| Thank goodness it's over......? 16:55 - Jul 14 with 7730 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
Well beaten today.......Belgium are much better than us but we are emerging.
Our forwards were poor today (except Cheeky Loftus)
Get them back home and rebuild
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| Thank goodness it's over......? on 18:00 - Jul 15 with 1744 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 15:07 - Jul 15 by AtThePeake |
The thing with Kane is, even when he doesn't play particularly well, he scores goals.
If he continues "playing poorly", "not being an elite striker", is a "flat-track bully" and "tap-in merchant" and carries on scoring at his current rate for the rest of his career, every Spurs fan will take that. Strikers are judged on goals. Kane scores them. Simple as that. |
I don’t think anybody has suggested he will not continue to score bucket loads for best of the rest Tottenham. The issue is that further up the competitive ladder you go, and the World Cup is the pinnacle, you need to have that extra bit more. If the chances aren’t coming you have to go and create them for yourself or others. Kane has confirmed in this World Cup that he is a very good finisher when we dominate against weaker opposition and that he takes a mean penalty. He has, however, confirmed that when we are not dominating he struggles to have an impact in games. As good as he was against Tunisia and Panama he was as poor against Croatia and Belgium. He was also quiet against Sweden and Columbia. | |
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| Thank goodness it's over......? on 18:05 - Jul 15 with 1726 views | DaleiLama |
WC finished with another dull game with few goals, incidents and moments of controversy. All in all an unmemorable competition. |  |
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| Thank goodness it's over......? on 18:31 - Jul 15 with 1666 views | yumyum |
England should not get too carried away,How many more World Cups will big teams not qualify and big teams eliminated before the semis? also,how many more times will we be able to plan our destiny via an "easier" route?.Probably wont happen again,especially in my lifetime and i should comfotably see at least 6 more world cups. [Post edited 15 Jul 2018 18:32]
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| Thank goodness it's over......? on 18:36 - Jul 15 with 1656 views | macro |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 18:31 - Jul 15 by yumyum |
England should not get too carried away,How many more World Cups will big teams not qualify and big teams eliminated before the semis? also,how many more times will we be able to plan our destiny via an "easier" route?.Probably wont happen again,especially in my lifetime and i should comfotably see at least 6 more world cups. [Post edited 15 Jul 2018 18:32]
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Full of cheer aren't you. The English should only get better, remember they were the youngest at the tournament. The noises coming out of Germany, Argentina and Portugal are that younger players aren't coming through and they could struggle for a while yet. I could see France though being the team to beat for several years to come. |  | | |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 18:40 - Jul 15 with 1641 views | yumyum |
Im not saying England wont get better but will France,Germany,Italy etc not?Our best chance was this world cup with so many big teams under performing all at once.If we do eventually win it,it will be a lot harder than the chance we had this world cup.
If England can find a replacement for Sterling within these next 4 yearsthen that would greatly help us.As of yet,he is the best of the crop we have for that position and its a position currently hindering us. [Post edited 15 Jul 2018 18:46]
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| Thank goodness it's over......? on 19:27 - Jul 15 with 1560 views | D_Alien |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 18:05 - Jul 15 by DaleiLama |
WC finished with another dull game with few goals, incidents and moments of controversy. All in all an unmemorable competition. |
Couldn't agree more, the worst WC i've ever seen and Qatar will be miles better, especially the energy levels in the searing heat which has been so sadly lacking in most games. Can't wait for the next Goal of the Tourny after the pedestrian efforts the experts (or was that ex-pats?) had to wade through to make a decision
And who needs a downpour when the sweat-factor will make it look like a drizzle? |  |
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| Thank goodness it's over......? on 19:51 - Jul 15 with 1517 views | SuddenLad |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 19:27 - Jul 15 by D_Alien |
Couldn't agree more, the worst WC i've ever seen and Qatar will be miles better, especially the energy levels in the searing heat which has been so sadly lacking in most games. Can't wait for the next Goal of the Tourny after the pedestrian efforts the experts (or was that ex-pats?) had to wade through to make a decision
And who needs a downpour when the sweat-factor will make it look like a drizzle? |
The next World Cup tournament in Qatar will begin on November 21 2022, while the final will be staged on 18 December, 2022 which coincides with Qatar National Day. Even then it will be hot with temperatures around the 30C mark.
