| Over 100 people in the ground today 10:59 - Sep 11 with 26359 views | builthjack |
- will be carrying Covid.
It could be the person next to you.
Frightening. Perhaps wear a mask folks. Take hand gel. [Post edited 11 Sep 2021 10:59]
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| Over 100 people in the ground today on 10:13 - Sep 12 with 1283 views | Catullus |
AJ, I wasn't referring to your post, I hadn't seen it actually.
Stumpy, are you familiar with the Station beer garden, you can go in the back way, no need to go through the bar. Not that it matters. Like I said, I balance the risks and be as careful as I can but all while getting on with my life but staying inside the rules as much as is humanly possible. |  |
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| Over 100 people in the ground today on 11:11 - Sep 12 with 1235 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 10:01 - Sep 12 by Catullus |
There's some real sh/ttst/rr/ing going on in this thread. It's not debate, just rabble rousing.
I took my son to the game, I'm double vaxed, he's 12. We carried on pretty much as normal. I still wear a mask in shops, I try to stay in ventilated areas, like at the pub we went straight tothe beer garden.
I'll still be cautious, I'll have any future jabs but I need to get on with my life. My son needs to have a life.
If the unvaccinated want to run the risk, it's their choice, their life...or death. I'll try and balance the risks in my life. I'm not going to hide but I'm not going stupidly gung ho either. |
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| Over 100 people in the ground today on 11:53 - Sep 12 with 1226 views | Glossolalia |
Been told to self-isolate because someone I work with, who is double-jabbed, came to work infected. His wife, whom he shares a bed with, had COVID before him. The rules make out that a double-jabbed individual can literally sleep with an infected person and come into work the next day. And that an unvaccinated person merely in the vicinity of an infected person for a fraction of the time has to isolate. Utter nonsense, and pushing the implied notion that being double-jabbed offers near invulnerability.
I'm not vaccinated for personal reasons. And I shall not be isolating. I am very well and very healthy. Of course if I felt unwell I'd isolate. But this should be about choice at this point. No blasted pontificating and no hyperbolic scaremongering. The same applies to this thread. You really think people don't realise? It's condescending and tautological. Just my two cents. [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 11:54]
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| Over 100 people in the ground today on 11:56 - Sep 12 with 1215 views | onehunglow |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 11:53 - Sep 12 by Glossolalia |
Been told to self-isolate because someone I work with, who is double-jabbed, came to work infected. His wife, whom he shares a bed with, had COVID before him. The rules make out that a double-jabbed individual can literally sleep with an infected person and come into work the next day. And that an unvaccinated person merely in the vicinity of an infected person for a fraction of the time has to isolate. Utter nonsense, and pushing the implied notion that being double-jabbed offers near invulnerability.
I'm not vaccinated for personal reasons. And I shall not be isolating. I am very well and very healthy. Of course if I felt unwell I'd isolate. But this should be about choice at this point. No blasted pontificating and no hyperbolic scaremongering. The same applies to this thread. You really think people don't realise? It's condescending and tautological. Just my two cents. [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 11:54]
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Could not disagree more but I'll refrain from further comment except to say do not trust covid and the possibility of catching it and not recovering.
Good chum of mine died 12 months ago of it.
Fit and healthy man too.
Family gutted
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| Over 100 people in the ground today on 12:07 - Sep 12 with 1216 views | Glossolalia |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 11:56 - Sep 12 by onehunglow |
Could not disagree more but I'll refrain from further comment except to say do not trust covid and the possibility of catching it and not recovering.
Good chum of mine died 12 months ago of it.
Fit and healthy man too.
Family gutted
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You would vehemently disagree with using freedom of choice? And do you agree with the ridiculous rules that have resulted in my situation? I said I'd isolate if I was feeling unwell. As it is, I'm working today to cover sickness. We are key workers, and people would lose out if I didn't work today or the next week. And by the way, I know the individual in question, and at no point was I close to him for an extended period of time.
As sympathetic as I am to your friend's death, that has very little to do with my situation. The fact that someone has died doesn't strengthen the argument against going to work when feeling totally well and healthy, whilst using discretion, based on how I feel.
