| Peter Hain 22:37 - Dec 11 with 6578 views | Darran |
My mate that sits in the upper west just sent me a text to say he was nearly sick to see Hain running to congratulate the Yanks after the final whistle went.
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| Peter Hain on 11:52 - Dec 12 with 1251 views | Wingstandwood |
| Peter Hain on 11:29 - Dec 12 by waynekerr55 |
Yet he continually won re-election...
Says a lot about the electorate really! |
It does indeed! I watched a Wales This Week programme that said that Wales has a transport system that has been underinvested for 50 years and I naturally assume that means it has been left to rot in the most despicable of ways.
Major investment was last seen during an era when the average house price was £2,530.... a boxer called Cassius Clay was seen on black and white TV and when my late father used to start the family Austin Cambridge up with a wind-up crank handle. |  |
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| Peter Hain on 11:52 - Dec 12 with 1249 views | Clinton |
He supported and took the Anti-apartheid movement forward in this country and risked arrest to do so. He sought to undermine the establishment at the time, the establishment supported the white leadership.
He seems to have now become adept at joining that very establishment he so vehemently opposed. That portly figure in his tailored suits wouldn't look amiss on the Tory benches, in spite of having wormed his way into one of the safest Labour seats around. |  |
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| Peter Hain on 12:21 - Dec 12 with 1212 views | DafyddHuw |
| Peter Hain on 23:19 - Dec 11 by Darran |
Oh fùck off Hain is a money grabbing dirty cùnt.
You reckon he bought a ticket yesterday? You reckon you can buy tickets for the directors box? You reckon he paid for parking when Swansea City disabled season ticket holders have to pay?
Puke stuff. |
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| Peter Hain on 12:27 - Dec 12 with 1200 views | nice_to_michu |
| Peter Hain on 11:25 - Dec 12 by Wingstandwood |
Mandela was a man of supreme self sacrifice and Hain was a man of supreme self-service. It's heartening to see that the vast majority of people on this forum have the intelligence, sophistication and savvy to have sussed out Hain completely. |
So, I'll ask again, precisely which policies that he has voted for are obviously against the "working class" as you out it?
What have you "sussed" out about him? |  | | |
| Peter Hain on 12:27 - Dec 12 with 1196 views | DafyddHuw |
| Peter Hain on 11:52 - Dec 12 by Clinton |
He supported and took the Anti-apartheid movement forward in this country and risked arrest to do so. He sought to undermine the establishment at the time, the establishment supported the white leadership.
He seems to have now become adept at joining that very establishment he so vehemently opposed. That portly figure in his tailored suits wouldn't look amiss on the Tory benches, in spite of having wormed his way into one of the safest Labour seats around. |
Exactly. I'm no Hainist, but at the time he wasn't an MP. he was just like you or me, and he did fantastically for the anti-apartheid movement.
Unfortunately, since then it's been all downhill and he's not recognisable as that character from his youth any more. | | | |
| Peter Hain on 12:31 - Dec 12 with 1193 views | DafyddHuw |
| Peter Hain on 11:23 - Dec 12 by oldcob |
He and his supporters in the anti apartheid group were sprinkling glass on the pitch before games against the Springbok rugby team when he was younger, as a protest. Yeah, a real sport supporter. |
All the more shamr on the egg organisations for having to be humbled into calling off playing against South Africa rather than taking a principled stand. | | | |
| Peter Hain on 12:33 - Dec 12 with 1191 views | blueytheblue |
| Peter Hain on 12:31 - Dec 12 by DafyddHuw |
All the more shamr on the egg organisations for having to be humbled into calling off playing against South Africa rather than taking a principled stand. |
Funnily enough, can't recall anyone claiming cricket matches shouldn't have been played against South Africa due to their "quota" system, which meant KP ended up becoming British. |  |
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| Peter Hain on 12:43 - Dec 12 with 1171 views | nice_to_michu |
| Peter Hain on 11:52 - Dec 12 by Clinton |
He supported and took the Anti-apartheid movement forward in this country and risked arrest to do so. He sought to undermine the establishment at the time, the establishment supported the white leadership.
He seems to have now become adept at joining that very establishment he so vehemently opposed. That portly figure in his tailored suits wouldn't look amiss on the Tory benches, in spite of having wormed his way into one of the safest Labour seats around. |
Aside from the crime of wearing a nice suit, please let me know which policies of his are against the wishes of constituents in Neath?