Better than the 50 degrees had the tournament been played in summer. That would almost certainly have resulted in serious physical harm or even death. |  |
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| Thank goodness it's over......? on 20:14 - Jul 15 with 1478 views | frenzied |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 19:51 - Jul 15 by SuddenLad |
The next World Cup tournament in Qatar will begin on November 21 2022, while the final will be staged on 18 December, 2022 which coincides with Qatar National Day. Even then it will be hot with temperatures around the 30C mark.
Better than the 50 degrees had the tournament been played in summer. That would almost certainly have resulted in serious physical harm or even death. |
A christmas world cup..the retailers could get hit hard if England do well altho the pubs will be packed out... | | | |
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| Thank goodness it's over......? on 20:33 - Jul 15 with 1449 views | kiwidale |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 07:42 - Jul 15 by nordenblue |
Gulf between who? |
Its all about opinions you are entitled to yours, here's mine... If we are talking about technique and skill i.e. the ability to give and receive a pass in tight spaces or the ability to play short in and around the opponents third or close control and first touch in the box etc then France and Belgium for a start add Spain, Portugal and to a lesser degree Croatia and others would suggest the gulf between the teams I have mentioned is still noticeable and will remain so. This current group of players will not improve or compete at the highest level they do not have the skill set required. The English game is about speed and strength always has been, maybe if we should play to our strengths -albeit with better players- rather than play a game that we cant. We can of course more than match Panama and Tunisia and for all Kane's goal scoring exploits I doubt that he would even be in the squad if Shearer Lineker and Keegan were still playing. I could mention others but they will suffice and what would you give for Gascoigne or Robson in midfield? do we even have a creative midfielder who can open up a defence? | |
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| Thank goodness it's over......? on 21:09 - Jul 15 with 1394 views | nordenblue |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 20:33 - Jul 15 by kiwidale |
Its all about opinions you are entitled to yours, here's mine... If we are talking about technique and skill i.e. the ability to give and receive a pass in tight spaces or the ability to play short in and around the opponents third or close control and first touch in the box etc then France and Belgium for a start add Spain, Portugal and to a lesser degree Croatia and others would suggest the gulf between the teams I have mentioned is still noticeable and will remain so. This current group of players will not improve or compete at the highest level they do not have the skill set required. The English game is about speed and strength always has been, maybe if we should play to our strengths -albeit with better players- rather than play a game that we cant. We can of course more than match Panama and Tunisia and for all Kane's goal scoring exploits I doubt that he would even be in the squad if Shearer Lineker and Keegan were still playing. I could mention others but they will suffice and what would you give for Gascoigne or Robson in midfield? do we even have a creative midfielder who can open up a defence? |
I'd have probably agreed with you going into this world cup,I'm struggling to understand how you can complain or say there's a massive gulf in skill level, the national team plays with 2/3 ball playing centre halfs and a right back good enough to grace most countries in the world,the delivery of his set pieces and crosses into the final 3rd from Trippier is second to none.
To say they won't compete at the highest level is very odd too,they've just played in a semi final of a world cup it doesn't get that much bigger?
As we all saw Spain,Germany,Portugal,Brazil etc advanced skill set got them terribly far it must be some gulf they've got to all go home so early then?
Rather than look through nostalgic goggles, players like Robson,Keegan and co are light years behind the current crop of players in their position for fitness and skill set,it's like people saying George Best would run rings around the current world's best it's laughable,he'd be too busy sat in the changing room having a tab and a can of kestrel super for a start. | | | |
| Thank goodness it's over......? (n/t) on 21:12 - Jul 15 with 1392 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Thank goodness it's over......? (n/t) on 06:58 - Jul 15 by kiwidale |
A "you know fook all about football" so early in pre season is impressive. [Post edited 15 Jul 2018 7:01]
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| Thank goodness it's over......? on 21:14 - Jul 15 with 1382 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 07:42 - Jul 15 by nordenblue |
Gulf between who? |
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| Thank goodness it's over......? (n/t) on 22:03 - Jul 15 with 1304 views | nordenblue |
| Thank goodness it's over......? (n/t) on 21:12 - Jul 15 by rochdaleriddler |
Beaten to it by norden blue freebie, he said that about me last week |
Still very bitter I see,don't let it eat away at you,you keep throwing your money into it there's a good chap.
