| Brexit boom on 18:53 - Jul 20 with 1866 views | LeonWasGod |
They're not really trying it on though are they? They've said they'd like reciprocal agreements so that EU and UK citizens in the EU have the same movement rights. To not have that is divisive. But the to have it is divisive too, as EU citizens here and UK citizens in the EU will have more rights than the rest of us.
It's a bit of a f*ck up. |  | |  |
| Brexit boom on 22:02 - Jul 20 with 1836 views | longlostjack |
| Brexit boom on 18:53 - Jul 20 by LeonWasGod |
They're not really trying it on though are they? They've said they'd like reciprocal agreements so that EU and UK citizens in the EU have the same movement rights. To not have that is divisive. But the to have it is divisive too, as EU citizens here and UK citizens in the EU will have more rights than the rest of us.
It's a bit of a f*ck up. |
Exactly. It's the UK that wants to change the rules not the EU. It's the UK that wants to leave the club. We can't then whinge if the changes have the same impact on UK nationals. Why the hell would the EU agree to restrictions on free movement for their members but make an exception for UK citizens? [Post edited 20 Jul 2017 22:06]
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| Brexit boom on 23:00 - Jul 20 with 1818 views | Swans777 |
| Brexit boom on 22:02 - Jul 20 by longlostjack |
Exactly. It's the UK that wants to change the rules not the EU. It's the UK that wants to leave the club. We can't then whinge if the changes have the same impact on UK nationals. Why the hell would the EU agree to restrictions on free movement for their members but make an exception for UK citizens? [Post edited 20 Jul 2017 22:06]
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Who has said the UK wants free movement for its people ?. Did you make that up, or are you believing a fake news story ?.
We are leaving the EU and I think people need to accept this and get behind the country, instead of the constant nonsense we hear on a daily basis. |  | | |
| Brexit boom on 23:12 - Jul 20 with 1810 views | longlostjack |
| Brexit boom on 23:00 - Jul 20 by Swans777 |
Who has said the UK wants free movement for its people ?. Did you make that up, or are you believing a fake news story ?.
We are leaving the EU and I think people need to accept this and get behind the country, instead of the constant nonsense we hear on a daily basis. |
Perhaps they don't and it's a giveaway to appease the little Englanders. Shame for the next generation though. | |
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| Brexit boom on 00:11 - Jul 21 with 1786 views | PozuelosSideys |
As far as im aware on reading whats been released on this, the EU wants the ECJ to have jurisdiction over its citizens in the UK. Thats just not workable and an absolute red line. It makes absolutely no sense.
UK citizens in the EU should and will be under the jurisdiction of the ECJ. Ive not read anywhere that the UK expects jurisdiction in the EU? |  |
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| Brexit boom on 04:46 - Jul 21 with 1761 views | Swans777 |
| Brexit boom on 23:12 - Jul 20 by longlostjack |
Perhaps they don't and it's a giveaway to appease the little Englanders. Shame for the next generation though. |
Ok my friend. We have now established what you said is complete nonsense. Thanks for admitting that.
As for a shame, far from it. We Brits will still be able to travel in Europe as we do throughout the rest of the world. I can jump on a plane and go to almost any country in the world, as long as I have the correct visas in place and I'm not a someone with a criminal record. This will be the case traveling into the EU, post Brexit (without the visa).
So my question to you is , where is the problem ? You will still be able to travel and if you have the correct skills be able to work in the EU, like you already can with countries outside the EU.
And the other side of the coin is, we will be able to say who can come in to the United Kingdom and who can't. (Foreign criminal, economic migrants, people with known terrorist links, etc, all of whom we can't stop arriving in the U.K. at the moment.) [Post edited 21 Jul 2017 4:52]
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| Brexit boom on 04:59 - Jul 21 with 1756 views | Humpty |
| Brexit boom on 23:00 - Jul 20 by Swans777 |
Who has said the UK wants free movement for its people ?. Did you make that up, or are you believing a fake news story ?.
We are leaving the EU and I think people need to accept this and get behind the country, instead of the constant nonsense we hear on a daily basis. |
And this is what has worried me. The brexiteers are now repeating Trumpian nonsense. Anything they don't like is fake news. MABA!.
