| What now? 08:13 - Feb 20 with 6362 views | bosh67 |
Given that we have what we have in terms of management, coaching, playing squad and limitations through FFP and fines what can the board, management and players do to turn the current alarming free fall in results around?
I am not calling for McClaren to be sacked, players to be dropped or condemned etc. Just what does the club do to turn a mixture of not that bad football but some very bad slips and periods switching off to get points on the board, stabilise and stagger to safety in the division?
If you were in charge how would you galvanise the club through this period? |  |
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| What now? on 08:49 - Feb 21 with 1216 views | PunteR |
| What now? on 07:28 - Feb 21 by kropotkin41 |
Here's what I would like: let's keep McClaren until he wants to retire or drops dead.
He is a decent enough manager, working with what he's got. And since when has changing manager done us much good anyway? |
There is a line to be drawn though. The start of the season was crossing the line for me. It was horrendous.
It still remains to be seen whether it was worth sacking Ollie. Next season is a big test for SM, if of course he still wants to be here. |  |
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| What now? on 09:12 - Feb 21 with 1190 views | YorkRanger |
| What now? on 21:41 - Feb 20 by WestonsuperR |
Don’t panic if we lose to Boro and Leeds, that would be 8 in and a row and unprecedented, when do we panic!? |
I guess my point is that these are two very tough fixtures, that even if we were not on such a bad run, we wouldn't be surprised to lose. First priority has to be safety and in that respect March is the defining month IMO |  | | |
| What now? on 09:46 - Feb 21 with 1161 views | terryb |
Has it ever occurred to the those that want to sack McClaren that the club can't afford to?
The pay offs to him & his coaching staff could put the club over the FFP failure line. As we have previous, this could mean a stinging points deduction next season & a transfer embargo for quite a while.
Good luck to the club coping with that! |  | | |
| What now? on 10:43 - Feb 21 with 1105 views | isawqpratwcity |
| What now? on 09:46 - Feb 21 by terryb |
Has it ever occurred to the those that want to sack McClaren that the club can't afford to?
The pay offs to him & his coaching staff could put the club over the FFP failure line. As we have previous, this could mean a stinging points deduction next season & a transfer embargo for quite a while.
Good luck to the club coping with that! |
I think you exaggerate the possibility of a points deduction and transfer embargo. McClaren may be expensive, but I doubt that his coaching staff compare even remotely to first team wages.
The problem next season is that we lose a huge lump sum of parachute payment. That will take some accommodating. |  |
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| What now? on 13:23 - Feb 21 with 1043 views | terryb |
| What now? on 10:43 - Feb 21 by isawqpratwcity |
I think you exaggerate the possibility of a points deduction and transfer embargo. McClaren may be expensive, but I doubt that his coaching staff compare even remotely to first team wages.
The problem next season is that we lose a huge lump sum of parachute payment. That will take some accommodating. |
Exaggerate the posibility?
I'm not expecting that we will break FFP.
However, we only have £15 million to play with this year & I doubt that we will be much under that figure. This is not based on any known facts, but surely our income wouldn't have increased this season & our costs wouldn't have decreased by more than a couple of million?
Depending on the length of the contracts that McClaren & his coaching staff have ( I'm basing these continuing in to next season), I would think that a combined £1 to £2 million wouldn't be out of the question.
Normally, sacking a manager leads to two ot three other members of staff going. That would possibly leave us close to our limit. | | | |
| What now? on 13:37 - Feb 21 with 1038 views | R_from_afar |
| What now? on 23:36 - Feb 20 by PunteR |
We've been here it seems a hundred times before and changing the manager doesn't solve anything. |
Bristol City had a massive slump at the end of last season, winning just three of their last 17 games and only one of their last eight.
They stuck with Johnson, and now.....
OK, a sample size of one and therefore not statistically relevant, but worth bearing in mind.
