| Johnson v Corbyn 21:06 - Nov 19 with 13106 views | bosh67 |
Anyone else watch this car crash on ITV? |  |
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| Johnson v Corbyn on 14:14 - Nov 20 with 1383 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 13:41 - Nov 20 by BazzaInTheLoft |
What is the NHS based on? And our Education system? Or toll free roads?
I’m sorry to break it to you, but those things amongst thousands of others is Socialism. [Post edited 20 Nov 2019 13:45]
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Some toll-free roads were paid for by B.O.O.T or B.O.T schemes. Build, Own, Operate and Transfer. These allow a private Company to make a margin on a project whilst reducing the burden on the taxpayer who ends up with a free bridge or road etc. |  | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 14:16 - Nov 20 with 1381 views | enfieldargh |
My Brother in law is extremely active in the labour party in Brent and has been for over 40 years
He told me he wouldnt vote labour as long as Corbyn is in charge, first time weve ever agreed on anything |  |
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| Johnson v Corbyn on 14:27 - Nov 20 with 1343 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
My employers don’t pay my tax, I do.
Let’s leave it there before you blame non homogenous citizens or we bore everyone to death. |  | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 14:28 - Nov 20 with 1339 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 14:16 - Nov 20 by enfieldargh |
My Brother in law is extremely active in the labour party in Brent and has been for over 40 years
He told me he wouldnt vote labour as long as Corbyn is in charge, first time weve ever agreed on anything |
So he voted for Foot, but not Corbyn.
Your brother might be talking shit. | | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 14:38 - Nov 20 with 1307 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 14:28 - Nov 20 by BazzaInTheLoft |
So he voted for Foot, but not Corbyn.
Your brother might be talking shit. |
You can speak for his brother then? | | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 14:41 - Nov 20 with 1292 views | stevec |
all these TV debates are a complete waste of time for this election.
You're either going to vote for democracy, that is, a party that respects the public vote in 2016 or you vote for the parties that have absolutely no respect for democracy and ultimately wish to overturn the vote like it never happened.
Don't bother redefining democracy to appease your conscience, that is where we are. |  | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 14:53 - Nov 20 with 1267 views | BucksRanger |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 14:41 - Nov 20 by stevec |
all these TV debates are a complete waste of time for this election.
You're either going to vote for democracy, that is, a party that respects the public vote in 2016 or you vote for the parties that have absolutely no respect for democracy and ultimately wish to overturn the vote like it never happened.
Don't bother redefining democracy to appease your conscience, that is where we are. |
I wish I could vote for democracy but the Brexit Party aren't standing in my constituency. All main parties are a long way from my kind of democracy. |  | | |
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| Johnson v Corbyn on 14:59 - Nov 20 with 1244 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Well, it’s boring isn’t it? I’m not going to argue with you all day about what Socialism is because we’ve done this dance a thousand times.
Plus I only used words you’ve used before about Sweden. I’d you think that’s racist then perhaps have a word with yourself not me. | | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 15:00 - Nov 20 with 1233 views | essextaxiboy |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 11:09 - Nov 20 by BazzaInTheLoft |
To be fair, a proper socialist government from one of the big economies like ours has never had a good crack at it. But yeah I fear you may be right. |
Has it occurred to you that the big economies are big because they have never had a crack at it ? |  | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 15:04 - Nov 20 with 1212 views | smegma |
To answer the OP, no I didn't watch as I had better things to do.
I took up Fullers offer of £1.74 a pint to celebrate their 174th anniversary. I had 3 pints , went to Hanwell v Chipstead, then back to the pub for another 3 pints. So £10.44 for 6 pints and £4 entry to Hanwell (half price with QPR season ticket).
So that was twelvety hundred pounds for a good night according to Dianne Abbott. |  | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 15:06 - Nov 20 with 1207 views | BuckR |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 15:04 - Nov 20 by smegma |
To answer the OP, no I didn't watch as I had better things to do.
