| Trump and Vance 18:21 - Feb 28 with 6602 views | raynor94 |
Unbelievable scenes in the White House, both accusing Zelensky of being disrespectful and starting World War 3.
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| Trump and Vance on 13:15 - Mar 4 with 822 views | controversial_jack |
| Trump and Vance on 12:52 - Mar 4 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You are aligned with Putin. Things are not complicated. He poisons people including UK citizens. He has a track record of invading foreign lands and occupying them. ( Different to US).
He is a dictator that intimidates and kills his rivals like Navallny. Ukraine wanted to break away from him and it was never going to be easy. Ukraine removed the government in 2014 by will of the people (possibly with US help).
You need to look for n the mirror and ask yourself why you support Putin on here. He is a very nasty piece of work. |
Let's address each of your points
He did not poison anyone. The Incident in Salisbury was not Novichok. A pinhead could kill 10,000. it would have wiped out most of the town. It's the most toxic substance know to man , therefore it was not Novichok
The US has bombed or invaded over 30 countries since the end of ww2, Russia about 5
Navalny was a know druggie with health issues. He died from natural causes, even the head of the Ukranian intelligence has said so. He wasn't even a major opposition
The legit Ukranian govt was overthrown by a violent coup orchestrated in some part by the CIA
Everything you stated is completely wrong and you are extremely ill informed. |  | | |
| Trump and Vance on 13:50 - Mar 4 with 793 views | Scotia |
| Trump and Vance on 12:33 - Mar 4 by mangohilljack |
Once again, you’ve demonstrated that you lack the ability to engage in a constructive debate. Instead of addressing the points raised, you resort to the same tired rhetoric, throwing around baseless accusations of racism and anti-Semitism—without a shred of evidence to support your claims.
I don’t typically put people on ignore, but given the level of discourse you bring to the table, I see no reason to continue engaging. I’ll simply disregard your posts moving forward—not out of frustration, but because debating with someone who behaves like the class clown in a schoolyard is a waste of time.
Honestly, I feel sorry for you. |
What have I fabricated?
You deleted the last antisemitic post as you well know.
You won't continue to engage becasue you can't. | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 13:55 - Mar 4 with 787 views | Scotia |
| Trump and Vance on 12:51 - Mar 4 by KeithHaynes |
Can you report the racism and anti semitism you have seen, it makes the work of the mods far easier. |
There hasn't been any in this thread - the last lot was deleted. He has posted plenty of rubbish though. | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 14:09 - Mar 4 with 764 views | mangohilljack |
| Trump and Vance on 13:55 - Mar 4 by Scotia |
There hasn't been any in this thread - the last lot was deleted. He has posted plenty of rubbish though. |
I fully accept that you may believe what I’m posting is rubbish simply because it doesn’t align with your views. That’s your prerogative.
However, throwing around baseless accusations of racism and anti-Semitism is completely out of order when I have said nothing of the sort. In fact, I recently edited a post after someone pointed out a potential issue—not because I agreed with their interpretation, but out of respect for the discussion and the forum.
While I didn’t personally see my comment as anti-Semitic, I acknowledged how things are in Starmer’s UK, where even the most innocuous statements can be twisted and weaponised. To avoid unnecessary distractions, I chose to edit it.
Resorting to false accusations of racism—a classic tool of the Antifa/cancel culture, far-left crowd—is not only dishonest but entirely predictable. It’s a lazy tactic used to shut down debate when there are no real counterarguments to be made. | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 14:47 - Mar 4 with 741 views | Scotia |
| Trump and Vance on 14:09 - Mar 4 by mangohilljack |
I fully accept that you may believe what I’m posting is rubbish simply because it doesn’t align with your views. That’s your prerogative.
However, throwing around baseless accusations of racism and anti-Semitism is completely out of order when I have said nothing of the sort. In fact, I recently edited a post after someone pointed out a potential issue—not because I agreed with their interpretation, but out of respect for the discussion and the forum.