Or perhaps you would prefer an MP of Jeremy Corbyn's ilk, who have no realistic chance (thank the lord) of gaining power? Or maybe you would like Planet Swans' very own, Leanne Wood, who leads a party with barely any commitment to genuine socialism, and even has former Tories within its ranks in the Assembly? Everyone knows her heads on the chopping block and it's a matter of time before the more right-wing Iorawth takes over.
None of those options, even if Leanne Wood was the second-coming of Aneurin Bevan, could deliver a purely left-wing agenda for Neath as they could never form a government anyway (hello SNP).To pursue such ideological purity is to neglect your duty to deliver what is feasibly possible for residents in Neath.
It's not about sacrificing your beliefs (see Aneurin Bevan and nuclear weapons), it's about being a grown up and doing what you can do within realistic boundaries. Change can happen, but it takes time. | | | |
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| Peter Hain on 12:46 - Dec 12 with 1161 views | blueytheblue |
Other than 1918, can you cite an election in Neath where anyone other than a Labourite won?
It's thus kinda irrelevant what his personal policies are, you could put a red rosette on a hamster and it would win...
EDIT : In 1992, 30,903 voted for Hain in Neath. Figure dropped every election - his final one being 17,172 in 2010. As in close to halving the vote for him during his tenure. I guess the constituents in Neath weren't that impressed? The current Labour drone there lost more votes, down to 16,270... [Post edited 12 Dec 2016 12:50]
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| Peter Hain on 12:53 - Dec 12 with 1143 views | nice_to_michu |
| Peter Hain on 12:46 - Dec 12 by blueytheblue |
Other than 1918, can you cite an election in Neath where anyone other than a Labourite won?
It's thus kinda irrelevant what his personal policies are, you could put a red rosette on a hamster and it would win...
EDIT : In 1992, 30,903 voted for Hain in Neath. Figure dropped every election - his final one being 17,172 in 2010. As in close to halving the vote for him during his tenure. I guess the constituents in Neath weren't that impressed? The current Labour drone there lost more votes, down to 16,270... [Post edited 12 Dec 2016 12:50]
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Same can be said of Tory strongholds.
I lived in Somerset for a few years amongst "true-blues", they did a fantastic amount of complaining and their local council was rubbish. I'm sure the local Tory MP was a nice bloke and the councillors were doing their jobs as best they could, but I've seen far better local authorities than that.
It's the way the cookie crumbles.
Perhaps we should give the establishment a "kick up the backside" and elect a non-mainstream party, like the Greens? They ran the local authority in Brighton down to the ground and, unbelievably, ranked among the worst performing local authorities in Britain for recycling and waste management. | | | |
| Peter Hain on 12:56 - Dec 12 with 1138 views | blueytheblue |
| Peter Hain on 12:53 - Dec 12 by nice_to_michu |
Same can be said of Tory strongholds.
I lived in Somerset for a few years amongst "true-blues", they did a fantastic amount of complaining and their local council was rubbish. I'm sure the local Tory MP was a nice bloke and the councillors were doing their jobs as best they could, but I've seen far better local authorities than that.
It's the way the cookie crumbles.
Perhaps we should give the establishment a "kick up the backside" and elect a non-mainstream party, like the Greens? They ran the local authority in Brighton down to the ground and, unbelievably, ranked among the worst performing local authorities in Britain for recycling and waste management. |
Indeed - my point was that Hain didn't need to be approaching competent for his constituents as any Labourite would win. The fact he lost votes every election was telling.
Greens are an utter joke. Lucas aside, the rest are blithering idiots to say the least. | |
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| Peter Hain on 13:02 - Dec 12 with 1130 views | nice_to_michu |
| Peter Hain on 12:56 - Dec 12 by blueytheblue |
Indeed - my point was that Hain didn't need to be approaching competent for his constituents as any Labourite would win. The fact he lost votes every election was telling.
Greens are an utter joke. Lucas aside, the rest are blithering idiots to say the least. |
Yeh I take your point about it being irrelevant how good or bad Hain was, because he would get elected anyway.
The fact that he served in a couple of cabinets suggests that he isn't a total idiot as some, not all, are suggesting.
