| The undisclosed fee thing 02:12 - Jan 24 with 13607 views | FalingeParka |
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| The undisclosed fee thing on 13:33 - Jan 24 with 2581 views | EllDale |
We've refused to disclose fees for years and I've always thought that it's because the club would have been embarrassed by some of the small sums that they have agreed.
When Done went to Sheffield United is a classic example.
I just hope that Colin Garlick's spirit still lives on and that we have plenty of add-ons in the cases of Cannon, McGahey and Rafferty. |  | | |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 13:35 - Jan 24 with 2569 views | JimmyRustler |
Doea anyone know why it is that top level clubs never go down the undisclosed route? |  | | |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 13:53 - Jan 24 with 2529 views | D_Alien |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 13:35 - Jan 24 by JimmyRustler |
Doea anyone know why it is that top level clubs never go down the undisclosed route? |
Or withhold information on injured players?
Most recent example: Harry Kane - out till March, sorted
I agree with FP, but suspect the 'undisclosed' route started to become more prevalent once agents started putting their snouts in the trough |  |
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| The undisclosed fee thing on 14:07 - Jan 24 with 2505 views | sweetcorn |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 13:35 - Jan 24 by JimmyRustler |
Doea anyone know why it is that top level clubs never go down the undisclosed route? |
They do.. near enough every transfer is undiclosed, media obviously get the information from other sources on the transfer fee’s rather than the club..
https://www.premierleague.com/news/667700 |  |
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| The undisclosed fee thing on 14:17 - Jan 24 with 2475 views | D_Alien |
Hmm... interesting, and well dug out
In one way it disproves my point (most fees are undisclosed) but in another way perhaps contributes to it's validity - regarding agents. The activities of agents at the top level and the percentage of the overall fee they receive is a significant factor - it's like they have their own league table and in that environment there's enough disclosure leaking out for fees to become known. That environment doesn't pertain lower down the footballing scale to anything like the same extent - result, fees remain undisclosed | |
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| The undisclosed fee thing on 14:22 - Jan 24 with 2465 views | FalingeParka |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 13:35 - Jan 24 by JimmyRustler |
Doea anyone know why it is that top level clubs never go down the undisclosed route? |
Well, yes. Pogba transfer fee was 89M or whatever. To be frank, even if that figure wasn't actually accurate I don't care. It's out there, we can think if he's worth it or not. I am not interested in the Companies House or whatever accounts for Dale or Man United.
I do get the intention of the replies, standard practice, confidentiality of contracts and so forth. But not the actual base level reasoning.
The point I have been plainly failing to make is, and Dale are a great example, is everything we hear on the sporting side, i.e. KH's post-match interviews after a bad display, alludes to money. You buy Goldbond tickets to give money to the club. The game is about money.
I'm not particularly concerned about the actual figure of Raff's transfer fee per se whatever it is. I'm quite prepared to accept that it is what it is. Am not even, till proven wrong, willing to entertain the idea that our recent board changes are a good or a bad thing yet.
I just think fans should have a ballpark and not be told it's 'undisclosed'. | |
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| The undisclosed fee thing on 14:31 - Jan 24 with 2437 views | JimmyRustler |
If the reasoning behind every fee being undisclosed is that clubs don't wanna be held by the bollocks, then wouldn't you think that said clubs would do something about the numbers leaking out into the wider public? | | | |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 14:32 - Jan 24 with 2435 views | sykeboy |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 12:28 - Jan 24 by FalingeParka |
I really don't buy the idea that telling the world Rafferty for example went for say 50k in any way gives away what the club might sell Camps for i.e. somehow reveals anything that could be taken advantage of. |
Not the most reliable source but the Sun is reporting PNE paid 200k for Raff which if anywhere near true is good business given he was out of contract in a few months | | | |
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| The undisclosed fee thing on 14:48 - Jan 24 with 2406 views | sweetcorn |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 14:31 - Jan 24 by JimmyRustler |
If the reasoning behind every fee being undisclosed is that clubs don't wanna be held by the bollocks, then wouldn't you think that said clubs would do something about the numbers leaking out into the wider public? |
You can’t do anything if you don’t know where it’s come from. I’d imagine theres ton’s of people who will be aware of the transfer fee, whether thats club employee’s, agents, family and friends..