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| Thank goodness it's over......? on 22:03 - Jul 15 with 1304 views | 442Dale |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 21:09 - Jul 15 by nordenblue |
I'd have probably agreed with you going into this world cup,I'm struggling to understand how you can complain or say there's a massive gulf in skill level, the national team plays with 2/3 ball playing centre halfs and a right back good enough to grace most countries in the world,the delivery of his set pieces and crosses into the final 3rd from Trippier is second to none.
To say they won't compete at the highest level is very odd too,they've just played in a semi final of a world cup it doesn't get that much bigger?
As we all saw Spain,Germany,Portugal,Brazil etc advanced skill set got them terribly far it must be some gulf they've got to all go home so early then?
Rather than look through nostalgic goggles, players like Robson,Keegan and co are light years behind the current crop of players in their position for fitness and skill set,it's like people saying George Best would run rings around the current world's best it's laughable,he'd be too busy sat in the changing room having a tab and a can of kestrel super for a start. |
Without analysing it all, both Robson and Keegan would stand out in any era. Robson especially, he had it all and but for injuries he’d be remembered as one of the best players this country has ever had.
We might have won the World Cup in ‘86 if he hadn’t done his shoulder for the 73rd time. |  |
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| Thank goodness it's over......? on 22:11 - Jul 15 with 1296 views | rochdale_ranger |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 20:33 - Jul 15 by kiwidale |
Its all about opinions you are entitled to yours, here's mine... If we are talking about technique and skill i.e. the ability to give and receive a pass in tight spaces or the ability to play short in and around the opponents third or close control and first touch in the box etc then France and Belgium for a start add Spain, Portugal and to a lesser degree Croatia and others would suggest the gulf between the teams I have mentioned is still noticeable and will remain so. This current group of players will not improve or compete at the highest level they do not have the skill set required. The English game is about speed and strength always has been, maybe if we should play to our strengths -albeit with better players- rather than play a game that we cant. We can of course more than match Panama and Tunisia and for all Kane's goal scoring exploits I doubt that he would even be in the squad if Shearer Lineker and Keegan were still playing. I could mention others but they will suffice and what would you give for Gascoigne or Robson in midfield? do we even have a creative midfielder who can open up a defence? |
We had easy games in the respect that all the teams we played against were beatable the thing is the England of old wouldn’t have beaten those teams. Can you imagine the Tunisia game had big Sam been in charge it would of been panic and useless long balls up the moment they equalised. Instead we remained calm and composed and in the end the better team won. It’s been a strange tournament to say the least and better teams then us didn’t even get out if their groups. Definitely an improvement for me after years of underachieving. |  | | |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 22:13 - Jul 15 with 1292 views | kiwidale |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 21:09 - Jul 15 by nordenblue |
I'd have probably agreed with you going into this world cup,I'm struggling to understand how you can complain or say there's a massive gulf in skill level, the national team plays with 2/3 ball playing centre halfs and a right back good enough to grace most countries in the world,the delivery of his set pieces and crosses into the final 3rd from Trippier is second to none.
To say they won't compete at the highest level is very odd too,they've just played in a semi final of a world cup it doesn't get that much bigger?
As we all saw Spain,Germany,Portugal,Brazil etc advanced skill set got them terribly far it must be some gulf they've got to all go home so early then?
Rather than look through nostalgic goggles, players like Robson,Keegan and co are light years behind the current crop of players in their position for fitness and skill set,it's like people saying George Best would run rings around the current world's best it's laughable,he'd be too busy sat in the changing room having a tab and a can of kestrel super for a start. |
I did say your opinion is as valid as mine we just don't agree, many will agree with you some with me. There were some positives Pickford looked like we wont be looking for a new keeper anytime soon and I agree both Stones and Maguire can play the ball out of defence Maguire in particular looked like he could play in midfield but to suggest they would make any team in the world is wide of the mark. Trippier also look good at times but second to none really? The reason England got to the playoff game is more to do with a favourable draw facilitated by throwing the game against Belgium - which in my book was disgraceful - than being the 4th best team there. Are you suggesting that 4th in the world is on merit? We beat Columbia and Sweden neither of which are world beaters but we could go no further losing the last two games. Point taken that Spain's better technique got them nowhere but if England had been In the tougher half of the draw neither would we have. Your last point about nostalgia is mute and that wasn't my intention we will never know how players like Best would fair in the modern game but I never mentioned Him you did, those I did mention were more than capable of adapting to the modern game. I guess by the same token Maradona would be shit today? I think you missed my point which was they played with more than a degree of success playing to fast attacking football never afraid to take on a defender pitting their skill against theirs. When did we last see a dribbler like Best and yes I know he was Irish but my point remains valid the game has moved on and left us behind. | |
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| Thank goodness it's over......? on 22:14 - Jul 15 with 1291 views | nordenblue |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 22:03 - Jul 15 by 442Dale |
Without analysing it all, both Robson and Keegan would stand out in any era. Robson especially, he had it all and but for injuries he’d be remembered as one of the best players this country has ever had.
