| wee jimmy krankie 08:15 - Dec 23 with 79919 views | britferry |
I'm not a hypocrite, the English made me break my own rules, we demand another once in a lifetime vote
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| wee jimmy krankie on 09:32 - Mar 30 with 1667 views | trampie |
| wee jimmy krankie on 08:46 - Mar 30 by Catullus |
You're just talking nonsense again, takem from the link I put up,
As for the king’s position his was a waiting game. The longer he stood firm the more his levies would assemble. Henry’s forces located either side of the gorge at Abberley, (the passageway to Wales) and ranks of soldiers bivouacked eastward behind Witley Castle less was the likelihood of Owain breaking out.
Monstrelet’s account relates:
‘Each party drew in order of battle on two eminences, having a valley between them, and each waiting for the attack of its opponent. This contest, who should commence the battle, lasted for eight days; and they were regularly every morning drawn up in battle array, and remained in this state until evening, during which time there were many skirmishes between the two parties, when upwards of 200 of either side were slain, and more wounded. On the side of France three knights were slain, namely Sir Patrouillart de Trie, brother to the marshal of France, the Sieur de Martelonne, and the Sieur de la Valle.’
The account shows that both sides drew up in battle lines but neither was willing to start a pitched battle. No doubt the hotheads in the French ranks spoiling for a fight engaged in exploits of their own. The flat area opposite the present day Hundred House at the foot of Woodbury Hill was most probably the arena where most of the clashes took place. There is a local legend that many of the French dead were buried in the churchyard of the ancient church at Abberley.
With the situations as they were neither side could gain the advantage. Owain could go no further, and King Henry did not have enough troops to defeat his enemy.
Monstrelet further relates:
‘The French and Welsh were also oppressed by famine, and other inconveniences, for only with great difficulty could they obtain any provisions, as the English had strongly guarded all passes. At length, on the eighth day that the two armies had been looking at each other, the King of England, seeing the enemy were not afraid of him, retreated to Worcester, but was pursued by some French and Welsh, who seized on 18 carts laden with provision, and other baggage, upon which the French and Welsh marched back to Wales.’
The last part of his account was pure propaganda in the face of defeat. It is known that many of the reinforcements and provisions meant for Owain were intercepted by the English, and many of the stragglers cut off by the flooded river Teme and drowned. The situation in Owains camp was desperate to the extreme. Men fought over scraps of meat. Owain seeing his situation as hopeless cut his losses, gathered his multitude, and slipped away at night back to Wales. The French forces embarked for France in October.
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That totally refutes what you said. It says The English waited for more troops to arrive and then later on that Glyndwr realised his situation was hopeless so cut his losses and retreated.
You post disingenuous propaganda, you don't provide evidence then all you have is childish retorts.
Your claim about refusing to fight is nonsense, Henry IV waited for more troops to overcome a tactical disadvantage, Glyndwr, short on supplies, realsing he couldn't win, retreated.
Wouldn't you say retreating is refusing to fight? If the English had retreated you'd have said they were running away. |
Wales invaded England, England were at home and would not fight, the English tactic was the starve the Welsh and not fight them the Welsh tactic was to beat the English up, you are the one been disingenuous not me. |  |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 09:54 - Mar 30 with 1647 views | Boundy |
| wee jimmy krankie on 09:32 - Mar 30 by trampie |
Wales invaded England, England were at home and would not fight, the English tactic was the starve the Welsh and not fight them the Welsh tactic was to beat the English up, you are the one been disingenuous not me. |
Have you answered mine and Jackals query regarding Egyptians and Italian type,what exactly does that mean | |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 09:58 - Mar 30 with 1639 views | trampie |
| wee jimmy krankie on 09:54 - Mar 30 by Boundy |
Have you answered mine and Jackals query regarding Egyptians and Italian type,what exactly does that mean |
Check their surnames out for their background. | |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 13:16 - Mar 30 with 1606 views | Catullus |
| wee jimmy krankie on 09:32 - Mar 30 by trampie |
Wales invaded England, England were at home and would not fight, the English tactic was the starve the Welsh and not fight them the Welsh tactic was to beat the English up, you are the one been disingenuous not me. |
There are more than one way to fight a war. Still, it's complete nonsense to say the English refused to fight. Henry was simpy waiting for more troops. Only a complete idiot voluntarily goes into battle if he believes he could lose, with the knowledge that more troops are coming, that's why he waited.