EDIT - as for 'not trusting' COVID I'm unsure what you'tr trying to say. My sister has long COVID symptoms and is struggling. Then again, she unfortunately seems susceptible to illness as seen in the past. I accept the dangers. I accept them when I go to work, or when I kiss strangers. But to think I'll stay indoors when my body is telling me nothing is wrong? No an effing chance pal. I'd rather catch it than live in perpetual angst and fear. [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 12:24]
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| Over 100 people in the ground today on 12:11 - Sep 12 with 1206 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 06:53 - Sep 12 by KeithHaynes |
Name calling and swearing not tolerated mate, Debate is, plus differing viewpoints. |
Keith, you have to be jesting surely?
The swearing maybe, but "name calling"?
Where have you been when prof, lisa and scotia have called people derogatory names practically every day they post? | | | |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 13:55 - Sep 12 with 1172 views | DJack |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 08:59 - Sep 12 by RonaldStump |
I prefer Kung Flu ...thats a much better name |
Well it would have been except that Covid 19 is NOT flu. Therefore the name you prefer is much like what you post...wrong/disinformation. |  |
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| Over 100 people in the ground today on 15:18 - Sep 12 with 1149 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 14:10 - Sep 11 by controversial_jack |
Where's the freedom if you catch it, pass it onto a vulnerable person and they die. No different to drink driving. |
That’s the second time I’ve read posters use the drink driving comparison. It’s about as mental as anything I’ve heard .
Just for common sense’s sake - if you are vaccinated twice you are the more likely to pass covid on. Simply because you won’t feel the symptoms or will be asymptomatic for longer than someone without the vaccine. Therefore your exposure time amongst the rest of the population will be longer resulting in more chance of passing it on.
The vaccine doesn’t mean you can’t get covid, it just means that if you do you’re less likely to die. And it certainly doesn’t mean you won’t pass it on to a far more vulnerable person. |  |
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| Over 100 people in the ground today (n/t) on 16:53 - Sep 12 with 1116 views | onehunglow |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 12:07 - Sep 12 by Glossolalia |
You would vehemently disagree with using freedom of choice? And do you agree with the ridiculous rules that have resulted in my situation? I said I'd isolate if I was feeling unwell. As it is, I'm working today to cover sickness. We are key workers, and people would lose out if I didn't work today or the next week. And by the way, I know the individual in question, and at no point was I close to him for an extended period of time.
As sympathetic as I am to your friend's death, that has very little to do with my situation. The fact that someone has died doesn't strengthen the argument against going to work when feeling totally well and healthy, whilst using discretion, based on how I feel.
EDIT - as for 'not trusting' COVID I'm unsure what you'tr trying to say. My sister has long COVID symptoms and is struggling. Then again, she unfortunately seems susceptible to illness as seen in the past. I accept the dangers. I accept them when I go to work, or when I kiss strangers. But to think I'll stay indoors when my body is telling me nothing is wrong? No an effing chance pal. I'd rather catch it than live in perpetual angst and fear. [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 12:24]
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Too damned right I do.
I wouldnt eant anyone to lose a son ,daughter,motgher,father because someone is either selfish,stupid or simply a conspiracy person.
This is potential death we are talking about and somebody losing their life because someone's "freedom" is impugned by not having a simple vaccination sits uneasily with me.
Do you believe babies should be given vaccinations against diseases that have and do kill?
Measles was and is a killer ;it's why we jab for it.
Freedom means people can live [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 16:57]
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| Over 100 people in the ground today on 18:58 - Sep 12 with 1074 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 15:18 - Sep 12 by Brynmill_Jack |
That’s the second time I’ve read posters use the drink driving comparison. It’s about as mental as anything I’ve heard .
Just for common sense’s sake - if you are vaccinated twice you are the more likely to pass covid on. Simply because you won’t feel the symptoms or will be asymptomatic for longer than someone without the vaccine. Therefore your exposure time amongst the rest of the population will be longer resulting in more chance of passing it on.
The vaccine doesn’t mean you can’t get covid, it just means that if you do you’re less likely to die. And it certainly doesn’t mean you won’t pass it on to a far more vulnerable person. |
"The vaccine doesn’t mean you can’t get covid, it just means that if you do you’re less likely to die."