Sad. Bigly sad! |  | | |
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| Brexit boom on 05:28 - Jul 21 with 1745 views | Humpty |
| Brexit boom on 04:46 - Jul 21 by Swans777 |
Ok my friend. We have now established what you said is complete nonsense. Thanks for admitting that.
As for a shame, far from it. We Brits will still be able to travel in Europe as we do throughout the rest of the world. I can jump on a plane and go to almost any country in the world, as long as I have the correct visas in place and I'm not a someone with a criminal record. This will be the case traveling into the EU, post Brexit (without the visa).
So my question to you is , where is the problem ? You will still be able to travel and if you have the correct skills be able to work in the EU, like you already can with countries outside the EU.
And the other side of the coin is, we will be able to say who can come in to the United Kingdom and who can't. (Foreign criminal, economic migrants, people with known terrorist links, etc, all of whom we can't stop arriving in the U.K. at the moment.) [Post edited 21 Jul 2017 4:52]
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So there we have it.
We can still go on holiday but we will stop all the nasty people coming in. Simplistic nonsense repeated by simple people.
We'll f*ck up our economy just to make Daily Mail readers happy because they think all the brown people will stop coming here. And if you disagree with anything I say it must be fake news.
FFS people. Please don't go down America's road. We will hurt ourselves just to pacify idiots.
Fake news FFS. Because it didn't agree with my worldview. Let's not go there. We have proper news. Let's not let the idiots destroy it. | | | |
| Brexit boom on 09:29 - Jul 21 with 1719 views | Batterseajack |
| Brexit boom on 04:46 - Jul 21 by Swans777 |
Ok my friend. We have now established what you said is complete nonsense. Thanks for admitting that.
As for a shame, far from it. We Brits will still be able to travel in Europe as we do throughout the rest of the world. I can jump on a plane and go to almost any country in the world, as long as I have the correct visas in place and I'm not a someone with a criminal record. This will be the case traveling into the EU, post Brexit (without the visa).
So my question to you is , where is the problem ? You will still be able to travel and if you have the correct skills be able to work in the EU, like you already can with countries outside the EU.
And the other side of the coin is, we will be able to say who can come in to the United Kingdom and who can't. (Foreign criminal, economic migrants, people with known terrorist links, etc, all of whom we can't stop arriving in the U.K. at the moment.) [Post edited 21 Jul 2017 4:52]
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Yet more lies and misstruths.
Foreign Criminals can be denied entry into our country. But the reason they're allowed in is because our Boarder Force is understaffed and not aware they entered the country, hardly the EU's fault.
Under current EU rules, we can return economic migrants to their home country after 6 months if they fail to find any work. But we chose not to enact this.
People with terrorist links can also be denied entry into our country. |  | | |
| Brexit boom on 09:32 - Jul 21 with 1716 views | MarinaJack |
| Brexit boom on 22:02 - Jul 20 by longlostjack |
Exactly. It's the UK that wants to change the rules not the EU. It's the UK that wants to leave the club. We can't then whinge if the changes have the same impact on UK nationals. Why the hell would the EU agree to restrictions on free movement for their members but make an exception for UK citizens? [Post edited 20 Jul 2017 22:06]
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It's not really though is it ? The UK signed up to a very EU than the current model and now when the UK public were given a choice to remain or leave in this model.
We voted leave as is our right now the EU are out to screw us and more worryingly huge numbers of uk people are actually cheering them on to do so
How strange | | | |
| Brexit boom on 09:37 - Jul 21 with 1709 views | Batterseajack |
| Brexit boom on 09:32 - Jul 21 by MarinaJack |
It's not really though is it ? The UK signed up to a very EU than the current model and now when the UK public were given a choice to remain or leave in this model.