That is also why Glyndwr decided that not fighting was the best choice, that's why he retreated. As I said, retreating is a decision to not fight. Henry stood his ground.
If the Welsh tactic was to beat the English up, why did Glyndwr retreat? | |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 13:55 - Mar 30 with 1600 views | onehunglow |
Its what 2020.When did this shyte happen?
800 years ago?
And we are discussing it,the poorest region in the Uk more concerned about ancient energy.
Pitiful | |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 14:55 - Mar 30 with 1588 views | trampie |
| wee jimmy krankie on 13:16 - Mar 30 by Catullus |
There are more than one way to fight a war. Still, it's complete nonsense to say the English refused to fight. Henry was simpy waiting for more troops. Only a complete idiot voluntarily goes into battle if he believes he could lose, with the knowledge that more troops are coming, that's why he waited.
That is also why Glyndwr decided that not fighting was the best choice, that's why he retreated. As I said, retreating is a decision to not fight. Henry stood his ground.
If the Welsh tactic was to beat the English up, why did Glyndwr retreat? |
Standing your ground you say, we was up to 60 miles into England, if they will not fight we go home to our families we were not looking to colonise as we do not have the numbers. | |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 15:32 - Mar 30 with 1584 views | Boundy |
| wee jimmy krankie on 09:58 - Mar 30 by trampie |
Check their surnames out for their background. |
No sorry butt that won't wash and I'm not playing games either . You made a public statement , have the courage of your convictions to explain exactly what you meant. | |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 15:39 - Mar 30 with 1575 views | trampie |
| wee jimmy krankie on 15:32 - Mar 30 by Boundy |
No sorry butt that won't wash and I'm not playing games either . You made a public statement , have the courage of your convictions to explain exactly what you meant. |
That is what I did mean butt, what do you think I meant ? | |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 15:48 - Mar 30 with 1567 views | Boundy |
| wee jimmy krankie on 15:39 - Mar 30 by trampie |
That is what I did mean butt, what do you think I meant ? |
Coward, | |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 15:54 - Mar 30 with 1559 views | trampie |
| wee jimmy krankie on 15:48 - Mar 30 by Boundy |
Coward, |
Reading things into something that is not there, well well well, lol. | |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 16:17 - Mar 30 with 1553 views | Boundy |
| wee jimmy krankie on 15:54 - Mar 30 by trampie |
Reading things into something that is not there, well well well, lol. |
Just reminder of what you posted and a simple explanation is all that's required
Paul Abbandonato on 22:10 - Mar 28 with 684 views trampie
Paul Abbandonato on 22:07 - Mar 28 by NotLoyal
The guy is a big mate of the anus, says it all.
"Egyptian and Italian types". | |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 16:34 - Mar 30 with 1539 views | trampie |
| wee jimmy krankie on 16:17 - Mar 30 by Boundy |
Just reminder of what you posted and a simple explanation is all that's required
Paul Abbandonato on 22:10 - Mar 28 with 684 views trampie
Paul Abbandonato on 22:07 - Mar 28 by NotLoyal
The guy is a big mate of the anus, says it all.
"Egyptian and Italian types". |
Annis has Egyptian roots and Paul has an Italian surname, nothing more, nothing less, hence Egyptian and Italian types, what do you think I meant ? | |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 18:22 - Mar 30 with 1525 views | Catullus |
| wee jimmy krankie on 14:55 - Mar 30 by trampie |
Standing your ground you say, we was up to 60 miles into England, if they will not fight we go home to our families we were not looking to colonise as we do not have the numbers. |
So we take an army 60 miles into England, to fight the English and when we get there, we don't fight,we turn around and go home despite the enemy we are so desperate to fight being right in front of us.