While I didn’t personally see my comment as anti-Semitic, I acknowledged how things are in Starmer’s UK, where even the most innocuous statements can be twisted and weaponised. To avoid unnecessary distractions, I chose to edit it.
Resorting to false accusations of racism—a classic tool of the Antifa/cancel culture, far-left crowd—is not only dishonest but entirely predictable. It’s a lazy tactic used to shut down debate when there are no real counterarguments to be made. |
Post it again then. It's that simple. It was antisemitic, nothing "potential" about it. You've posted similar previously. It was more akin to 1930's Germany than Starmer's UK in 2025.
The potential issue that was pointed out was that you could have been arrested.
I don't throw baseless accusations around. I'm not even left wing, let alone antifa. Politically I'm a centrist, I just won't tolerate discrimination especially when it's based on conspiracy and ignorance. | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 16:31 - Mar 4 with 685 views | union_jack |
| Trump and Vance on 12:24 - Mar 4 by mangohilljack |
Yes, Russia did roll its tanks into Ukraine—that’s undeniable. But the real question is: why? Those who truly understand the history will tell you that it was driven by two key factors:
1️⃣ To stop the ethnic cleansing in the Donbass region, where Ukrainian forces had been shelling civilians for eight years.
2️⃣ To prevent NATO from turning Ukraine into a military base, threatening Russia’s security.
And while we’re on the topic—are you aware that gangs of thugs, so-called ‘body snatchers,’ are roaming the streets of Ukraine, beating young men and forcing them to the front lines? Is that something you consider acceptable?
You keep bringing up referendums—so let’s talk about them:
🔹 In Crimea, over 90% of voters chose to return to Russia in a referendum.
🔹 In Donbass, the people declared independence, yet Kyiv refused to let them go. Instead of respecting their choice, Ukraine waged war against its own citizens, shelling civilians for years.
Where was the Western outrage then? Nowhere to be seen.
As for Putin, he would be a fool to provoke a NATO member, and there is no credible evidence that he has any intention of doing so.
And let’s be absolutely clear—I’m not trying to be clever. I’m simply stating the facts. Even if I focused only on recent years, the reality of this situation would remain the same. |
To be honest, I hope Ukraine does get NATO membership as all of us in the west should. The more we can defend ourselves from the Russian regime the better.
Crimea is strategically important so I can understand why Ukraine wants to keep it and again for Western security I don’t blame them. I’d encourage it. Russia wants it for their own strategic purposes which I’d rather they didn’t.
Regarding Donbas, was that an official referendum or just an informal Declaration of Independence?
Russia is a hostile state who would grab more and more until they are stopped so it’s best done now than in the future.
I appreciate the reply by the way, that was quite informative. |  |
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| Trump and Vance on 18:47 - Mar 4 with 617 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Trump and Vance on 01:49 - Mar 4 by mangohilljack |
If you think I have the time or inclination to do your research for you, think again. It’s not my job to educate you—especially when the facts are readily available to anyone willing to look beyond the mainstream narrative.
You can continue unknowingly supporting those driving us toward World War III and global destruction, while I’ll keep standing with those working toward genuine peace.
At least I’ll be able to sleep at night, knowing I was on the right side of history—can you say the same? |
I'm not asking you to do MY research, Scotia already looked and posted the relevant fact, that you pasted and copied from a Texan DJ....more fool you.
It's not your job to post propaganda for |russia either yet you and another do just that. You couldn't possibly educate me because you ppost a lot of rabid nonsense.
Who am I supporting? The people of Ukraine is who, and their right to live peacefully in their own country AND to not be attacked by Russians or blackmailed by Americans. Maybe you missed what Vance has said, "The very best security guarantee is to give Americans economic upside in the future of Ukraine.
"That is a way better security guarantee than 20,000 troops from some random country that hasn't fought a war in 30 or 40 years."
So basically, give America lots of money and you'll be ok even when they won't provide guarantees.
