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Alabama 11:52 - May 16 with 11837 viewsDrizzy

Has voted to criminalise abortion at every stage of pregnancy, with no exception for rape and incest. Abortion is now a class A felony, meaning doctors found guilty of performing abortions could be punished with up to 99 years in prison.

In the same week, the US reportedly draws up plans to send 120,000 troops to Iran.

Just when will Christian fundamentalist extremism stop?

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Alabama on 11:24 - May 18 with 2030 viewsLord_Bony

Alabama on 21:19 - May 17 by Jack_Meoff

Wish I shared your optimism Tom. There'll be plenty on here, and in society as whole, supporting the lunatics' forthcoming aggression against Iran. Same as it ever was.


Trump has a re election coming up. A war with Iran would be great for his ratings (and ego).

This is really what this is all about.

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Alabama on 12:11 - May 18 with 2004 viewsPegojack

Alabama on 23:06 - May 16 by Kilkennyjack

Only women have the right to decide about their own bodies.

You cannot have 25 middle class white men telling millions of women what they can and cannot do with their bodies.

This will soon be reversed.

Feck Trump.


Well said. Feminists in Alabama should list the business interests of the politicians who facilitated the legislation and ask all women to boycott the companies and products concerned.
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Alabama on 12:35 - May 18 with 1987 viewsRokerite

Alabama on 11:24 - May 18 by Lord_Bony

Trump has a re election coming up. A war with Iran would be great for his ratings (and ego).

This is really what this is all about.


No, a war with Iran would be disastrous for his ratings and ensure he'd be thrashed in the 2020 election.
Had Hillary won in 2016 there'd have been a much greater chance of further US military action in the region.
It's not impossible that Trump will listen to the siren voices of people like John Bolton but those advocating war would have had a much more sympathetic ear if it had been Mrs Clinton's.
The major danger Trump poses is less an eagerness to go to war than a reluctance to use force should it be justified.
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Alabama on 12:52 - May 18 with 1977 viewsRokerite

Alabama on 23:06 - May 16 by Kilkennyjack

Only women have the right to decide about their own bodies.

You cannot have 25 middle class white men telling millions of women what they can and cannot do with their bodies.

This will soon be reversed.

Feck Trump.


I agree with you that every woman should have the right to decide on whether they wish to have an abortion or not.
The governor who signed the law, with as much keenness as any of the 25 men, is a woman. There are many women as determined to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body.
I hope the law will soon be reversed but increasingly US States are voting in measures to restrict, if not ban, abortion.
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Alabama on 16:03 - May 18 with 1943 viewscontroversial_jack

Alabama on 12:52 - May 18 by Rokerite

I agree with you that every woman should have the right to decide on whether they wish to have an abortion or not.
The governor who signed the law, with as much keenness as any of the 25 men, is a woman. There are many women as determined to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body.
I hope the law will soon be reversed but increasingly US States are voting in measures to restrict, if not ban, abortion.


Putin won't allow any war with Iran
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Alabama on 17:05 - May 18 with 1911 viewsDJack

Alabama on 12:35 - May 18 by Rokerite

No, a war with Iran would be disastrous for his ratings and ensure he'd be thrashed in the 2020 election.
Had Hillary won in 2016 there'd have been a much greater chance of further US military action in the region.
It's not impossible that Trump will listen to the siren voices of people like John Bolton but those advocating war would have had a much more sympathetic ear if it had been Mrs Clinton's.
The major danger Trump poses is less an eagerness to go to war than a reluctance to use force should it be justified.


Incorrect. All Trump is concerned with is his voter base and a war with Iran (heck even an escalation of tensions) will keep his mouth-breathers on side.

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Alabama on 17:08 - May 18 with 1908 viewsDJack

Alabama on 16:03 - May 18 by controversial_jack

Putin won't allow any war with Iran


Russia is skint but he would utilise it to massive effect.

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Alabama on 17:25 - May 18 with 1901 viewsRokerite

Alabama on 17:05 - May 18 by DJack

Incorrect. All Trump is concerned with is his voter base and a war with Iran (heck even an escalation of tensions) will keep his mouth-breathers on side.