Although I would never vote for the guy, my MP is a Tory and I would prefer it if he was a cabinet member. But he's not. | | | |
| Peter Hain on 13:05 - Dec 12 with 1118 views | blueytheblue |
| Peter Hain on 13:02 - Dec 12 by nice_to_michu |
Yeh I take your point about it being irrelevant how good or bad Hain was, because he would get elected anyway.
The fact that he served in a couple of cabinets suggests that he isn't a total idiot as some, not all, are suggesting.
Although I would never vote for the guy, my MP is a Tory and I would prefer it if he was a cabinet member. But he's not. |
Dianne Abbott has sat in a cabinet... sadly a lot of the time it's who you know.
Amazng how he changed his view away from his belief in a united Ireland though. | |
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| Peter Hain on 13:11 - Dec 12 with 1110 views | nice_to_michu |
| Peter Hain on 13:05 - Dec 12 by blueytheblue |
Dianne Abbott has sat in a cabinet... sadly a lot of the time it's who you know.
Amazng how he changed his view away from his belief in a united Ireland though. |
Well yeh but I think that is quite telling of how things are different when you see both sides, talk to them, have meetings with them, understand where the red lines are in terms of negotiation and then try and deliver the best (most peaceful) solution.
From the outside we tend to look at things in a zero-sum sort of way. That's not realistic in my opinion and doesn't serve anyone any good ultimately.
I have heard Hain speak about the NI peace process before in person and I've heard others speak about it from different points of view, we can't do the whole thing justice to minimise it to just a collection of "self-serving" MPS trying to sell books and be famous, as some suggest. | | | |
| Peter Hain on 13:23 - Dec 12 with 1093 views | Dyfnant |
IIRC he claimed over £3K for heating oil for his house in South Wales for a single year on expenses. He's clearly either selling it or needed to put windows & a roof on his house |  |
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| Peter Hain on 13:43 - Dec 12 with 1051 views | waynekerr55 |
| Peter Hain on 13:23 - Dec 12 by Dyfnant |
IIRC he claimed over £3K for heating oil for his house in South Wales for a single year on expenses. He's clearly either selling it or needed to put windows & a roof on his house |
Sharing his wealth with the lumpen proletariat, mun... |  |
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| Peter Hain on 13:45 - Dec 12 with 1050 views | Highjack |
| Peter Hain on 12:43 - Dec 12 by nice_to_michu |
Aside from the crime of wearing a nice suit, please let me know which policies of his are against the wishes of constituents in Neath?
Or perhaps you would prefer an MP of Jeremy Corbyn's ilk, who have no realistic chance (thank the lord) of gaining power? Or maybe you would like Planet Swans' very own, Leanne Wood, who leads a party with barely any commitment to genuine socialism, and even has former Tories within its ranks in the Assembly? Everyone knows her heads on the chopping block and it's a matter of time before the more right-wing Iorawth takes over.
None of those options, even if Leanne Wood was the second-coming of Aneurin Bevan, could deliver a purely left-wing agenda for Neath as they could never form a government anyway (hello SNP).To pursue such ideological purity is to neglect your duty to deliver what is feasibly possible for residents in Neath.
It's not about sacrificing your beliefs (see Aneurin Bevan and nuclear weapons), it's about being a grown up and doing what you can do within realistic boundaries. Change can happen, but it takes time. |
If you are talking about his work in the constituency then he was in charge for over 25 years and no bugger ever saw him apart from election time. Neath has turned from quite a busy market town into a town centre full of card, charity and cash for gold shops. There's been zero investment in the whole town, certain parts are absolutely no go areas because of the scumbags launching fireworks at people for fun because there's f uck all else to do.
The whole place has been neglected and he as you point out was one of the most powerful and influential people in the country and still did the square root of absolute f uck all for the area he was supposed to represent. You never saw or heard the orange oompah loompah faced bastard west of the Severn bridge. [Post edited 12 Dec 2016 13:49]
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| Peter Hain on 14:07 - Dec 12 with 1029 views | nice_to_michu |
| Peter Hain on 13:45 - Dec 12 by Highjack |
If you are talking about his work in the constituency then he was in charge for over 25 years and no bugger ever saw him apart from election time. Neath has turned from quite a busy market town into a town centre full of card, charity and cash for gold shops. There's been zero investment in the whole town, certain parts are absolutely no go areas because of the scumbags launching fireworks at people for fun because there's f uck all else to do.