I took up Fullers offer of £1.74 a pint to celebrate their 174th anniversary. I had 3 pints , went to Hanwell v Chipstead, then back to the pub for another 3 pints. So £10.44 for 6 pints and £4 entry to Hanwell (half price with QPR season ticket).
So that was twelvety hundred pounds for a good night according to Dianne Abbott. |
Finally some good news on an LFW political thread! [Post edited 20 Nov 2019 15:06]
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| Johnson v Corbyn on 15:07 - Nov 20 with 1206 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 13:29 - Nov 20 by QPR_Jim |
I think you're looking at it from the wrong point of view, he doesn't have to choose a side in this debate. As others said he's eurosceptic anyway so I'm sure he'd happily take us out himself if people were happy with the deal they're getting. By staying neutral on Brexit he's actually more able to deliver on what people want. David Cameron's problem was that he was remain but the vote come back leave and if part of the Labour policy is to have a vote on a new deal, which it is, then it's for the best that he's neutral so he doesn't feel he needs to resign if the vote doesn't go the way of his backing which would just delay things further.
What would Corbyn gain from negotiating a bad deal? He'd look stupid and end up being so unpopular that he'd not be leader for long. He'd also run the risk of having to enact it and be in control of leaving with a worse deal than we've currently got. It makes no sense.
You seem to have a deep lack of trust with Corbyn which is understandable given the press he gets, and if that is the case then you absolutely shouldn't vote for him. |
No, I'm afraid you're looking at it from the wrong point of view. If JC is a Eurosceptic but the party is remain then there's an obvious conflict of interest that erodes trust, both internally and with the public at large.
The reason the party is staying neutral on Brexit is because their core support is split on the issue. JC doesn't want to risk a split at the ballot box so he's hedging his bets on Brexit and trying to steer the conversation to other issues. The problem with this approach is that it shows a real lack of conviction and leadership. It's all fair and well talking about other issues but we can't even begin to address them until Brexit is sorted, one way or the other. To delay the process further only serves to put other issues on hold.
If, as you say, Labour are concerned about delivering on what the people want then they should simply support leaving the EU as the people decided what they wanted back in 2016. [Post edited 20 Nov 2019 17:57]
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| Johnson v Corbyn on 15:13 - Nov 20 with 1186 views | stowmarketrange |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 14:14 - Nov 20 by CroydonCaptJack |
Some toll-free roads were paid for by B.O.O.T or B.O.T schemes. Build, Own, Operate and Transfer. These allow a private Company to make a margin on a project whilst reducing the burden on the taxpayer who ends up with a free bridge or road etc. |
Unless you’re a French company who own and run the Dartford tolls.Then you can carry on making money out of it for decades. |  | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 15:23 - Nov 20 with 1152 views | CFW |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 14:11 - Nov 20 by BazzaInTheLoft |
National Insurance and general taxation. Amazon pay less tax as a percentage than you do (for example) so no, private business does not pay for the NHS. [Post edited 20 Nov 2019 14:17]
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We are constantly being told that our free Wi-Fi along with the bringing back under government control things like Water, Railways etc will be paid for by these awful companies such as Amazon, Facebook etc. Let's get it right - these institutions have done nothing wrong, they are not in anyway breaking the law in order to pay less tax. What they are doing however, is exploiting the out our outdated tax laws.
Small business owners like myself rely on our accountants to advise us on how we can position ourselves to be as tax efficient as possible within the law. Does that make us all bad people - no of course it not.
Sorry but you are wrong business and the higher tax payers of our country most definitely pay for our NHS and I am sure they are very proud to do so and will continue to support this fantastic institution. It should not be - oh we need more money - oh I have a good idea lets tax businesses and the higher earners that is an easy fix. | | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 15:24 - Nov 20 with 1149 views | essextaxiboy |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 10:16 - Nov 20 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Without telling me who, I’d be really interested to know if anyone changed their voting intention after that debate last night? Or if anyone was undecided and has now decided? |
Nothing to do with the debate but I have pretty much decided to spoil my ballot .. | | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 15:25 - Nov 20 with 1145 views | stevec |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 11:09 - Nov 20 by BazzaInTheLoft |
To be fair, a proper socialist government from one of the big economies like ours has never had a good crack at it. But yeah I fear you may be right. |
Er, I think Russia had a crack at it for the most part of last Century.