I don’t see a way in which a club could pinpoint where be leak has come from. | |
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| The undisclosed fee thing on 14:49 - Jan 24 with 2404 views | kiwidale |
while the actual fee may be undisclosed at the time it will be disclosed to team mates family friends newsagent the bloke walking his dog etc how long will it be before we know roughly how much we got for Rafferty and how much we paid for the Blackpool lad. Cannons fee didn't remain undisclosed for long. All rather pointless if you ask me. | |
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| The undisclosed fee thing on 14:50 - Jan 24 with 2400 views | FalingeParka |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 14:31 - Jan 24 by JimmyRustler |
If the reasoning behind every fee being undisclosed is that clubs don't wanna be held by the bollocks, then wouldn't you think that said clubs would do something about the numbers leaking out into the wider public? |
Nobody is holding anyone's bollocks. We don't owe the IRS or any bank as far as I know. Preston want Raff, Raff fancies it, club agree at the fee. It's straightforward and no ifs, sides or bollocks.
The point, and I do give up, is that as fans we should be able to say 'yeah, about 50, seems about right' at the same time as we think 'yeah, 200 for a Sandy ST is ok' or what the coffee should cost. It's ballpark, not going through the accounts. I have zero interest in detail or even the principle of ultimate accountability in this instance. In short, how much is those eggs? | |
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| The undisclosed fee thing on 14:53 - Jan 24 with 2389 views | truenorth |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 09:03 - Jan 24 by nordenblue |
Who mentioned anyones earnings,sure he was talking about transfer fees? |
The discussion is regarding finances. We've no right to know the financial dealings of the club. It's the same as our own personal finances.
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| The undisclosed fee thing on 14:53 - Jan 24 with 2387 views | sweetcorn |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 14:50 - Jan 24 by FalingeParka |
Nobody is holding anyone's bollocks. We don't owe the IRS or any bank as far as I know. Preston want Raff, Raff fancies it, club agree at the fee. It's straightforward and no ifs, sides or bollocks.
The point, and I do give up, is that as fans we should be able to say 'yeah, about 50, seems about right' at the same time as we think 'yeah, 200 for a Sandy ST is ok' or what the coffee should cost. It's ballpark, not going through the accounts. I have zero interest in detail or even the principle of ultimate accountability in this instance. In short, how much is those eggs? |
I don’t think jimmyrustler was referring to people we owe money to, more other clubs and them realising a pattern in our transfer business and knowing exactly when we’ll bend and accept a transfer bid.
When Peter Kenyon left united to join chelsea, they beat united to near enough every top target they went for, as he knew how much united at that time were willing to spend on transfer fee’s and wages with such a player | |
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| The undisclosed fee thing on 15:21 - Jan 24 with 2344 views | FalingeParka |
How much are those eggs? It's that simple. | |
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| The undisclosed fee thing on 15:24 - Jan 24 with 2336 views | Brierls |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 14:53 - Jan 24 by sweetcorn |
I don’t think jimmyrustler was referring to people we owe money to, more other clubs and them realising a pattern in our transfer business and knowing exactly when we’ll bend and accept a transfer bid.
When Peter Kenyon left united to join chelsea, they beat united to near enough every top target they went for, as he knew how much united at that time were willing to spend on transfer fee’s and wages with such a player |
Agreed.
That second paragraph there will be one of the reasons why clubs adopt that 'undisclosed' approach.
Another, as I think Colin Garlick once described, was the complexity of the deal. The up front fee was just one part, the various conditions. add-ons, sell-ons etc made it hard to put a value on a sale.
There will be several more reasons. None of them will be to deliberately keep fans in the dark. |  | | |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 15:30 - Jan 24 with 2329 views | FalingeParka |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 15:24 - Jan 24 by Brierls |
Agreed.
That second paragraph there will be one of the reasons why clubs adopt that 'undisclosed' approach.