No, Trump is a throwback to eighty years ago. His base are far more isolationist than the Democrats.
I appreciate how disliked Trump is but it is a complete misconception to believe he is a warmonger, or that his supporters (in the main) are either. The vast majority of Trump's supporters have never been outside The USA and have no interest in the rest of the world.
With the exception of Bush Junior all the Presidents who've taken America into war have been Democrats; I exclude Bush Senior and the first gulf war as that was an international action. The biggest danger is not Trump going to war, it is Trump sending out signals that he wouldn't be prepared to go to the aid of any ally who is attacked; and that is an attitude that would go down well with the mouth-breathers as you call them. "Why should our boys die defending Latvia, Poland or even The UK?" is something to keep them on side.
It's good that there are comparatively few American boots on the ground in the middle-east, had Hillary won that hell would be even hotter now. It isn't good that there could be a reluctance to keep US troops in Europe.
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Alabama on 17:28 - May 18 with 1896 viewsDJack

Alabama on 17:25 - May 18 by Rokerite

No, Trump is a throwback to eighty years ago. His base are far more isolationist than the Democrats.
I appreciate how disliked Trump is but it is a complete misconception to believe he is a warmonger, or that his supporters (in the main) are either. The vast majority of Trump's supporters have never been outside The USA and have no interest in the rest of the world.
With the exception of Bush Junior all the Presidents who've taken America into war have been Democrats; I exclude Bush Senior and the first gulf war as that was an international action. The biggest danger is not Trump going to war, it is Trump sending out signals that he wouldn't be prepared to go to the aid of any ally who is attacked; and that is an attitude that would go down well with the mouth-breathers as you call them. "Why should our boys die defending Latvia, Poland or even The UK?" is something to keep them on side.
It's good that there are comparatively few American boots on the ground in the middle-east, had Hillary won that hell would be even hotter now. It isn't good that there could be a reluctance to keep US troops in Europe.


His base are all for, America is #1 in the world and we do what we goddam want. (Bibles and guns preferred but can be optional)

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Alabama on 17:30 - May 18 with 1894 viewsRokerite

Alabama on 17:28 - May 18 by DJack

His base are all for, America is #1 in the world and we do what we goddam want. (Bibles and guns preferred but can be optional)


Oh I wouldn't disagree with that.
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Alabama on 19:08 - May 18 with 1873 viewsJackarmy777

Killing unborn children, that’s what abortion is.
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Alabama on 19:29 - May 18 with 1859 viewsLohengrin

Alabama on 17:25 - May 18 by Rokerite

No, Trump is a throwback to eighty years ago. His base are far more isolationist than the Democrats.
I appreciate how disliked Trump is but it is a complete misconception to believe he is a warmonger, or that his supporters (in the main) are either. The vast majority of Trump's supporters have never been outside The USA and have no interest in the rest of the world.
With the exception of Bush Junior all the Presidents who've taken America into war have been Democrats; I exclude Bush Senior and the first gulf war as that was an international action. The biggest danger is not Trump going to war, it is Trump sending out signals that he wouldn't be prepared to go to the aid of any ally who is attacked; and that is an attitude that would go down well with the mouth-breathers as you call them. "Why should our boys die defending Latvia, Poland or even The UK?" is something to keep them on side.
It's good that there are comparatively few American boots on the ground in the middle-east, had Hillary won that hell would be even hotter now. It isn't good that there could be a reluctance to keep US troops in Europe.


That’s pretty much on the money.

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Alabama on 20:51 - May 18 with 1819 viewsJackarmy777

Alabama on 17:25 - May 18 by Rokerite

No, Trump is a throwback to eighty years ago. His base are far more isolationist than the Democrats.
I appreciate how disliked Trump is but it is a complete misconception to believe he is a warmonger, or that his supporters (in the main) are either. The vast majority of Trump's supporters have never been outside The USA and have no interest in the rest of the world.
With the exception of Bush Junior all the Presidents who've taken America into war have been Democrats; I exclude Bush Senior and the first gulf war as that was an international action. The biggest danger is not Trump going to war, it is Trump sending out signals that he wouldn't be prepared to go to the aid of any ally who is attacked; and that is an attitude that would go down well with the mouth-breathers as you call them. "Why should our boys die defending Latvia, Poland or even The UK?" is something to keep them on side.
It's good that there are comparatively few American boots on the ground in the middle-east, had Hillary won that hell would be even hotter now. It isn't good that there could be a reluctance to keep US troops in Europe.