Yeah right. The English won that day after a few days of skirmishes.
I will also tell you how your Egyptian /Italian thing reads, like a vague suggestion they are trouble because of their ethnic backgrounds. | |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 18:45 - Mar 30 with 1512 views | trampie |
| wee jimmy krankie on 18:22 - Mar 30 by Catullus |
So we take an army 60 miles into England, to fight the English and when we get there, we don't fight,we turn around and go home despite the enemy we are so desperate to fight being right in front of us.
Yeah right. The English won that day after a few days of skirmishes.
I will also tell you how your Egyptian /Italian thing reads, like a vague suggestion they are trouble because of their ethnic backgrounds. |
We fought skirmishes all the way there and then England didn't turn up, we couldn't wait for ever and they knew it.
You will be telling me next that England's greatest ever military defeat when we allowed enough of their soldiers across to Ynys Mon to rout them and then killed all their knights by drowning them, after setting the bridge on fire their foot soldiers could not escape the island and the dreaded knights (the nuclear weapons of their day) went to the bottom of the Menai straits under the weight of their armour, you will be telling me next that they were not killed that they were an early form of submarines.
And that other time on hill were the Welsh slaughtered the English (the old left flank trick) and our women descended on the battle field to cut off and stuff the kn*bs of the dying English into their mouths was just the English lying down and being helped to their feet by passers by.
Leave it out butt you come from South of the Landsker line and you don't like Welsh history. | |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 18:52 - Mar 30 with 1507 views | Groo |
| wee jimmy krankie on 18:45 - Mar 30 by trampie |
We fought skirmishes all the way there and then England didn't turn up, we couldn't wait for ever and they knew it.
You will be telling me next that England's greatest ever military defeat when we allowed enough of their soldiers across to Ynys Mon to rout them and then killed all their knights by drowning them, after setting the bridge on fire their foot soldiers could not escape the island and the dreaded knights (the nuclear weapons of their day) went to the bottom of the Menai straits under the weight of their armour, you will be telling me next that they were not killed that they were an early form of submarines.
And that other time on hill were the Welsh slaughtered the English (the old left flank trick) and our women descended on the battle field to cut off and stuff the kn*bs of the dying English into their mouths was just the English lying down and being helped to their feet by passers by.
Leave it out butt you come from South of the Landsker line and you don't like Welsh history. |
You are an odd one.
As much as I would have liked Glyndwr to have won the battle and maybe changed Welsh history, he didn't.
The English managed to win the battle by simply waiting for reinforcements, I'm sure his men were glad for him to win it with minimum death to his men.
The outcome benefited the English, not the Welsh. |  |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 19:02 - Mar 30 with 1485 views | trampie |
| wee jimmy krankie on 18:52 - Mar 30 by Groo |
You are an odd one.
As much as I would have liked Glyndwr to have won the battle and maybe changed Welsh history, he didn't.
The English managed to win the battle by simply waiting for reinforcements, I'm sure his men were glad for him to win it with minimum death to his men.
The outcome benefited the English, not the Welsh. |
There was no battle as such on that particular occasion Groo, England would not come out to play. | |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 19:40 - Mar 30 with 1472 views | Catullus |
| wee jimmy krankie on 18:45 - Mar 30 by trampie |
We fought skirmishes all the way there and then England didn't turn up, we couldn't wait for ever and they knew it.
You will be telling me next that England's greatest ever military defeat when we allowed enough of their soldiers across to Ynys Mon to rout them and then killed all their knights by drowning them, after setting the bridge on fire their foot soldiers could not escape the island and the dreaded knights (the nuclear weapons of their day) went to the bottom of the Menai straits under the weight of their armour, you will be telling me next that they were not killed that they were an early form of submarines.
And that other time on hill were the Welsh slaughtered the English (the old left flank trick) and our women descended on the battle field to cut off and stuff the kn*bs of the dying English into their mouths was just the English lying down and being helped to their feet by passers by.
