| Grimes Beef 23:55 - Aug 26 with 4290 views | GVJack |
What is it about Matt Grimes that gets so many negative comments. I hold my hand up, I'm one of the supporters who is seemingly frustrated by him, but struggling to really pinpoint why.
This is a player who should be edging on club legends status and have a statue outside the stadium. He's been with us nearly 10 years (in January) and is going into this fith year as captain.
He's fit as a fiddle and clearly takes care of his body through being a professional athlete.
Every time I hear him speak he seems like a very mature and well respected guy representing the club professionally and with maturity.
Yet Despite all this I still have this yearning to see him moved out of the team. I don't know if that's because :-
A) he's a victim of his own versatility and is told play numerous roles by numerous managers
B) he's a victim of the 'Swansea Style' and isn't suitable to play the way we have wanted to play over the last 3-4 years in particular.
C) He's just not that good? (We did sign him from League 2 after all)
It's just an enigma I can't quite get my head around. I want to love him... But can't (but I do massively respect him).
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| Grimes Beef on 14:43 - Aug 27 with 983 views | jack247 |
| Grimes Beef on 13:05 - Aug 27 by onehunglow |
He is
That our erstwhile coaches see and saw him as pre - eminent is the reason why we are struggling to progress
I honestly believe other coaches praise is pyss taking as they are simply setting him up and our fans .
Nobody has truly wanted to buy him.
That says it all.
I read it’s because he loves the city.
Bren said that too yet offskied when it suited asap.
Grimes is a very lucky boy indeed
It is our club that matters not him.
I pray we have the guts to flog him |
Right. So the five managers we’ve had since being in the Championship all play him every game and that’s because they all happen to be a bad judge of player, despite being professional football managers (two of them got their next side promoted and one is in the running for the England job)
Opposing managers praise him because they are all in on some secret joke to praise Grimes to take the piss.
Amazing set of coincidences hey?
Can you name a midfield trio available to any of those managers that would justify leaving him out? Nobody else has been able to. | | | |
| Grimes Beef on 14:43 - Aug 27 with 977 views | RichardO |
| Grimes Beef on 11:08 - Aug 27 by Treforys_Jack |
I feel he has suffered due to the pairings he's consistently been with. Put him with a decent forward thinking partner and leave him do what he does brilliantly and we'd prob all be lauding him. The fact that he's also our deadball specialist also does him no favours at all. |
Downes was a forward thinking midfielder until he found it was better for him and the team if he did the defensive work.
Grimes has been removed from set play specialist duties by most of our recent managers but then being put as last man at our àttacking corners only for the same managers to realise he can't do it either and relieve of that duty. Luke hasn't learnt these lessons yet but does realise that pace is need as last man at set pieces.
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| Grimes Beef on 16:57 - Aug 27 with 884 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Grimes Beef on 09:27 - Aug 27 by lifelong |
Why have our previous 4 or 5 managers failed to see all the faults that Matt Grimes has and dropped him from the starting eleven? |
I've no idea though those 4 or 5 managers have been during the period of our gradual decline, maybe theu're not really that good as managers?
Maybe better managers would get a better tune out of Grimes?
Maybe managers who didn't believe hgh possession stats are the most important thing would provide more entertaining football?
Grimes is clearly a talented footballer but only really suited to being put on at 2 nil up to play keep ball. My opinion obviously. | | | |
| Grimes Beef on 17:47 - Aug 27 with 843 views | onehunglow |
| Grimes Beef on 14:43 - Aug 27 by jack247 |
Right. So the five managers we’ve had since being in the Championship all play him every game and that’s because they all happen to be a bad judge of player, despite being professional football managers (two of them got their next side promoted and one is in the running for the England job)
Opposing managers praise him because they are all in on some secret joke to praise Grimes to take the piss.
Amazing set of coincidences hey?
Can you name a midfield trio available to any of those managers that would justify leaving him out? Nobody else has been able to. |
I think we’ve “ discussed “this before but you became rather personal
Grimes ,wait fir it, strangles most opportune attacking chances
A midfielder who runs backwards to pass the ball sideways .
Meanwhile the opposition chortles and gets organised
Name me a manager who has seriously pursued Grines
Better still,don’t . | |
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| Grimes Beef on 17:50 - Aug 27 with 840 views | onehunglow |
| Grimes Beef on 16:57 - Aug 27 by SullutaCreturned |
I've no idea though those 4 or 5 managers have been during the period of our gradual decline, maybe theu're not really that good as managers?
Maybe better managers would get a better tune out of Grimes?
Maybe managers who didn't believe hgh possession stats are the most important thing would provide more entertaining football?
Grimes is clearly a talented footballer but only really suited to being put on at 2 nil up to play keep ball. My opinion obviously. |
Without doubt better managers would
Most would stop him going anywhere near our own box and leave defenders to do their job .
None of our last three have been really good
Martin will not see the season out at Soton when they realise they’ve been sold a kipper ,as we were .