We voted leave as is our right now the EU are out to screw us and more worryingly huge numbers of uk people are actually cheering them on to do so
How strange |
On what exactly do you think the EU is screwing us over? | | | |
| Brexit boom on 09:40 - Jul 21 with 1706 views | MarinaJack |
| Brexit boom on 09:37 - Jul 21 by Batterseajack |
On what exactly do you think the EU is screwing us over? |
Not allowing us to check migrants from the eu criminal records for one
Or are you comfortable with convicted paedophiles, rapists etc being allowed entry to the uk with out police forces being aware they are here? | | | |
| Brexit boom on 09:44 - Jul 21 with 1703 views | felixstowe_jack |
The EU has changed the rules many times since we voted to remain in the 70s. The Maastricht and Libson treaties to name but two. These were never voted on or approved by the people of Europe, except Ireland and maybe one or two other countries. If they voted against them they were told to come back with a different answer.
The people have used their democratic right to reject the EU. The EU leaders who are appointed not elected have now invented new rules to try to punish the UK and any other country who wish to exercise their democratic rights. The is the usual response of totalitarian regimes across the world. | |
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| Brexit boom on 09:45 - Jul 21 with 1703 views | Humpty |
| Brexit boom on 09:37 - Jul 21 by Batterseajack |
On what exactly do you think the EU is screwing us over? |
The EU is going to flood us with Eurocriminals. Out of spite.
I read it here. Or the Express. I can't remember. But they are. Believe me. | | | |
| Brexit boom on 09:46 - Jul 21 with 1703 views | Batterseajack |
| Brexit boom on 09:40 - Jul 21 by MarinaJack |
Not allowing us to check migrants from the eu criminal records for one
Or are you comfortable with convicted paedophiles, rapists etc being allowed entry to the uk with out police forces being aware they are here? |
I know its the guardian, but have a quick read if you want to learn more on the subject
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2016/mar/29/eu-dangerous-crim
"Q: But what about the 50 cases of murderers and rapists cited by Vote Leave? Why weren’t they refused entry?
A:The most likely reason is that the UK Border Force was not aware of their criminal convictions when they entered Britain. The worst case cited in the dossier is that of Arnis Zalkalns, a Latvian builder who, having been jailed in his home country for murdering his wife, moved to Britain in 2007 before allegedly murdering 14-year-old Alice Gross in west London.
He came to London before EU laws on sharing information relating to criminal records came into effect in 2012. The limited measure focuses mainly on telling EU member states when one of their citizens has committed an offence abroad, but it may have flagged up Zalkalns before he arrived.
The problem is that the sharing of information regarding criminal convictions across Europe is still at a rudimentary stage. If someone is high profile, has committed serious crimes in several countries, or is on Europol’s wanted list, they are likely to be on the UK Border Force warning list database.
Countries such as Germany, France, Italy, Spain and Portugal flag up potentially dangerous people so that they can be turned away at the border, but some EU states do not yet have the capacity to do this. EU membership means that Britain has access to the Schengen II database, which has details of 250,000 wanted or missing suspects across Europe. The flow of foreign fighters returning from Syria has extended the EU databases tracking their movements." | | | |
| Brexit boom on 09:47 - Jul 21 with 1700 views | MarinaJack |
| Brexit boom on 09:46 - Jul 21 by Batterseajack |
I know its the guardian, but have a quick read if you want to learn more on the subject
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2016/mar/29/eu-dangerous-crim
"Q: But what about the 50 cases of murderers and rapists cited by Vote Leave? Why weren’t they refused entry?
A:The most likely reason is that the UK Border Force was not aware of their criminal convictions when they entered Britain. The worst case cited in the dossier is that of Arnis Zalkalns, a Latvian builder who, having been jailed in his home country for murdering his wife, moved to Britain in 2007 before allegedly murdering 14-year-old Alice Gross in west London.
He came to London before EU laws on sharing information relating to criminal records came into effect in 2012. The limited measure focuses mainly on telling EU member states when one of their citizens has committed an offence abroad, but it may have flagged up Zalkalns before he arrived.
The problem is that the sharing of information regarding criminal convictions across Europe is still at a rudimentary stage. If someone is high profile, has committed serious crimes in several countries, or is on Europol’s wanted list, they are likely to be on the UK Border Force warning list database.