Leave it out butt you come from South of the Landsker line and you don't like Welsh history. |
The English didn't turn up? You know that's wrong.
You can't use battles won to claim a battle not fought was somehow a victory. That Glyndwr retreated is proof of who won.
You can make up all the nonsense you like, you can't change what happened and lying about it isn't proof.
The Landsker line, what are you on about, is it some kind of "I'm a better Weslhman than you" nonsense.
We've seen all sorts of racism and xenophobia from you before.
Glyndwr retreated, the English won without trying, that's a fact. If the English refused to fight, why didn' they retreat?
Why did Glyndwr retreat and leave Wales open to an an English attack? Because he won? Because the English were scared?
If we were face to face now I'd tell you what I think but I can't post those words here.
You're just a tuppeny keyboard warrior | |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 20:06 - Mar 30 with 1450 views | trampie |
| wee jimmy krankie on 19:40 - Mar 30 by Catullus |
The English didn't turn up? You know that's wrong.
You can't use battles won to claim a battle not fought was somehow a victory. That Glyndwr retreated is proof of who won.
You can make up all the nonsense you like, you can't change what happened and lying about it isn't proof.
The Landsker line, what are you on about, is it some kind of "I'm a better Weslhman than you" nonsense.
We've seen all sorts of racism and xenophobia from you before.
Glyndwr retreated, the English won without trying, that's a fact. If the English refused to fight, why didn' they retreat?
Why did Glyndwr retreat and leave Wales open to an an English attack? Because he won? Because the English were scared?
If we were face to face now I'd tell you what I think but I can't post those words here.
You're just a tuppeny keyboard warrior |
They didn't want it, they decided to starve the allies as our supply routes was stretch a long way, Wales had 5% of her population involved all volunteers that is a lot of people to feed and water, Wales fight for family, friends, way of life, language etc, England fight for monitary gain, land, possessions and they pay their soldiers.
No need to get all snowflake like, it's only message board. | |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 10:01 - Mar 31 with 1406 views | trampie |
UK state, Daily Mail, Daily Express, opposition parties ganging up etc are trying to do a number on her. | |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 10:21 - Mar 31 with 1393 views | johnlangy |
It's the Daily Mail. I would hope the majority of people would completely ignore what they say. | | | |
| wee jimmy krankie on 10:43 - Mar 31 with 1380 views | raynor94 |
The way Jimmy and Salmond are going, you can see this turning into another Belfast sadly, he's already calling for peaceful(sic) protests in the streets. |  |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 11:22 - Mar 31 with 1375 views | Catullus |
| wee jimmy krankie on 10:21 - Mar 31 by johnlangy |
It's the Daily Mail. I would hope the majority of people would completely ignore what they say. |
I used to make a point of reading the DM and the Guardian and trying to find the truth out from between both papers, the DM is more of a rabble rouser than the Guardian though.
I don't see how people can find any balance from only reading a media source they agree with.
It's like saying you'll never vote for a certain party because they are THAT party. You need to look into things. Party loyalty is for sheep really. Does it matter if you agree with most of what one party says if all they ever do is make a mess of things?
Sometimes you need change.
Sturgeon, I think the time has come that Scotland needs change. | |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 12:45 - Mar 31 with 1363 views | trampie |
| wee jimmy krankie on 11:22 - Mar 31 by Catullus |
I used to make a point of reading the DM and the Guardian and trying to find the truth out from between both papers, the DM is more of a rabble rouser than the Guardian though.
I don't see how people can find any balance from only reading a media source they agree with.
It's like saying you'll never vote for a certain party because they are THAT party. You need to look into things. Party loyalty is for sheep really. Does it matter if you agree with most of what one party says if all they ever do is make a mess of things?
Sometimes you need change.
Sturgeon, I think the time has come that Scotland needs change. |
Why do you think Scotland needs change they vote for her in huge numbers ?
Do you think Westminster needs change from the Tories ? | |
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| wee jimmy krankie on 13:48 - Apr 1 with 1298 views | britferry |
stand on that luv
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