| Chairman Presentation 21:15 - Dec 28 with 17422 views | judd |
Apologies if posted earlier but there will be a presentation to Chris Dunphy at 2:45 on the pitch tomorrow. |  |
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| Chairman Presentation on 21:55 - Jan 2 with 2837 views | fitzochris |
| Chairman Presentation on 21:53 - Jan 2 by rafc1977 |
Am I alone in thinking with "things starting to creep out of the woodwork" this muted fans forum won't go ahead?
Let's face it some posters on here clearly in the know and close to the truth are exactly the people the new chair or hilly for that matter will want sat in front of them and putting them on the spot.
I know one thing, if it does go ahead it'll be not to be missed! |
It absolutely needs to go ahead. If they cancel this they will lose what little support they have remaining. |  |
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| Chairman Presentation on 21:57 - Jan 2 with 2811 views | judd |
| Chairman Presentation on 21:53 - Jan 2 by rafc1977 |
Am I alone in thinking with "things starting to creep out of the woodwork" this muted fans forum won't go ahead?
Let's face it some posters on here clearly in the know and close to the truth are exactly the people the new chair or hilly for that matter will want sat in front of them and putting them on the spot.
I know one thing, if it does go ahead it'll be not to be missed! |
Well I have a feeling that it will be postponed, possibly at the request of those mentioned... | |
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| Chairman Presentation on 22:00 - Jan 2 with 2772 views | MoonyDale |
| Chairman Presentation on 21:57 - Jan 2 by judd |
Well I have a feeling that it will be postponed, possibly at the request of those mentioned... |
If this were happening at Giggle Lane we would be wetting ourselves with glee, if it gets postponed there's not much we can do though... |  |
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| Chairman Presentation on 22:06 - Jan 2 with 2702 views | rafc1977 |
| Chairman Presentation on 22:00 - Jan 2 by MoonyDale |
If this were happening at Giggle Lane we would be wetting ourselves with glee, if it gets postponed there's not much we can do though... |
I couldn't really give a shit about Bury it any other club for that matter, I'm only interested in Dale. I do have opinions on other clubs and the constant shenanigans (of which our local neighbours happen to have in abundance)
But your 150% spot on MD we've spouted for years the holier than thou and now the safe pair of hands have gone.....and if rumour is true the new incumbent hasn't exactly covered himself in glory......how we are now giving others a soap opera to watch! |  | | |
| Chairman Presentation on 22:24 - Jan 2 with 2619 views | Shun |
When is the forum? Can anyone attend? Do you have to book in advance or anything? |  | | |
| Chairman Presentation on 22:29 - Jan 2 with 2583 views | judd |
| Chairman Presentation on 22:24 - Jan 2 by Shun |
When is the forum? Can anyone attend? Do you have to book in advance or anything? |
I believe it's 14th January and at the moment anyone can attend, and in terms of booking in advance, if you're married you can never, ever give enough notice of going. | |
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| Chairman Presentation on 22:39 - Jan 2 with 2531 views | James1980 |
| Chairman Presentation on 22:29 - Jan 2 by judd |
I believe it's 14th January and at the moment anyone can attend, and in terms of booking in advance, if you're married you can never, ever give enough notice of going. |
Could easily go into the meeting on the back of 5 straight defeats including being out of the Checkatrade.
Alternatively Hill might pull one of his rabbits out of a cap and 3 straight wins including knocking out MCU21s and the football press purring about our awesome youth players. Ah the current life of being a Dale fan not knowing if you're getting a metaphorical nice shiny present or a metaphorical kick in the teeth. |  |
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| Chairman Presentation on 22:41 - Jan 2 with 2510 views | judd |
| Chairman Presentation on 22:39 - Jan 2 by James1980 |
Could easily go into the meeting on the back of 5 straight defeats including being out of the Checkatrade.