Countries such as Germany, France, Italy, Spain and Portugal flag up potentially dangerous people so that they can be turned away at the border, but some EU states do not yet have the capacity to do this. EU membership means that Britain has access to the Schengen II database, which has details of 250,000 wanted or missing suspects across Europe. The flow of foreign fighters returning from Syria has extended the EU databases tracking their movements." |
Your quoting an article from 2016. I'm quoting from the BBC news last night when the topic was raised
I don't need the guardian to do my research for me thanks sir :) | | | |
| Brexit boom on 09:52 - Jul 21 with 1689 views | Batterseajack |
| Brexit boom on 09:47 - Jul 21 by MarinaJack |
Your quoting an article from 2016. I'm quoting from the BBC news last night when the topic was raised
I don't need the guardian to do my research for me thanks sir :) |
Well i guess out means out. Quelle surprise! | | | |
| Brexit boom on 09:56 - Jul 21 with 1684 views | MarinaJack |
| Brexit boom on 09:52 - Jul 21 by Batterseajack |
Well i guess out means out. Quelle surprise! |
I'm not fussed either way tbh
There are pro's and cons to being in and being out of the EU.
However the result was out and we should respect and stick to it | | | |
| Brexit boom on 10:25 - Jul 21 with 1671 views | the_oracle |
And still the good news continues. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/21/brexit-banking-exodus-ther
Last night on Newsnight we were told we had nothing in place to deal with the various areas of law and trade we will be leaving. The bloke who used to be a UK/EU negotiator said there was no time to put in place anything remotely like we currently have in place through EU law that will suit the EU. This will adversely affect trade and bring areas, such as aviation to a halt. | | | |
| Brexit boom on 10:27 - Jul 21 with 1668 views | MarinaJack |
| Brexit boom on 10:25 - Jul 21 by the_oracle |
And still the good news continues. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/21/brexit-banking-exodus-ther
Last night on Newsnight we were told we had nothing in place to deal with the various areas of law and trade we will be leaving. The bloke who used to be a UK/EU negotiator said there was no time to put in place anything remotely like we currently have in place through EU law that will suit the EU. This will adversely affect trade and bring areas, such as aviation to a halt. |
I'm pretty sure current nations who are not in the eu have an aviation industry ?? | | | |
| Brexit boom on 10:47 - Jul 21 with 1661 views | the_oracle |
| Brexit boom on 10:27 - Jul 21 by MarinaJack |
I'm pretty sure current nations who are not in the eu have an aviation industry ?? |
He said that EU law covers areas like for instance " aviation safety, accreditation for service operations for planes" We will have to set up new agencies to cover this, train staff etc to mirror what we had in EU. This will not be done by 2019. Ask your self why has RyanAir has already begun setting up operations on mainland Europe?
http://uk.businessinsider.com/former-eu-negotiator-mays-government-has-handled-b | | | |
| Brexit boom on 10:54 - Jul 21 with 1652 views | MarinaJack |
| Brexit boom on 10:47 - Jul 21 by the_oracle |
He said that EU law covers areas like for instance " aviation safety, accreditation for service operations for planes" We will have to set up new agencies to cover this, train staff etc to mirror what we had in EU. This will not be done by 2019. Ask your self why has RyanAir has already begun setting up operations on mainland Europe?
http://uk.businessinsider.com/former-eu-negotiator-mays-government-has-handled-b |
Cos planes fall out of the sky all the time in non eu nations like Aus and New Zealand?? | | | |
| Brexit boom on 11:08 - Jul 21 with 1643 views | the_oracle |
| Brexit boom on 10:54 - Jul 21 by MarinaJack |
Cos planes fall out of the sky all the time in non eu nations like Aus and New Zealand?? |
No. They have agencies in place that meet EU rules. We do not. You are silent on the banks departing. I am sure you can tell us how we are going to replace the tax revenue lost. | | | |
| Brexit boom on 11:12 - Jul 21 with 1641 views | MarinaJack |
| Brexit boom on 11:08 - Jul 21 by the_oracle |
No. They have agencies in place that meet EU rules. We do not. You are silent on the banks departing. I am sure you can tell us how we are going to replace the tax revenue lost. |
so now the corporate banks are the good guys?
aren't a load of banks based in places like Switzerland ?
are they in the eu ? not to my knowledge ? | | | |
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