we were more even throughout the team, I'm not suggesting he isn't playing well, or a big player. But it isn't the end of everything!
He could potentially be forced to start playing out and out wide men which would atleast make us a bit easier on the eye.
If memory serves he was transforming Middlesborough and from what I've read there was a recognisable plan to what he was doing ... same can't be said of Cooper. Perception is everything and at the moment the perception is moving towards Cooper not being up tp the talk. As has been said, without Ayew we would be struggling - Cooppe has 11 individuals on the field luckily, for now, we do have one capable of carrying the team.
You should've seen the posts on the Middlesbrough forum after their loss (and last loss in any competition) to us. At least half wanted Woodgate gone. Many were saying the players were gutless. Also saying they didn't know what Woodgate was planning/what the purpose was. They were convinced he'd lost the plot.
Sound familiar? Cooper says he has a plan (possession football and attacking play), but he's just struggling to bring it to matchdays. He constantly talks about the way we want to play, and he always refers back to that 'plan'. He, like Woodgate, is a rookie and needs time.
We will 100% know by the end of the season whether Cooper is a good or bad manager. He would've had ample time. And if he definitely turns out to be bad, then he will face pressure either in the offseason or start of 2020/21.
You should've seen the posts on the Middlesbrough forum after their loss (and last loss in any competition) to us. At least half wanted Woodgate gone. Many were saying the players were gutless. Also saying they didn't know what Woodgate was planning/what the purpose was. They were convinced he'd lost the plot.
Sound familiar? Cooper says he has a plan (possession football and attacking play), but he's just struggling to bring it to matchdays. He constantly talks about the way we want to play, and he always refers back to that 'plan'. He, like Woodgate, is a rookie and needs time.
We will 100% know by the end of the season whether Cooper is a good or bad manager. He would've had ample time. And if he definitely turns out to be bad, then he will face pressure either in the offseason or start of 2020/21.
At least we have little chance of relegation so staying with Cooper won't be the end of the world. My concern is we have another monk on our hands out of his depth scrapped points to appear successful but slowing destroying out chances.
Trundle mentioned on Sky that Cooper is getting a lot of respect from people in the club and outside but some criticism from a number of fans.
Do some fans have an unrealistic view of what should be happening considering the resources available?
Some fans cannot see or understand the wider picture so there is a degree of criticism that becomes unfair.
However there are also things that are indefensible and we saw one today - the subs or rather the lack of them. There’s also his general lethargic nature within the technical area; to say that he’s passive would be an understatement.
I would be very interested to understand the basis of LT’s comments.
Trundle mentioned on Sky that Cooper is getting a lot of respect from people in the club and outside but some criticism from a number of fans.
Do some fans have an unrealistic view of what should be happening considering the resources available?
The manager is doing a fine job especially with the rebuilding that has/ is still happening. Playoffs are a realistic possibility, and if anyone thinks we should sack Cooper, then they should go and get their head read.
The manager is doing a fine job especially with the rebuilding that has/ is still happening. Playoffs are a realistic possibility, and if anyone thinks we should sack Cooper, then they should go and get their head read.
What re-building ? Anybody of any worth is getting sold off and being replaced by frees and loans how is that considered a re-build, unless you think knocking down a house and building a shed is a re-build. Fire sale is more of an apt term. Please tell me one just one player that we have aquired that has improved us and loans dont count. We are a shadow of the team that BR took up a bleedin shadow.
What re-building ? Anybody of any worth is getting sold off and being replaced by frees and loans how is that considered a re-build, unless you think knocking down a house and building a shed is a re-build. Fire sale is more of an apt term. Please tell me one just one player that we have aquired that has improved us and loans dont count. We are a shadow of the team that BR took up a bleedin shadow.
Trundle mentioned on Sky that Cooper is getting a lot of respect from people in the club and outside but some criticism from a number of fans.
Do some fans have an unrealistic view of what should be happening considering the resources available?
He certainly has significant goodwill at the Club. Hard working, diligent, everything done at 100 miles an hour.
Unfortunately the outward persona is the polar opposite, which is fodder to the critical fan who understandably only wants the best for the Club, realistic or not.
The manager is doing a fine job especially with the rebuilding that has/ is still happening. Playoffs are a realistic possibility, and if anyone thinks we should sack Cooper, then they should go and get their head read.
He may be rebuilding, but he is not improving. In fact players, tactics and game management are going backwards.
What re-building ? Anybody of any worth is getting sold off and being replaced by frees and loans how is that considered a re-build, unless you think knocking down a house and building a shed is a re-build. Fire sale is more of an apt term. Please tell me one just one player that we have aquired that has improved us and loans dont count. We are a shadow of the team that BR took up a bleedin shadow.
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The team BR took up is a much better team than the current one, but to be fair BR had a team which had been built and refined over a number of years by Martinez and Sousa.
All things considered, the current teams doing ok, but with a couple of players it could be so much better and a lot further up the table.
IF he can emulate that team's style and performance levels, akin to the way in which Liverpool demolished Everton last week, most of us would be delighted.
It's a big IF in many respects, and of course the challenge would be to create and sustain an ongoing model. Lets hope the Club has the wherewithal to achieve that.
What re-building ? Anybody of any worth is getting sold off and being replaced by frees and loans how is that considered a re-build, unless you think knocking down a house and building a shed is a re-build. Fire sale is more of an apt term. Please tell me one just one player that we have aquired that has improved us and loans dont count. We are a shadow of the team that BR took up a bleedin shadow.
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We are still rebuilding regardless of your ranting.
What re-building ? Anybody of any worth is getting sold off and being replaced by frees and loans how is that considered a re-build, unless you think knocking down a house and building a shed is a re-build. Fire sale is more of an apt term. Please tell me one just one player that we have aquired that has improved us and loans dont count. We are a shadow of the team that BR took up a bleedin shadow.
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What rebuilding?
Do you have any idea how many players are going to take the exit door come the summer?
The team BR took up is a much better team than the current one, but to be fair BR had a team which had been built and refined over a number of years by Martinez and Sousa.
All things considered, the current teams doing ok, but with a couple of players it could be so much better and a lot further up the table.
The promotion side was better in every position. We are never ready for promotion but a playoff place is possible. With this midfield that would be a victory. Still got my doubts about Cooper but we’ll know a lot more by next Xmas.
"Yossarian- the very sight of the name made him shudder.There were so many esses in it. It just had to be subversive" (Catch 22)
Yes but if you watch us on a regular basis I understand some of the concerns.
Yes, I can understand it is frustrating watching week after week with the same scenario being played out in front of you, whereas you and I sit there most weeks and have done for many years and watched some dire teams.
There are some people who have only seen the Swans in the post Martinez era and we are a long way from those teams, although Sousa and Monk played a very dry game.
We are going to be rebuilding for several years to get anywhere near the level we have been in the past.
Do you have any idea how many players are going to take the exit door come the summer?
My point still stands we are knocking down the house and building a shed. Next season we are going to have a very very poor squad full of kids and rejects, and there is no way Cooper has the ability to get a tune out of them.
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