Alternatively Hill might pull one of his rabbits out of a cap and 3 straight wins including knocking out MCU21s and the football press purring about our awesome youth players. Ah the current life of being a Dale fan not knowing if you're getting a metaphorical nice shiny present or a metaphorical kick in the teeth. |
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| Chairman Presentation on 22:48 - Jan 2 with 2477 views | James1980 |
| Chairman Presentation on 22:41 - Jan 2 by judd |
Can I have the number of your dealer please |
Based on what has happened over the last few years there is every possibility KH could make some audacious head scratching selection/formation/changing the position of a player. That actually this time leads to an upturn in results. | |
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| Chairman Presentation on 22:56 - Jan 2 with 2446 views | ColDale |
| Chairman Presentation on 22:24 - Jan 2 by Shun |
When is the forum? Can anyone attend? Do you have to book in advance or anything? |
The forum is Monday 14th January and has actually been arranged at the request of the board. It had been arranged as the traditional meeting with the directors where fans send their questions but it is the Board insistent on an open and public forum. Assumed it's upstairs in the Main lounge but can't remember starting time but will double check and post tomorrow. |  | | |
| Chairman Presentation on 09:24 - Jan 3 with 2193 views | smaclad1 |
| Chairman Presentation on 22:56 - Jan 2 by ColDale |
The forum is Monday 14th January and has actually been arranged at the request of the board. It had been arranged as the traditional meeting with the directors where fans send their questions but it is the Board insistent on an open and public forum. Assumed it's upstairs in the Main lounge but can't remember starting time but will double check and post tomorrow. |
But, and it's a big but, will those who claim to be in the know be in the front row (or indeed any row) to ask the sort of questions that their claims would seem to suggest need asking. Not everyone who attends will be of a like mind - if my son attends he'd most likely be asking about hot dogs, the inability to pay by card at the kiosks and why we always get blind referees. Seem to recall a CD story about being accosted in the pub about pie quality around the time of one promotion. | | | |
| Chairman Presentation on 10:58 - Jan 3 with 2064 views | MoonyDale |
| Chairman Presentation on 09:24 - Jan 3 by smaclad1 |
But, and it's a big but, will those who claim to be in the know be in the front row (or indeed any row) to ask the sort of questions that their claims would seem to suggest need asking. Not everyone who attends will be of a like mind - if my son attends he'd most likely be asking about hot dogs, the inability to pay by card at the kiosks and why we always get blind referees. Seem to recall a CD story about being accosted in the pub about pie quality around the time of one promotion. |
I usually attend all the fans forums and the usual questions get asked, kiosks and catering, injuries, transfers, more mundane enquiries about all sorts of stuff. The most awkward question I have heard was asked about the feeling on the terraces about an apparent lack of ambition from the club and settling for what we had at the time, it was added that this was not aimed at the manager. This did not go down well at the top table but it was noted that Hilly fielded thst question himself and a comment from one board member that we couldn't cope if we were to gain promotion because we didnt have the infrastructure in place ..... The point being that if really difficult questions are asked doesn't mean the answer will be forthcoming or indeed the question even acknowledged........ | |
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| Chairman Presentation on 11:51 - Jan 3 with 1931 views | D_Alien |
| Chairman Presentation on 10:58 - Jan 3 by MoonyDale |
I usually attend all the fans forums and the usual questions get asked, kiosks and catering, injuries, transfers, more mundane enquiries about all sorts of stuff. The most awkward question I have heard was asked about the feeling on the terraces about an apparent lack of ambition from the club and settling for what we had at the time, it was added that this was not aimed at the manager. This did not go down well at the top table but it was noted that Hilly fielded thst question himself and a comment from one board member that we couldn't cope if we were to gain promotion because we didnt have the infrastructure in place ..... The point being that if really difficult questions are asked doesn't mean the answer will be forthcoming or indeed the question even acknowledged........ |
It's true about the type of questions asked. The problem with awkward questions is that the questioner not only has to be prepared with a follow-up if the question is fielded defensively, but also be prepared to face what (in the past, at least) has been a majority in the room who will react badly to it. The general atmosphere tends be one of bowing and scraping, caps doffed, etc. Maybe it'll be different this time? |  |
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| Chairman Presentation on 12:04 - Jan 3 with 1882 views | DaleiLama |
| Chairman Presentation on 11:51 - Jan 3 by D_Alien |