Based on the latest Government data for the Delta variant it is not actually that good, based on the number of cases for each group if a double vaxxed person gets COVID they have a 9585 per million chance of dying, an unvaxxed person a 2439 per million chance of dying, but a single vaxxed person 1304 per million chance.
The value of the Vaccine is in you not getting COVID in the first place. | | | |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 19:12 - Sep 12 with 1061 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 18:58 - Sep 12 by A_Fans_Dad |
"The vaccine doesn’t mean you can’t get covid, it just means that if you do you’re less likely to die."
Based on the latest Government data for the Delta variant it is not actually that good, based on the number of cases for each group if a double vaxxed person gets COVID they have a 9585 per million chance of dying, an unvaxxed person a 2439 per million chance of dying, but a single vaxxed person 1304 per million chance.
The value of the Vaccine is in you not getting COVID in the first place. |
I think in a years time we will have comprehensive data to look back on. But I’d wager there will be at least another two variants by then. | |
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| Over 100 people in the ground today on 19:38 - Sep 12 with 1046 views | Professor |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 18:58 - Sep 12 by A_Fans_Dad |
"The vaccine doesn’t mean you can’t get covid, it just means that if you do you’re less likely to die."
Based on the latest Government data for the Delta variant it is not actually that good, based on the number of cases for each group if a double vaxxed person gets COVID they have a 9585 per million chance of dying, an unvaxxed person a 2439 per million chance of dying, but a single vaxxed person 1304 per million chance.
The value of the Vaccine is in you not getting COVID in the first place. |
Based on cherry picking data for the lowest risk groups. I am well aware of the current PHE data and what you have presented is a complete misrepresentation. Let’s take a middle aged group- the one I sit in 50-59. The mortality in this age range is 1 in 500 unvaccinated and around 1 in 4500 vaccinated. At the extreme risk of over 80s it’s still 1 in 9 for unvaccinated and 1 in 45 vaccinated. Hospitalisation data a similar pattern. So either you don’t understand epidemiological data or you are misrepresenting it. Either way it shows your posts are unreliable. End of | | | |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 19:40 - Sep 12 with 1041 views | Jack123 |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 18:58 - Sep 12 by A_Fans_Dad |
"The vaccine doesn’t mean you can’t get covid, it just means that if you do you’re less likely to die."
Based on the latest Government data for the Delta variant it is not actually that good, based on the number of cases for each group if a double vaxxed person gets COVID they have a 9585 per million chance of dying, an unvaxxed person a 2439 per million chance of dying, but a single vaxxed person 1304 per million chance.
The value of the Vaccine is in you not getting COVID in the first place. |
Interesting data, strange though why the odds of dying for a single vaxed person is higher than someone unvaxxed. |  |
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| Over 100 people in the ground today (n/t) on 19:47 - Sep 12 with 1030 views | Glossolalia |
| Over 100 people in the ground today (n/t) on 16:53 - Sep 12 by onehunglow |
Too damned right I do.
I wouldnt eant anyone to lose a son ,daughter,motgher,father because someone is either selfish,stupid or simply a conspiracy person.
This is potential death we are talking about and somebody losing their life because someone's "freedom" is impugned by not having a simple vaccination sits uneasily with me.
Do you believe babies should be given vaccinations against diseases that have and do kill?
Measles was and is a killer ;it's why we jab for it.
Freedom means people can live [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 16:57]
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I genuinely give up. Any disease, however mild with one person, can be passed on to someone it could kill. There is nothing selfish about that. It's a fact of human co-existence. Everyone vulnerable or old has had the jab. Given that this won't change, when exactly to we get our freedom to choose? When can we make a conscious, empirical decision OHL? Even if I tested negative I would still have to isolate! Am I still selfish and stupid for wanting to work if I am negative?
And what if the government u-turned and announced that unless you had symptoms, you need not isolate? Would I then suddenly be sensible for working when I was perceptibly well? I don't need logic to percolate down to me; this is patently absurd. Even more so when double-jabbed people can live with positive cases and still go to work.
This isn't an issue of jabs anymore. The roll out is practically complete where the old and vulnerable are concerned. I'm for inoculation when the pros outweigh the cons. This is now an issue of giving people the power to decide for themselves. I've paid the price for waiting for the vaccine, financially, mentally etc. As have we all. But now, if I inadvertently infected someone down the line who had been double-jabbed, how on Earth can a) that be avoided and b) anything more be feasibly done to protect that person? I wouldn't castigate myself it the person I infected died, because that's life. Sometimes people die. That's actual freedom.