I don't doubt you'll sleep at night, ignorance is bliss after all. I sleep just fine and as for the right side of history, surely that is the side that wants peace and freedom for Ukraine with no strings attached? | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 19:33 - Mar 4 with 570 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Trump and Vance on 13:15 - Mar 4 by controversial_jack |
Let's address each of your points
He did not poison anyone. The Incident in Salisbury was not Novichok. A pinhead could kill 10,000. it would have wiped out most of the town. It's the most toxic substance know to man , therefore it was not Novichok
The US has bombed or invaded over 30 countries since the end of ww2, Russia about 5
Navalny was a know druggie with health issues. He died from natural causes, even the head of the Ukranian intelligence has said so. He wasn't even a major opposition
The legit Ukranian govt was overthrown by a violent coup orchestrated in some part by the CIA
Everything you stated is completely wrong and you are extremely ill informed. |
There was the incident of the spy in London as well. Dangerous Russian chemicals were being distributed in the UK killing one citizen with no apology.
We are not discussing USA but Russia.
Russian propaganda also calls Zelenski a drug addict. I have
seen no evidence for this. Navallny was know to have been poisoned as well and his health was attributed to this. A spell in an artic prison was not the best way to treat him.
There is no major opposition as they gave been jailed or assassinated like Boris Mentzov on a bridge in Moscow.
The government change he was by the will of the people who wanted to join the EU then and still do..only Putin stops them.
I follow this issue very closely and my opinions are based on reading. I also watched RT before the war and the Duran Scott Ritter Gen McGregor and Professor Sachs and Galloway who I regard as all paid for by RT. The Duran's director is Peter Lavelle who hosted many RT shows which I watched. I have an open mind. [Post edited 4 Mar 19:36]
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| Trump and Vance on 09:50 - Mar 5 with 438 views | controversial_jack |
| Trump and Vance on 19:33 - Mar 4 by ReslovenSwan1 |
There was the incident of the spy in London as well. Dangerous Russian chemicals were being distributed in the UK killing one citizen with no apology.
We are not discussing USA but Russia.
Russian propaganda also calls Zelenski a drug addict. I have
seen no evidence for this. Navallny was know to have been poisoned as well and his health was attributed to this. A spell in an artic prison was not the best way to treat him.
There is no major opposition as they gave been jailed or assassinated like Boris Mentzov on a bridge in Moscow.
The government change he was by the will of the people who wanted to join the EU then and still do..only Putin stops them.
I follow this issue very closely and my opinions are based on reading. I also watched RT before the war and the Duran Scott Ritter Gen McGregor and Professor Sachs and Galloway who I regard as all paid for by RT. The Duran's director is Peter Lavelle who hosted many RT shows which I watched. I have an open mind. [Post edited 4 Mar 19:36]
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As of September 2018, 64 parties are registered in Russia. 14 parties participated in the elections to the State Duma of the 7th convocation in 2016.
Putin is openly criticised by many on social media, but still got overwhelming support in the last election, which had a very large turnout.