It's true about the type of questions asked. The problem with awkward questions is that the questioner not only has to be prepared with a follow-up if the question is fielded defensively, but also be prepared to face what (in the past, at least) has been a majority in the room who will react badly to it. The general atmosphere tends be one of bowing and scraping, caps doffed, etc. Maybe it'll be different this time? |
Could/would the trust be prepared to ask questions on behalf of fans? That would preserve any fans anonymity, ensure those unable to attend have a voice and avoid duplication. I guess a lot of questions will be around similar themes too, so they could be "grouped" accordingly. Might help with the general flow of proceedings too. I seem to vaguely remember this being done last time? |  |
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| Chairman Presentation on 12:54 - Jan 3 with 1783 views | MoonyDale |
| Chairman Presentation on 11:51 - Jan 3 by D_Alien |
It's true about the type of questions asked. The problem with awkward questions is that the questioner not only has to be prepared with a follow-up if the question is fielded defensively, but also be prepared to face what (in the past, at least) has been a majority in the room who will react badly to it. The general atmosphere tends be one of bowing and scraping, caps doffed, etc. Maybe it'll be different this time? |
I agree and you could feel the mood change when the question was asked, it was me who asked it though and i was prepared for exactly that reaction and wasn't in the slightest bothered by it. Strangely though Dave beat a hasty retreat and came nowhere near me with the microphone after that, any fan that asks one awkward question won't usually get to ask a second....Will be interesting to see and hear what happens on the 14th... | |
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| Chairman Presentation on 13:42 - Jan 3 with 1694 views | D_Alien |
| Chairman Presentation on 12:04 - Jan 3 by DaleiLama |
Could/would the trust be prepared to ask questions on behalf of fans? That would preserve any fans anonymity, ensure those unable to attend have a voice and avoid duplication. I guess a lot of questions will be around similar themes too, so they could be "grouped" accordingly. Might help with the general flow of proceedings too. I seem to vaguely remember this being done last time? |
It's not a bad idea, but i feel it's important for everyone to "see the whites of people's eyes" when questions are being asked. Anonymous questions would be asked in too neutral a way and could be too easily dealt with in a way that satisfied nobody
If someone has a topic they're really interested to air, they should be able to stand up and face the response, when tone of voice and demeanour are important too | |
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| Chairman Presentation on 13:47 - Jan 3 with 1665 views | cadmonkey |
| Chairman Presentation on 13:42 - Jan 3 by D_Alien |
It's not a bad idea, but i feel it's important for everyone to "see the whites of people's eyes" when questions are being asked. Anonymous questions would be asked in too neutral a way and could be too easily dealt with in a way that satisfied nobody
If someone has a topic they're really interested to air, they should be able to stand up and face the response, when tone of voice and demeanour are important too |
Not sure everyone has the confidence to speak up in front of a crowd of people though.
I know I don't. |  | | |
| Chairman Presentation on 13:53 - Jan 3 with 1633 views | D_Alien |
| Chairman Presentation on 13:47 - Jan 3 by cadmonkey |
Not sure everyone has the confidence to speak up in front of a crowd of people though.
I know I don't. |
It's a fair point, and as alluded to earlier, there is the potential for the room to turn against the questioner
Perhaps there might be value in having a mix of prepared questions and open forum-type questions. What would be annoying is having the opportunity that the fans forum affords and it just to pass by without anything really being aired | |
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| Chairman Presentation on 14:12 - Jan 3 with 1591 views | rochdale_ranger |
| Chairman Presentation on 13:53 - Jan 3 by D_Alien |
It's a fair point, and as alluded to earlier, there is the potential for the room to turn against the questioner
Perhaps there might be value in having a mix of prepared questions and open forum-type questions. What would be annoying is having the opportunity that the fans forum affords and it just to pass by without anything really being aired |
But surely most of what has been said on here wont be up for discussion/comment as it regards employees and will come under confidentiality rules? |  | | |
| Chairman Presentation on 14:20 - Jan 3 with 1565 views | DaleiLama |
| Chairman Presentation on 13:53 - Jan 3 by D_Alien |
It's a fair point, and as alluded to earlier, there is the potential for the room to turn against the questioner
Perhaps there might be value in having a mix of prepared questions and open forum-type questions. What would be annoying is having the opportunity that the fans forum affords and it just to pass by without anything really being aired |
And the points you made earlier were fair too and I see the value in that.