Stats are meaningful only for statisticians
What’s a “ completed pass” ffs l
This is a stat | |
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| Grimes Beef on 18:20 - Aug 27 with 818 views | theloneranger |
| Grimes Beef on 17:50 - Aug 27 by onehunglow |
Without doubt better managers would
Most would stop him going anywhere near our own box and leave defenders to do their job .
None of our last three have been really good
Martin will not see the season out at Soton when they realise they’ve been sold a kipper ,as we were .
Stats are meaningful only for statisticians
What’s a “ completed pass” ffs l
This is a stat |
"Martin will not see the season out at Soton" ... You said the same last season?? - You maybe right one season.
"Every season you say we'll be relegated" - you maybe right one season.
"You say every new manager is crap - (You were right about Duff😂)
Yet these crap managers have gone on and managed 5 Premier League clubs, and one is favourite to be the next England manager!! |  |
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| Grimes Beef on 18:20 - Aug 27 with 818 views | KeithHaynes |
| Grimes Beef on 17:50 - Aug 27 by onehunglow |
Without doubt better managers would
Most would stop him going anywhere near our own box and leave defenders to do their job .
None of our last three have been really good
Martin will not see the season out at Soton when they realise they’ve been sold a kipper ,as we were .
Stats are meaningful only for statisticians
What’s a “ completed pass” ffs l
This is a stat |
Yeah, the premier league money will kill them 😂
He’s rubbish is Martin, got a team up from the championship that backed him at the first attempt. Sold a kipper, are yours going off 😂
This won’t fall into the unusual Martin baiting.
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| Grimes Beef on 18:27 - Aug 27 with 785 views | onehunglow |
| Grimes Beef on 18:20 - Aug 27 by theloneranger |
"Martin will not see the season out at Soton" ... You said the same last season?? - You maybe right one season.
"Every season you say we'll be relegated" - you maybe right one season.
"You say every new manager is crap - (You were right about Duff😂)
Yet these crap managers have gone on and managed 5 Premier League clubs, and one is favourite to be the next England manager!! |
Maybe
Maybe I’m amazed
You never know, opinions really can be expressed openly n here without attracting crap.
I challenge anyone not groaning when Grimes has the ball and a quick riposte is on,because he does and will kill momentum.
Moreover ,he has a very good left foot so why stroke the ball sideways at free kicks tweety yards outside the box | |
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| Grimes Beef on 19:01 - Aug 27 with 764 views | raynor94 |
| Grimes Beef on 17:50 - Aug 27 by onehunglow |
Without doubt better managers would
Most would stop him going anywhere near our own box and leave defenders to do their job .
None of our last three have been really good
Martin will not see the season out at Soton when they realise they’ve been sold a kipper ,as we were .
Stats are meaningful only for statisticians
What’s a “ completed pass” ffs l
This is a stat |
In fairness we should have reached the play offs under Martin, and when you look back now, yes Cooper failed but look where those Brentford players are now |  |
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| Grimes Beef on 19:27 - Aug 27 with 748 views | jack247 |
| Grimes Beef on 17:47 - Aug 27 by onehunglow |
I think we’ve “ discussed “this before but you became rather personal
Grimes ,wait fir it, strangles most opportune attacking chances
A midfielder who runs backwards to pass the ball sideways .
Meanwhile the opposition chortles and gets organised
Name me a manager who has seriously pursued Grines
Better still,don’t . |
I can’t remember that.
Come on then, give me your best midfield combination, since relegation, that doesn’t include Grimes.
I expect you’ll either deflect or ignore completely. | | | |
| Grimes Beef on 19:29 - Aug 27 with 743 views | jack247 |
| Grimes Beef on 18:20 - Aug 27 by theloneranger |
"Martin will not see the season out at Soton" ... You said the same last season?? - You maybe right one season.
"Every season you say we'll be relegated" - you maybe right one season.
"You say every new manager is crap - (You were right about Duff😂)
Yet these crap managers have gone on and managed 5 Premier League clubs, and one is favourite to be the next England manager!! |
He’s ’stopped clock’ right every now and again. He makes a big fuss of it. | | | |
| Grimes Beef on 21:13 - Aug 27 with 690 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Grimes Beef on 19:01 - Aug 27 by raynor94 |
In fairness we should have reached the play offs under Martin, and when you look back now, yes Cooper failed but look where those Brentford players are now |
Martin, like other managers, needed better players to suit hs style. We were never to succeed with his style and our then squad. That's why he was a bad manager here, he could have done better with what he had as the two good patches showed.
It's the same wih Grimes, he should never be our last man in defence, he shouldn't be running back 20 yards between our centre backs to play a 5 yard wall pass and leave us stranded on the edge of our own box.
What we are talking about here are simple tactical mistakes that are easily rectified yet a succesion of managers have failed to even notice the trouble we cause ourselves, why is that? | | | |
| Grimes Beef on 21:27 - Aug 27 with 673 views | onehunglow |
| Grimes Beef on 19:27 - Aug 27 by jack247 |
I can’t remember that.
Come on then, give me your best midfield combination, since relegation, that doesn’t include Grimes.
I expect you’ll either deflect or ignore completely. |
Didn’t realise this is a test
Am I under caution ?
Do I need legal advice?