Another, as I think Colin Garlick once described, was the complexity of the deal. The up front fee was just one part, the various conditions. add-ons, sell-ons etc made it hard to put a value on a sale.
There will be several more reasons. None of them will be to deliberately keep fans in the dark. |
Good grief. The complexity of the deal. Right kiddo. | |
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| The undisclosed fee thing on 15:48 - Jan 24 with 2294 views | rochdaleriddler |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 14:32 - Jan 24 by sykeboy |
Not the most reliable source but the Sun is reporting PNE paid 200k for Raff which if anywhere near true is good business given he was out of contract in a few months |
Not bad if true, but the increase of transfer amounts, both in premier league and the championship is staggering, so PNE might think they have an absolute bargain |  |
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| The undisclosed fee thing on 16:53 - Jan 24 with 2229 views | Brierls |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 14:32 - Jan 24 by sykeboy |
Not the most reliable source but the Sun is reporting PNE paid 200k for Raff which if anywhere near true is good business given he was out of contract in a few months |
If we've got anything close to £200K we've done very well.
I do wish we knew for sure. | | | |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 19:51 - Jan 24 with 2068 views | Shun |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 14:32 - Jan 24 by sykeboy |
Not the most reliable source but the Sun is reporting PNE paid 200k for Raff which if anywhere near true is good business given he was out of contract in a few months |
I’ve heard a lot of murmurings from the Preston side of the world that the fee was about £150K. |  | | |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 20:56 - Jan 24 with 2003 views | Thacks_Rabbits |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 19:51 - Jan 24 by Shun |
I’ve heard a lot of murmurings from the Preston side of the world that the fee was about £150K. |
I have heard nothing, but a 3 1/2 year contract means they must rate him fairly highly. I would suspect a figure between 100k and 175k is realistic. I doubt sell on will be included as he won’t play above current level.
We might have other clauses, but I am purely guessing, no insider info at all. |  |
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| The undisclosed fee thing on 21:02 - Jan 24 with 1989 views | dingdangblue |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 19:51 - Jan 24 by Shun |
I’ve heard a lot of murmurings from the Preston side of the world that the fee was about £150K. |
With his contract up in a few months thats a great bit of business if correct. |  |
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| The undisclosed fee thing on 21:12 - Jan 24 with 1969 views | TVOS1907 |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 20:56 - Jan 24 by Thacks_Rabbits |
I have heard nothing, but a 3 1/2 year contract means they must rate him fairly highly. I would suspect a figure between 100k and 175k is realistic. I doubt sell on will be included as he won’t play above current level.
We might have other clauses, but I am purely guessing, no insider info at all. |
Aye, clauses can include things like appearance milestones, Preston's league placing, if they reach the play-offs, goals the player scores (probably won't be much of a problem in this instance) and many others, often to the benefit of the selling club.
In many cases, the fee is undisclosed as it can never be ascertained what it actually is due to subsequent clauses. |  |
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| The undisclosed fee thing on 21:47 - Jan 24 with 1883 views | TVOS1907 |
| The undisclosed fee thing on 21:24 - Jan 24 by D_Alien |
We all get the "add-ons" business, but there's going to be an up-front figure, which will no doubt itself be paid in instalments - but following on from FP's points, why not disclose that?
So what if some deals are more front-loaded than others? There's any excuse being made, including on here, the worst of which is personal financial information being put on a par with business finance, which for any company with shareholders by definition has to be in the public domain
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Dunno. To be honest, I don't think transfer fees are any of my business as a fan, but I know others think differently. It certainly doesn't affect my 'support', as FP intimated about the situation. | |
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| The undisclosed fee thing on 21:50 - Jan 24 with 1873 views | FalingeParka |
500k according to the...
Made that up obv. Y'see how the numbers matter? How you might feel on the way home after the game on Saturday if if if we get done on the left on Saturday? It is not the actual fee, it is not knowing.
You know the 'price', I do, it's what you and I would pay more or less, not rocket science, it's not being allowed to know.
It all might seem a bit nebulous to you, and if so ignore, but I don't wanna be treated like a child, and KH (I'm still on board, just about) will certainly talk/refer to it in his tortuous way if/when we do get stuffed... | |
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