As I stated Navalny died from natural causes, this has been confirmed by the head of Ukranian intelligence. A term in prison wouldn't have helped i agree, but they do have a tough prison system | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 09:58 - Mar 5 with 430 views | raynor94 |
| Trump and Vance on 13:15 - Mar 4 by controversial_jack |
Let's address each of your points
He did not poison anyone. The Incident in Salisbury was not Novichok. A pinhead could kill 10,000. it would have wiped out most of the town. It's the most toxic substance know to man , therefore it was not Novichok
The US has bombed or invaded over 30 countries since the end of ww2, Russia about 5
Navalny was a know druggie with health issues. He died from natural causes, even the head of the Ukranian intelligence has said so. He wasn't even a major opposition
The legit Ukranian govt was overthrown by a violent coup orchestrated in some part by the CIA
Everything you stated is completely wrong and you are extremely ill informed. |
Everybody agrees that it was novichok that was used in Salisbury bar you, mmmm you must be right, do you agree the Skripals and others were poisoned? | |
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| Trump and Vance on 10:04 - Mar 5 with 418 views | controversial_jack |
| Trump and Vance on 09:58 - Mar 5 by raynor94 |
Everybody agrees that it was novichok that was used in Salisbury bar you, mmmm you must be right, do you agree the Skripals and others were poisoned? |
Use some critical thinking skills. As I stated it's the most lethal substance know to man, one drop can kill 10,000, yet nothing on that scale happened. There are far easier ways to assassinate ppl than this. | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 10:08 - Mar 5 with 419 views | Scotia |
| Trump and Vance on 10:04 - Mar 5 by controversial_jack |
Use some critical thinking skills. As I stated it's the most lethal substance know to man, one drop can kill 10,000, yet nothing on that scale happened. There are far easier ways to assassinate ppl than this. |
It's not a substance. It's a group of substances, some more deadly than others. You're referring to the neat form of the most deadly type, that is basically unmanageable and therefore useless as a weapon.
For it to be used as a weapon it has to prepared and diluted. | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 11:00 - Mar 5 with 386 views | raynor94 |
| Trump and Vance on 10:04 - Mar 5 by controversial_jack |
Use some critical thinking skills. As I stated it's the most lethal substance know to man, one drop can kill 10,000, yet nothing on that scale happened. There are far easier ways to assassinate ppl than this. |
As Scotia has posted it needs to be prepared and diluted to be used as a weapon, which it obviously was.
Perhaps you could use some critical thinking skills🤔 | |
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| Trump and Vance on 12:54 - Mar 5 with 346 views | controversial_jack |
| Trump and Vance on 11:00 - Mar 5 by raynor94 |
As Scotia has posted it needs to be prepared and diluted to be used as a weapon, which it obviously was.
Perhaps you could use some critical thinking skills🤔 |
If that is so and it's not, why would they go to the trouble of all that when there are other simpler ways of doing the job. How would they get this substance from Russia into the country through customs and security - a bit risky I would think lol | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 15:02 - Mar 5 with 315 views | raynor94 |
| Trump and Vance on 12:54 - Mar 5 by controversial_jack |
If that is so and it's not, why would they go to the trouble of all that when there are other simpler ways of doing the job. How would they get this substance from Russia into the country through customs and security - a bit risky I would think lol |
Perhaps you should ask the 2 Russians who were identified, but as you well know Russia wouldn't allow the pair to return to face justice.
Oh well it's back to falling from height for Putin critics now | |
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| Trump and Vance on 16:00 - Mar 5 with 290 views | controversial_jack |
| Trump and Vance on 15:02 - Mar 5 by raynor94 |
Perhaps you should ask the 2 Russians who were identified, but as you well know Russia wouldn't allow the pair to return to face justice.
Oh well it's back to falling from height for Putin critics now |
Maybe, because they were set up by our lot | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 16:17 - Mar 5 with 278 views | raynor94 |
| Trump and Vance on 16:00 - Mar 5 by controversial_jack |
Maybe, because they were set up by our lot |
It's unlike you to be obtuse | |
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| Trump and Vance on 19:05 - Mar 5 with 227 views | max936 |
| Trump and Vance on 16:17 - Mar 5 by raynor94 |
It's unlike you to be obtuse |
Why do you bother Rayn's he another one to ignore, it's the way forward. |  |
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| Trump and Vance on 19:31 - Mar 5 with 213 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Trump and Vance on 16:17 - Mar 5 by raynor94 |
It's unlike you to be obtuse |
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| Trump and Vance on 19:33 - Mar 5 with 201 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Trump and Vance on 19:05 - Mar 5 by max936 |
Why do you bother Rayn's he another one to ignore, it's the way forward. |
I finally gave in to what I now know was the inevitable, I've put 3 people on ignore because they just aren;'t worth any more time and effort and their repetitive and obvious nonsense just got boring. | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 20:01 - Mar 5 with 180 views | onehunglow |
Ok,it's me, but I find it impossible to see just how any Brit of sound mine can support Trump who is clearly insane
Same applies to Russia and Zpitin
I read a post actually denying Putin being responsible for poisoning dissidents
It's hard to engage with such arrogance
Clearly , we are reading Russian propaganda
Russia, the most lethal country on earth with the most callous denizens imaginable
A country that has kept whole swathes of Europe under its power
Power is what it is all about | |
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| Trump and Vance on 20:06 - Mar 5 with 174 views | Scotia |
| Trump and Vance on 19:33 - Mar 5 by SullutaCreturned |
I finally gave in to what I now know was the inevitable, I've put 3 people on ignore because they just aren;'t worth any more time and effort and their repetitive and obvious nonsense just got boring. |
I understand where you're coming from. I try to ignore some posters but the nonsense posted occasionally gets the better of me.