I’m advised to ignore posters who irritate,annoy or are too personal .
I ‘ ll let you know .maybe [Post edited 27 Aug 21:28]
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| Grimes Beef on 21:42 - Aug 27 with 675 views | RhonddaSwans |
Backwards passing constantly when he has the killer ball in his locker.
He is our captain so I respect Matt 💯 but god alive we need flair and risk takers in the middle of the park! | |
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| Grimes Beef on 22:07 - Aug 27 with 663 views | GVJack |
24hrs on and it's unanimous what people think. But what's not been answered is why?
Is he not that good? Is he not suited to our style or has he a victim of his own versatility? | | | |
| Grimes Beef on 22:58 - Aug 27 with 627 views | lifelong |
| Grimes Beef on 19:27 - Aug 27 by jack247 |
I can’t remember that.
Come on then, give me your best midfield combination, since relegation, that doesn’t include Grimes.
I expect you’ll either deflect or ignore completely. |
Be careful, you’ll be on his ignore list. 😀 |  | | |
| Grimes Beef on 23:16 - Aug 27 with 614 views | RichardO |
| Grimes Beef on 19:27 - Aug 27 by jack247 |
I can’t remember that.
Come on then, give me your best midfield combination, since relegation, that doesn’t include Grimes.
I expect you’ll either deflect or ignore completely. |
How would anyone know it has almost never been tried?
Cup games maybe, not even in Martin's myriad of chopping and changing of the team, think it might have been done in one game maybe coming off or on in a game but cannot remember which one it was.did we end up with Paterson, Fulton and Cooper🤷♂️ | | | |
| Grimes Beef on 07:34 - Aug 28 with 535 views | Dr_Winston |
| Grimes Beef on 23:16 - Aug 27 by RichardO |
How would anyone know it has almost never been tried?
Cup games maybe, not even in Martin's myriad of chopping and changing of the team, think it might have been done in one game maybe coming off or on in a game but cannot remember which one it was.did we end up with Paterson, Fulton and Cooper🤷♂️ |
Any permutation of our "best midfield" would contain Grimes. When he's on his game. That's the key point.
When he plays like he did on Saturday we could easily have replaced him with Fulton, Allen or Abdulai and been no worse off and potentially better.
He is absolutely assured of his place in the team regardless of his performances and the effect on the team that poor ones have. That is not a healthy situation and any manager who has gone along with it is culpable. |  |
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| Grimes Beef on 08:40 - Aug 28 with 510 views | jack247 |
| Grimes Beef on 21:27 - Aug 27 by onehunglow |
Didn’t realise this is a test
Am I under caution ?
Do I need legal advice?
I’m advised to ignore posters who irritate,annoy or are too personal .
I ‘ ll let you know .maybe [Post edited 27 Aug 21:28]
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As I predicted above, deflection.
It’s hard to be humble when you can’t back your opinions up when asked a sensible question. | | | |
| Grimes Beef on 08:48 - Aug 28 with 488 views | jack247 |
| Grimes Beef on 23:16 - Aug 27 by RichardO |
How would anyone know it has almost never been tried?
Cup games maybe, not even in Martin's myriad of chopping and changing of the team, think it might have been done in one game maybe coming off or on in a game but cannot remember which one it was.did we end up with Paterson, Fulton and Cooper🤷♂️ |
I think there was one game he was suspended. That might be the one you’re referring to.
You’ve answered your own question with your last sentence. Paterson. Fulton and Cooper. Put him in the promotion squad with Allen, Britton, Pratley and Dobbie and he doesn’t get near the team. | | | |
| Grimes Beef on 09:08 - Aug 28 with 471 views | onehunglow |
| Grimes Beef on 08:40 - Aug 28 by jack247 |
As I predicted above, deflection.
It’s hard to be humble when you can’t back your opinions up when asked a sensible question. |
Grimes beef”
Back up.?
So now comments are only tolerated if they are “ backed up “
I expected nothing less from you
Good this innit | |
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| Grimes Beef on 09:13 - Aug 28 with 456 views | jack247 |
| Grimes Beef on 09:08 - Aug 28 by onehunglow |
Grimes beef”
Back up.?
So now comments are only tolerated if they are “ backed up “
I expected nothing less from you
Good this innit |
I’m only asking you what your alternative midfield would be. Any time from the point Grimes played every game.
Reasonable question? | | | |
| Grimes Beef on 09:20 - Aug 28 with 442 views | onehunglow |
Next… | |
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| Grimes Beef on 09:22 - Aug 28 with 435 views | jack247 |
And this is what happens when your opinions are snap judgements based on piss and bluster. | | | |
| Grimes Beef on 10:55 - Aug 28 with 388 views | theloneranger |
| Grimes Beef on 08:48 - Aug 28 by jack247 |
I think there was one game he was suspended. That might be the one you’re referring to.
You’ve answered your own question with your last sentence. Paterson. Fulton and Cooper. Put him in the promotion squad with Allen, Britton, Pratley and Dobbie and he doesn’t get near the team. |
That game he was suspended v Wigan - Fulton and Cundle played together. | |
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