The whole place has been neglected and he as you point out was one of the most powerful and influential people in the country and still did the square root of absolute f uck all for the area he was supposed to represent. You never saw or heard the orange oompah loompah faced bastard west of the Severn bridge. [Post edited 12 Dec 2016 13:49]
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I think it's great that some MPs knock on people's door on a regular basis, but it simply isn't an option for minister so because of diary commitments.
Im sure he held regular surgeries and I'm sure that you could make an appointment to see him if there was an issue you wanted to bring to his attention.
As for Neath having "no-go" areas I think that is quite an exaggeration. I don't live in Neath but I've been there for work and beer and all that many times, I haven't heard many people describe "no-go" areas.
As I said before, I also lived in a true-blue constituency in England for a few years, represented by David Heathcote-Amery no less, and there were plenty of unsightly places near the small town centres and lots of problems with local thugs.
Being an MP doesn't mean you have a blank cheque to rebuild towns in your own constituency. Peter Hain was only in Government for nine years out of his entire time as an MP, that's less than half of his time in Westminster. | | | |
| Peter Hain on 17:24 - Dec 12 with 963 views | Clinton |
| Peter Hain on 12:43 - Dec 12 by nice_to_michu |
Aside from the crime of wearing a nice suit, please let me know which policies of his are against the wishes of constituents in Neath?
Or perhaps you would prefer an MP of Jeremy Corbyn's ilk, who have no realistic chance (thank the lord) of gaining power? Or maybe you would like Planet Swans' very own, Leanne Wood, who leads a party with barely any commitment to genuine socialism, and even has former Tories within its ranks in the Assembly? Everyone knows her heads on the chopping block and it's a matter of time before the more right-wing Iorawth takes over.
None of those options, even if Leanne Wood was the second-coming of Aneurin Bevan, could deliver a purely left-wing agenda for Neath as they could never form a government anyway (hello SNP).To pursue such ideological purity is to neglect your duty to deliver what is feasibly possible for residents in Neath.
It's not about sacrificing your beliefs (see Aneurin Bevan and nuclear weapons), it's about being a grown up and doing what you can do within realistic boundaries. Change can happen, but it takes time. |
What about such antics as failing to declare up to £100,000 of donations during his attempt to become deputy leader of the Labour Party (for which the Met provided a file to the CPS who did not prosecute, but Hain did pay back a 25 grand "loan").
Im sure that did the good people of his constituency a lot of good. | |
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With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! |
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| Peter Hain on 17:40 - Dec 12 with 954 views | TheCooler |
Thats not the electorate, thats the labour party for you, need a safe seat for one of the boys - Neath will do!! As they did recently with Andrew Kinnock the Hon Member for Aberavon, member of the Kinnock dynasty, - (please don't tell them your kids go to a public school, the plebs won't like that - we'll break it to them after the election and say sorry he misread the question)!!!!
Fair play he used his massive influence to save the steel industry in Wales!! Well done taf you can go back to London now, job done | | | |
| Peter Hain on 17:52 - Dec 12 with 935 views | perchrockjack |
Mind you, it could be said getting rid of apartheid has really benefitted South Africa , a wealthy economy with an educated people in a burgeoning economy with a safe environment | |
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| Peter Hain on 20:21 - Dec 12 with 875 views | bonymine |
| Peter Hain on 17:52 - Dec 12 by perchrockjack |
Mind you, it could be said getting rid of apartheid has really benefitted South Africa , a wealthy economy with an educated people in a burgeoning economy with a safe environment |
Why is he there .....
Absolute waQueur I feel.......
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| Peter Hain on 20:22 - Dec 12 with 873 views | Loyal |
Freeloading piece of shit, |  |
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| Peter Hain on 21:51 - Dec 12 with 823 views | max936 |
| Peter Hain on 22:39 - Dec 11 by Dr_Winston |
Hain is a collossal c*nt. |
He's worse than that, he's a grovelling, snidey, free loading, self important c@@t. |  |
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| Peter Hain on 21:56 - Dec 12 with 819 views | max936 |
| Peter Hain on 22:54 - Dec 11 by WxmJax |
Not fair, he had to replace that iPhone, iPad and PC just before the cut off time before the last general election that he was standing down in because they were broken or something like that. No rules were broken. |
And that's why things like the NHS, Roads and other amenities are in the state they are, never mind though they're putting the Council Tax up now so they can waste more of our hard earned money. | |
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