And I don't mean people I don't agree with. I mean propaganda, ignorance, arrogance and stupidity. | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 11:37 - Mar 6 with 70 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Trump and Vance on 20:06 - Mar 5 by Scotia |
I understand where you're coming from. I try to ignore some posters but the nonsense posted occasionally gets the better of me.
And I don't mean people I don't agree with. I mean propaganda, ignorance, arrogance and stupidity. |
Yeah, I used to enjoy having a go back but it just gets boring in time.
I mean, myself and you have different viewpoints on a few things but I don't think either of us has quite moved to the lunatic fringe yet.
I can't deny I can be a bit ignorant at times mind | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 12:09 - Mar 6 with 57 views | controversial_jack |
| Trump and Vance on 20:01 - Mar 5 by onehunglow |
Ok,it's me, but I find it impossible to see just how any Brit of sound mine can support Trump who is clearly insane
Same applies to Russia and Zpitin
I read a post actually denying Putin being responsible for poisoning dissidents
It's hard to engage with such arrogance
Clearly , we are reading Russian propaganda
Russia, the most lethal country on earth with the most callous denizens imaginable
A country that has kept whole swathes of Europe under its power
Power is what it is all about |
Unlike the US who have bombed or attacked over 30 countries since ww2 , or the British empire that killed 10 of millions in India alone. If you think Russia is worse then you have serious problems.
Don't forget, it was Russian military that kicked the NAZIS out of most of Europe | | | |
| Trump and Vance on 12:34 - Mar 6 with 37 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Trump and Vance on 16:31 - Mar 4 by union_jack |
To be honest, I hope Ukraine does get NATO membership as all of us in the west should. The more we can defend ourselves from the Russian regime the better.
Crimea is strategically important so I can understand why Ukraine wants to keep it and again for Western security I don’t blame them. I’d encourage it. Russia wants it for their own strategic purposes which I’d rather they didn’t.
Regarding Donbas, was that an official referendum or just an informal Declaration of Independence?
Russia is a hostile state who would grab more and more until they are stopped so it’s best done now than in the future.
I appreciate the reply by the way, that was quite informative. |
That referendum was held by the Russian installed authorities with armed guards at the polling booths and people not allowed to vote in secret.
From the news,
Refat Chubarov, leader of the Tatars' unofficial parliament, said the referendum was illegal, and held in a hasty manner under the control of Russian troops.
"The fate of our motherland cannot be decided in such a referendum under the shadows of the guns of soldiers," he told the BBC.
The Tatars were deported to Central Asia by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin. They were only able to return with the fall of the Soviet Union and many want to remain in Ukraine.
But the referendum did not have an option for those who wanted the constitutional arrangements to remain unchanged.
Voters were asked whether they wanted to join Russia, or have greater autonomy within Ukraine.
So, the voters didn't even have an option to remain unchanged within Ukraine, it wasn't a free and fair vote and anybody who says it was is just a Russian mouthpiece. | | | |
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