The types of things I was wondering about were along the lines of "A question sent in by 58 Dale fans ……… why are Dale so sh1te at defending set pieces and have so few wins at home". OGS has publicly dealt with the former recently so why should KH not?
There is also potentially a fine line in such interactions between asking nothing challenging and going OTT and a panellist taking their ball home. Clearly a public forum is not the place to air private grievances, but if questions are asked via the trust, they can be broached in a way that should get responses on big issues without too many toys thrown out of prams. That's all really. | |
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| Chairman Presentation on 14:32 - Jan 3 with 1529 views | nicknick |
| Chairman Presentation on 14:20 - Jan 3 by DaleiLama |
And the points you made earlier were fair too and I see the value in that.
The types of things I was wondering about were along the lines of "A question sent in by 58 Dale fans ……… why are Dale so sh1te at defending set pieces and have so few wins at home". OGS has publicly dealt with the former recently so why should KH not?
There is also potentially a fine line in such interactions between asking nothing challenging and going OTT and a panellist taking their ball home. Clearly a public forum is not the place to air private grievances, but if questions are asked via the trust, they can be broached in a way that should get responses on big issues without too many toys thrown out of prams. That's all really. |
I for 1 would not be comfortable raising my points as I know too many people within the club. I would be alienated at games and that would make my experience even worse than watching the dross at the moment. | | | |
| Chairman Presentation on 15:08 - Jan 3 with 1450 views | D_Alien |
| Chairman Presentation on 14:32 - Jan 3 by nicknick |
I for 1 would not be comfortable raising my points as I know too many people within the club. I would be alienated at games and that would make my experience even worse than watching the dross at the moment. |
Can fully understand that
I guess it's about trying to achieve the right balance between having a non-event, being fair to all concerned, including of course, those who work in any capacity within the club; and fans feeling they've had a full and reasonable opportunity for their concerns (or indeed praise) to be listened to and a response which allows everyone to move on
That's why it's important to have this discussion now, so any relevant points can be taken on board. It's no use just going into it blindly, or feeling that it's going to be a whitewash | |
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| Chairman Presentation on 15:18 - Jan 3 with 1412 views | smaclad1 |
| Chairman Presentation on 14:32 - Jan 3 by nicknick |
I for 1 would not be comfortable raising my points as I know too many people within the club. I would be alienated at games and that would make my experience even worse than watching the dross at the moment. |
On this thread you have confirmed that your name is Nick, that you have a season ticket, that you sit in front of the away Directors, that you DJ at the Ratcliffe with Sweetmore - and you've told us that is enough to work out your full name. Not entirely sure that standing up at a forum and repeating what you've claimed on this board could alienate you more than what you have achieved yourself - that's if anyone at the club is actually bothered.
Right - that's one ITK'er down for the fans forum. Who's the next ITKer to duck it? | | | |
| Chairman Presentation on 15:21 - Jan 3 with 1391 views | nicknick |
| Chairman Presentation on 15:18 - Jan 3 by smaclad1 |
On this thread you have confirmed that your name is Nick, that you have a season ticket, that you sit in front of the away Directors, that you DJ at the Ratcliffe with Sweetmore - and you've told us that is enough to work out your full name. Not entirely sure that standing up at a forum and repeating what you've claimed on this board could alienate you more than what you have achieved yourself - that's if anyone at the club is actually bothered.
Right - that's one ITK'er down for the fans forum. Who's the next ITKer to duck it? |
forgive my ignorance... ITK'er??? | | | |
| Chairman Presentation on 15:24 - Jan 3 with 1380 views | MoonyDale |
| Chairman Presentation on 15:21 - Jan 3 by nicknick |
forgive my ignorance... ITK'er??? |
In the know er....... | |
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