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| Over 100 people in the ground today on 19:49 - Sep 12 with 1024 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 19:40 - Sep 12 by Jack123 |
Interesting data, strange though why the odds of dying for a single vaxed person is higher than someone unvaxxed. |
It is the other way around, most single vaxxed are young. [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 19:50]
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| Over 100 people in the ground today on 19:54 - Sep 12 with 1021 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 19:38 - Sep 12 by Professor |
Based on cherry picking data for the lowest risk groups. I am well aware of the current PHE data and what you have presented is a complete misrepresentation. Let’s take a middle aged group- the one I sit in 50-59. The mortality in this age range is 1 in 500 unvaccinated and around 1 in 4500 vaccinated. At the extreme risk of over 80s it’s still 1 in 9 for unvaccinated and 1 in 45 vaccinated. Hospitalisation data a similar pattern. So either you don’t understand epidemiological data or you are misrepresenting it. Either way it shows your posts are unreliable. End of |
You know full well that they are the overall numbers.
I have already shown in past posts that for the over 50s it is safer to be double vaccinated.
I am not going to repeat the whole thing again. | | | |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 19:57 - Sep 12 with 1022 views | Professor |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 19:54 - Sep 12 by A_Fans_Dad |
You know full well that they are the overall numbers.
I have already shown in past posts that for the over 50s it is safer to be double vaccinated.
I am not going to repeat the whole thing again. |
So finally an admission vaccination works. | | | |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 20:04 - Sep 12 with 1018 views | Jack123 |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 19:49 - Sep 12 by A_Fans_Dad |
It is the other way around, most single vaxxed are young. [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 19:50]
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Sorry, I don't understand, could you clarify? The other way around? | |
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| Over 100 people in the ground today on 20:05 - Sep 12 with 1011 views | 73__73 |
Over 16,000 inside the stadium and not a mask in sightðŸ‘. Hallelujah | |
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| Over 100 people in the ground today on 20:07 - Sep 12 with 1005 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 19:57 - Sep 12 by Professor |
So finally an admission vaccination works. |
You have obviously forgotten my past posts.
Are you suffering with memory issues? | | | |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 20:11 - Sep 12 with 996 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 20:04 - Sep 12 by Jack123 |
Sorry, I don't understand, could you clarify? The other way around? |
You said "Interesting data, strange though why the odds of dying for a single vaxed person is higher than someone unvaxxed. "
The numbers are unvaxxed is 2439/m and single vaxxed is 1304./m | | | |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 20:17 - Sep 12 with 993 views | Jack123 |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 20:11 - Sep 12 by A_Fans_Dad |
You said "Interesting data, strange though why the odds of dying for a single vaxed person is higher than someone unvaxxed. "
The numbers are unvaxxed is 2439/m and single vaxxed is 1304./m |
I may be reading it wrong, but surely those figures point to the single jabbed at higher risk than the unjabbed?, if chance of dying is 2349 for unvaxxed and 1304 for single jab, the single jab per million are less.
Edit: Ignore I get it now. [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 20:19]
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| Over 100 people in the ground today on 20:23 - Sep 12 with 986 views | 73__73 |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 01:53 - Sep 12 by DJack |
Whether it did or not it is still SARS-CoV-2 you (and I quote) you bell£nd. |
I believe it was first discovered in ChiiiNA | |
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| Over 100 people in the ground today on 21:28 - Sep 12 with 950 views | DJack |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 20:23 - Sep 12 by 73__73 |
I believe it was first discovered in ChiiiNA |
And Spanish Flu was first discovered in Kansas and was actually a flu... | |
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| Over 100 people in the ground today on 21:59 - Sep 12 with 938 views | WalterBoyd |
| Over 100 people in the ground today on 13:38 - Sep 11 by controversial_jack |
i'm a season tkt holder and don't miss a game, but i'm not going today, because hardly anyone in the pub or ground will be wearing a mask.Not a risk I wish to take. |
I would say perhaps one person per 300 wore a mask. | | | |
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