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| What now? on 14:08 - Feb 21 with 1012 views | essextaxiboy |
| What now? on 21:41 - Feb 20 by WestonsuperR |
Don’t panic if we lose to Boro and Leeds, that would be 8 in and a row and unprecedented, when do we panic!? |
When the five or six teams below us all go on a long winning streak...sometime never |  | | |
| What now? on 18:40 - Feb 21 with 954 views | WestonsuperR |
| What now? on 14:08 - Feb 21 by essextaxiboy |
When the five or six teams below us all go on a long winning streak...sometime never |
We lose every game for the rest of the season but none of the 5 or 6 teams below us go on a ‘winning streak’, we just shrug our shoulders and carry on as if nothing has happened. |  | | |
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| What now? on 19:35 - Feb 21 with 937 views | CamberleyR |
| What now? on 18:40 - Feb 21 by WestonsuperR |
We lose every game for the rest of the season but none of the 5 or 6 teams below us go on a ‘winning streak’, we just shrug our shoulders and carry on as if nothing has happened. |
Assuming (as most people would) that Ipswich are gone, the other two teams currently in the bottom three's run ins:
Rotherham:
Reading A
Blackburn H
Sheff Utd A
QPR A
Norwich H
Frank Lampard's Derby A
Nottm Forest H
Aston Villa H
Stoke A
Swansea A
Birmingham H
West Brom A
Middlesbro H
Bolton:
Leeds A
Swansea A
Millwall H
Sheff Wed H
Wigan A
QPR A
Ipswich H
Middlesbro H
Frank Lampard's Derby A
Aston Villa H
Blackburn A
Brentford H
Nottm Forest A
How many points from that little lot? At a guess I'd say both will get no more than 10 or 11. Teams that win one roughly one game in six (Rotherham have won 5, Bolton 6 so far) usually don't start producing play off form in their last dozen or so games which is what both would need to get near to even 50 points. |  |
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| What now? on 19:55 - Feb 21 with 917 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| What now? on 18:40 - Feb 21 by WestonsuperR |
We lose every game for the rest of the season but none of the 5 or 6 teams below us go on a ‘winning streak’, we just shrug our shoulders and carry on as if nothing has happened. |
There seems to be a lot of complacency around about our current position; the run we are on is appalling and the thought of some that we have some 'easy' games next month is wishful thinking.
McClaren needs to find a way to turn this around and fast. |  | | |
| What now? on 20:18 - Feb 21 with 896 views | CamberleyR |
| What now? on 19:55 - Feb 21 by Ned_Kennedys |
There seems to be a lot of complacency around about our current position; the run we are on is appalling and the thought of some that we have some 'easy' games next month is wishful thinking.
McClaren needs to find a way to turn this around and fast. |
The run we have been on is bad but the performances in general far from it. Fine margins, the last four of the six losses we deserved at least a point from each:
Wigan - Denied a blatant last minute penalty
Birmingham - Denied a deserved point (at least) by a penalty miss
Bristol C - Lost to an injury time penalty that never was
West Brom - Deserved a point, so unlucky to go down to ten when no subs available. Freeman stays on, that's a point.
So that's at least four points better off than now and 15th in the table, nobody panicking. | |
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| What now? on 09:00 - Feb 22 with 720 views | ngbqpr |
| What now? on 13:37 - Feb 21 by R_from_afar |
Bristol City had a massive slump at the end of last season, winning just three of their last 17 games and only one of their last eight.
They stuck with Johnson, and now.....
OK, a sample size of one and therefore not statistically relevant, but worth bearing in mind.
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Likewise a lot of unhappy Norwich fans around this time last year during Farke's unremarkable first season... |  |
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| What now? on 09:08 - Feb 22 with 710 views | essextaxiboy |
| What now? on 18:40 - Feb 21 by WestonsuperR |
We lose every game for the rest of the season but none of the 5 or 6 teams below us go on a ‘winning streak’, we just shrug our shoulders and carry on as if nothing has happened. |
Do you think we will lose " every game" til the end of the season ? Its not as if we are playing badly . We wiil finish where we are IMO . Just below halfway .. | | | |
| What now? on 09:41 - Feb 22 with 685 views | daveB |
Just as it was daft to say give Mcclaren 3 years when we were doing well it's equally daft to say sack him now.
Results and performance between now and May will decide if he is here next year, we still have a very good opportunity to finish higher than we did last year and have a successful season but any manager who loses 4 in a row at the start of the season and 6 in a row now is going to have to face questions. |  | | |
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