There are a few inaccuracies in what you say.
As someone who now spends 80% of the time in the USA, it’s certainly not true that most Americans dislike Trump, far from it. DT will win the next election, very comfortably.

Also you say the vast majority of DT supporters have never been abroad, what evidence do you have to back that up ? And even if that’s true, the USA is huge country, much bigger than Europe itself, and you would have to ask yourself the question, why would Americans want to go abroad, when they have everything they could possibly want within their own country.
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Alabama on 20:55 - May 18 with 1815 viewssherpajacob

Alabama on 18:15 - May 17 by londonlisa2001

Doctors, not politicians. Because they say when it’s actually an unborn child rather than a potential unborn child.

Tell me this. Do you believe that someone on a life support system in a permanent vegetative state can ever be turned off or is it an absolute necessity that they remain hooked up forever?


The final say with all abortion legislation in the past and in the future rests with politicians.

Previously it was 28 weeks, now it's 24 weeks, because a child has a,better chance of survival. This in my mind is irrelevant. In the 70s human life began at 28 weeks, now it begins at 24 weeks. The only change is medical advances to allow a,premature baby to survive. The human gestation period has not changed.

The comparison of somebody at deaths door with a human baby that without intervention would live a,full and healthy life is completely spurious.

The simple question is, at what point does human life begin?

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Alabama on 21:03 - May 18 with 1803 viewsJackarmy777

Alabama on 20:55 - May 18 by sherpajacob

The final say with all abortion legislation in the past and in the future rests with politicians.

Previously it was 28 weeks, now it's 24 weeks, because a child has a,better chance of survival. This in my mind is irrelevant. In the 70s human life began at 28 weeks, now it begins at 24 weeks. The only change is medical advances to allow a,premature baby to survive. The human gestation period has not changed.

The comparison of somebody at deaths door with a human baby that without intervention would live a,full and healthy life is completely spurious.

The simple question is, at what point does human life begin?


What a ridiculous thing to say. Should we not treat someone who has a heart attack, with modern medicine, because that medicine may not have been around 30 years ago ?
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Alabama on 21:34 - May 18 with 1785 viewssherpajacob

Alabama on 21:03 - May 18 by Jackarmy777

What a ridiculous thing to say. Should we not treat someone who has a heart attack, with modern medicine, because that medicine may not have been around 30 years ago ?


You haven't understood what I've said at all.

Simple question, when does human life begin?
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Alabama on 23:45 - May 18 with 1742 viewsHighjack

Alabama on 21:34 - May 18 by sherpajacob

You haven't understood what I've said at all.

Simple question, when does human life begin?
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That’s definitely not a simple question.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Alabama on 06:40 - May 19 with 1696 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

Alabama on 19:29 - May 18 by Lohengrin

That’s pretty much on the money.


Indeed it is .

However This Bolton guy is a lunatic
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Alabama on 09:26 - May 19 with 1672 viewssherpajacob

Alabama on 23:45 - May 18 by Highjack

That’s definitely not a simple question.


The question is, the answer may not be.

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Alabama on 10:25 - May 19 with 1658 viewscontroversial_jack

Alabama on 17:08 - May 18 by DJack

Russia is skint but he would utilise it to massive effect.


It's not skint and has loads of natural resources and keeps Europe supplied with gas.Europe won't want to upset Putin and what Putin wants he always gets.
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Alabama on 17:43 - May 30 with 1487 viewsDarran

https://news.sky.com/story/doctors-feared-worlds-tiniest-baby-only-had-an-hour-t

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Alabama on 18:54 - May 30 with 1441 viewsJackarmy777

Alabama on 17:43 - May 30 by Darran

https://news.sky.com/story/doctors-feared-worlds-tiniest-baby-only-had-an-hour-t


And there are people on this very forum, who’d happily see babies such as the one in the link, destroyed.
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