We might have won the World Cup in ‘86 if he hadn’t done his shoulder for the 73rd time. |
You can say that about any era or any specific player and pretty impossible to compare in reality,if you compare the players they were up against back then too many were absolutely gash.
A massive factor in today's game for me is the fitness and sheer speed of the game,players from decades ago wouldn't know what had hit them if they could possibly come back (even in their prime) and play 90 mins in today's conditions.
It's like all these clips you see in black and white and these "world class" players scoring goals,the defending is like something from a carry on film and the keeper may aswell be playing blindfolded for what they actually stopped,it's like bloody shooting practice on springy park. | | | |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 22:26 - Jul 15 with 1269 views | nordenblue |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 22:13 - Jul 15 by kiwidale |
I did say your opinion is as valid as mine we just don't agree, many will agree with you some with me. There were some positives Pickford looked like we wont be looking for a new keeper anytime soon and I agree both Stones and Maguire can play the ball out of defence Maguire in particular looked like he could play in midfield but to suggest they would make any team in the world is wide of the mark. Trippier also look good at times but second to none really? The reason England got to the playoff game is more to do with a favourable draw facilitated by throwing the game against Belgium - which in my book was disgraceful - than being the 4th best team there. Are you suggesting that 4th in the world is on merit? We beat Columbia and Sweden neither of which are world beaters but we could go no further losing the last two games. Point taken that Spain's better technique got them nowhere but if England had been In the tougher half of the draw neither would we have. Your last point about nostalgia is mute and that wasn't my intention we will never know how players like Best would fair in the modern game but I never mentioned Him you did, those I did mention were more than capable of adapting to the modern game. I guess by the same token Maradona would be shit today? I think you missed my point which was they played with more than a degree of success playing to fast attacking football never afraid to take on a defender pitting their skill against theirs. When did we last see a dribbler like Best and yes I know he was Irish but my point remains valid the game has moved on and left us behind. |
Yes really about Trippier,you'd struggle to find a more in form defender at the world cup playing in his position,I'm saying Trippier would make most national teams in the world based on this tournament absolutely yes.
We have this brilliant mindset of putting down our own lads and blowing smoke up some bang average opposition players for some bizzare reason.
The game has certainly moved on but I'm not sure it's left us behind, we now seem to have stumbled on a national manager who is more interested in playing technically sound young players.
We are the 4th best team there on merit yes,what else can you base it on with only 3 teams finishing better than us?
Maradona was far from shit but again todays players like Messi and Ronaldo are a totally different level to him and would leave him standing, and all the time whilst playing against far fitter and faster opposition too. [Post edited 15 Jul 2018 22:51]
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| Thank goodness it's over......? on 22:56 - Jul 15 with 1225 views | 442Dale |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 22:14 - Jul 15 by nordenblue |
You can say that about any era or any specific player and pretty impossible to compare in reality,if you compare the players they were up against back then too many were absolutely gash.
A massive factor in today's game for me is the fitness and sheer speed of the game,players from decades ago wouldn't know what had hit them if they could possibly come back (even in their prime) and play 90 mins in today's conditions.