That went well. | | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 15:35 - Nov 20 with 1122 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 15:25 - Nov 20 by stevec |
Er, I think Russia had a crack at it for the most part of last Century.
That went well. |
Literacy was good under the Soviet Union. They would have taught you to read a thread properly. | | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 15:38 - Nov 20 with 1113 views | stowmarketrange |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 15:24 - Nov 20 by essextaxiboy |
Nothing to do with the debate but I have pretty much decided to spoil my ballot .. |
Me too.The 4 candidates in my constituency don’t represent my views on the most important issue in this election,so I don’t think I’ll bother. | | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 15:43 - Nov 20 with 1105 views | kensalriser |
Fck the Tories. Enough said. |  |
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| Johnson v Corbyn on 15:46 - Nov 20 with 1098 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 15:04 - Nov 20 by smegma |
To answer the OP, no I didn't watch as I had better things to do.
I took up Fullers offer of £1.74 a pint to celebrate their 174th anniversary. I had 3 pints , went to Hanwell v Chipstead, then back to the pub for another 3 pints. So £10.44 for 6 pints and £4 entry to Hanwell (half price with QPR season ticket).
So that was twelvety hundred pounds for a good night according to Dianne Abbott. |
Chipstead is one of my local teams mate. In fact my youngest played at the club for about ten years.
What was the score? | | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 15:53 - Nov 20 with 1080 views | colinallcars |
I think if the names Johnson or Corbyn appeared on my ballot paper I'd refrain from voting. However, I will of course be voting for the re-election of my hard working local MP. |  | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 15:54 - Nov 20 with 2322 views | colinallcars |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 15:04 - Nov 20 by smegma |
To answer the OP, no I didn't watch as I had better things to do.
I took up Fullers offer of £1.74 a pint to celebrate their 174th anniversary. I had 3 pints , went to Hanwell v Chipstead, then back to the pub for another 3 pints. So £10.44 for 6 pints and £4 entry to Hanwell (half price with QPR season ticket).
So that was twelvety hundred pounds for a good night according to Dianne Abbott. |
Blimey, I thought the voucher offer was limited to three pints. I didn't know you could go back for more ! | | | |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 16:40 - Nov 20 with 2251 views | hubble |
The political landscape is utterly dispiriting, but when was it any different? I don't think in my lifetime there has been a leader or party that came close to reflecting or representing my views. Sure, there are elements in the various parties, but it is the very nature of the party system, so akin to a cult, that is a major turn off for me.
For me the entire landscape of politics is ripe for radical reform. The idea that a government should determine so much for so many people based on ideologies rather than practicalities seems ludicrous to me. All a government should do (IMO) is administer the basic practical elements of society effectively, and to do this, we need experts in each field, not these often absurd politicians. If we could vote for independent experts in a field of core options to create an administration, this would be far more preferable: transport, taxation, education, health and so on. The argument against this would be that it would be impossible to reach consensus, but I disagree: if the administration was formed of elected independents, they would reach consensus by a majority amongst themselves, thereby each key area would be discussed and argued for on the basis of necessity, not vested interests.
Anyway, addressing these two 'leaders' I find Johnson repulsive and Corbyn uninspiring. Having to produce overarching manifestos for ta whole spectrum of policies is an absurd idea; break it down into key areas and then vote for those separately. That's my tuppence worth anyway. |  |
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| Johnson v Corbyn on 16:45 - Nov 20 with 2243 views | smegma |
| Johnson v Corbyn on 15:46 - Nov 20 by CroydonCaptJack |
Chipstead is one of my local teams mate. In fact my youngest played at the club for about ten years.
What was the score? |
Chipstead took the lead 3 times but it ended 3-3. Hanwell are 4 points clear at the top and are still unbeaten in the league. Cracking game on a freezing night. | | | |
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