It's like all these clips you see in black and white and these "world class" players scoring goals,the defending is like something from a carry on film and the keeper may aswell be playing blindfolded for what they actually stopped,it's like bloody shooting practice on springy park. |
It is hard to compare, but I’d put money on Robson playing in the current England team and being the best player. | |
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| Thank goodness it's over......? on 10:19 - Jul 16 with 1018 views | Morden |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 22:56 - Jul 15 by 442Dale |
It is hard to compare, but I’d put money on Robson playing in the current England team and being the best player. |
Agree. We've got nothing like a Robson at the moment, or even a Steve McMahon. As for the comparison in fitness levels, if they had been playing today they would have been subject to today's fitness regimes. |  | | |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 11:32 - Jul 16 with 947 views | D_Alien |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 10:19 - Jul 16 by Morden |
Agree. We've got nothing like a Robson at the moment, or even a Steve McMahon. As for the comparison in fitness levels, if they had been playing today they would have been subject to today's fitness regimes. |
Your last point - precisely | |
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| Thank goodness it's over......? on 13:18 - Jul 16 with 863 views | AtThePeake |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 18:00 - Jul 15 by BigDaveMyCock |
I don’t think anybody has suggested he will not continue to score bucket loads for best of the rest Tottenham. The issue is that further up the competitive ladder you go, and the World Cup is the pinnacle, you need to have that extra bit more. If the chances aren’t coming you have to go and create them for yourself or others. Kane has confirmed in this World Cup that he is a very good finisher when we dominate against weaker opposition and that he takes a mean penalty. He has, however, confirmed that when we are not dominating he struggles to have an impact in games. As good as he was against Tunisia and Panama he was as poor against Croatia and Belgium. He was also quiet against Sweden and Columbia. |
Won't disagree with that, there are aspects of his game that he will probably have to improve on if both Spurs and England want to win the big trophies.
But I think it's harsh to place blame on Kane for us going out. The guy scored 6 goals in his first 5 World Cup games. For context, Wayne Rooney scored 1 in 11 World Cup games for England - and that was in a game we went on to lose. Kane might have only scored against weaker opposition, and three of them might have been penalties and one a deflection he knew little about, but it's more than some of the bigger stars in recent history managed in an England shirt when it came to the most important games.
Every time I have doubted the guy he has stepped up another level. Now I'm at a point where I expect him to do it once again. |  |
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| Thank goodness it's over......? on 13:20 - Jul 16 with 863 views | krafty80 |
Despite being a huge fan of Gareth Southgate, I'm broadly in the camp of those arguing that we're still miles away from tournament winning quality. Of the four teams that reached the semis, we would have been down as fourth favourites on paper and sure enough we ran out fourth in the end by a hefty margin in reality.
Many of the positive developments around the England team occurred off the park rather than on it, but that being aid there are still grounds for real optimism. We have got real quality in certain positions (goalkeeper, wing-back etc) but as long as we have only 33% of England qualified players turning out in the top flight every weekend, the chances of a glut of hugely creative, possession-tastic number 10s coming through are slim.
One definite plus is that GS isn't wedded to any big names or egos, not does it matter who you play for. Expect the likes of Lewis Cook and other youngsters to feature at every squad naming in future if they show promise.
And while people are saying it might take us six WCs to get close to winning one, you could argue that it is perfectly possible to short-cut the system and win without being great all the time -- see Greece in 2004, Portugal in 2016 etc. Some teams don't even need a striker, like France in 98. I do think you need pace though -- both going forwards and in defence, and on those grounds alone i find the criticism of Sterling bizarre. Yes he was frustrating to watch at times, but he got us up the park to an extent that most of his teammates couldn't get close enough to him. An invaluable contribution.
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| Thank goodness it's over......? on 14:06 - Jul 16 with 813 views | Shun |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 15:25 - Jul 15 by 442Dale |
There’s no dispute that he’s an excellent striker, the point above about persisting with him was for the third place match when he was clearly suffering from fatigue/injury. Totally get why he’ll always produce at club level but we’ve all been focused on this higher level now, and there’s little dispute that he’s not been enough of a threat since the opening two group games.
There’s a lot of similarities with Alan Shearer - two players who will always get 30 goals a season and score regularly at international level too. The difference right now, and it’s only an opinion, is that Shearer was a constant menace in every game, goals or not. Defenders hated playing against him. Kane needs to add that to his game. |
Agree with this. He’s an excellent finisher and a guaranteed starter for England and Spurs, rightly so. But after the first two games (v Tunisia and Panama) he was near anonymous for the rest of the tournament. It’s worth noting that after those two games Kane only had 1 shot on target for the rest of the tournament, and that was a penalty.
I like Kane and I think he’s the best English striker since Shearer but he could be so much more. His partner might also appear more effective too if Kane did more to put defenders under pressure: |  | | |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 14:09 - Jul 16 with 806 views | DaleiLama |
| Thank goodness it's over......? on 11:32 - Jul 16 by D_Alien |
Your last point - precisely |
Except for George Best. Good luck with that! | |
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