| Genuine Question 09:35 - Dec 31 with 7954 views | Jogo |
For the Ollie lovers...what will it take for you to see that the team on the pitch is going nowhere and that it's time for a change?
Had it been anyone other than Holloway in charge we'd all want the manager out.
Our loyalty is to the club rather than any individual surely? |  | | |  |
| Genuine Question on 18:03 - Dec 31 with 1845 views | davman |
| Genuine Question on 15:56 - Dec 31 by superhoopdownunder |
When are we going to start to have some pride in ourselves?
It has been downhill since Paladini, Tango and Cash and Fernandes came in
Losing every away game and accepting it
Playing crap football every week
It's not the QPR way
We need to lift our standards
(PS I accept there have been some highlights including
Warnock, Adel, 2010-11, wins vs the Scum, Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool, and the Playoff final vs Derby) |
"When are we going to start to have some pride in ourselves? "
Odd thing to say. No-one who supports QPR can be happy with the run of form over the last five or six seasons and we have seen little that we could be proud about. BUT, what options are there?
Change the manager - evidence shows this doesn't work.
Gamble by spending the Board's Millions sticking two fingers up to FFP - could bankrupt the club if (when) that strategy fails again.
Change the board - yeah, that's easy isn't it?
or...
Maybe, just maybe we have no choice but to get behind the team and hope that they stay up this season, get rid of the big earners in the summer and start building something.
It may go horribly wrong, but changing the manager will not work.
Maybe appointing a coach may help, but that would be Ollie asking for help, which a'int gonna happen.
Fingers crossed it is then... |  |
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| Genuine Question on 18:21 - Dec 31 with 1817 views | superhoopdownunder |
| Genuine Question on 18:03 - Dec 31 by davman |
"When are we going to start to have some pride in ourselves? "
Odd thing to say. No-one who supports QPR can be happy with the run of form over the last five or six seasons and we have seen little that we could be proud about. BUT, what options are there?
Change the manager - evidence shows this doesn't work.
Gamble by spending the Board's Millions sticking two fingers up to FFP - could bankrupt the club if (when) that strategy fails again.
Change the board - yeah, that's easy isn't it?
or...
Maybe, just maybe we have no choice but to get behind the team and hope that they stay up this season, get rid of the big earners in the summer and start building something.
It may go horribly wrong, but changing the manager will not work.
Maybe appointing a coach may help, but that would be Ollie asking for help, which a'int gonna happen.
Fingers crossed it is then... |
All I was asking is do we have enough pride in what we do - I don't see this with Ferdinand
Beyond this Holloway, Bircham, Fleming and Ferdinand all out of their depth with QPR and what we require to improve and not continue to decline
They all should leave our club asap |  | | |
| Genuine Question on 18:45 - Dec 31 with 1760 views | daveB |
| Genuine Question on 18:01 - Dec 31 by Jogo |
You know exactly what you are going to get with Ollie...which is absolutely nothing...more of the same dross. There are plenty of teams without a pot to p1ss in and it's not always about buying your way out of trouble. There are some managers that manage to get a tune out of bang average players. I actually think our squad is half decent for this level, it's just the manager holding them back. |
always the manager holding them back, was the same under JFH, Ramsey, Hughes and Redknapp. Funny how these wonderful players never got any better when the manager holding them back left |  | | |
| Genuine Question on 19:16 - Dec 31 with 1724 views | Match82 |
To answer the original question...
The most important thing for me wasn't the football, it was establishing a base for a future for this club. That mean three things:
Avoid relegation
Reduce wage bill
Bring in few if any players and do so smartly
He is three for three on those (and if you don't think manager has an influence on the last one I invite you to look at our recent premier league managers). So what will it take for me to want a change? For him to fail on one of those three criteria. And before anyone says we are failing the first, we aren't. We are as close to mid table than we are to the relegation zone and so teams below us who would happily swap places.
A few characters aside, I don't think there are "Ollie lovers" or "Ollie Haters", just people who have different expectations for this year and are judging him accordingly. |  | | |
| Genuine Question on 19:27 - Dec 31 with 1711 views | davman |
| Genuine Question on 18:21 - Dec 31 by superhoopdownunder |
All I was asking is do we have enough pride in what we do - I don't see this with Ferdinand
Beyond this Holloway, Bircham, Fleming and Ferdinand all out of their depth with QPR and what we require to improve and not continue to decline
They all should leave our club asap |
Still don't get what you are driving at, mate; sorry!  ...
Sir Les is trying to get us back to where we should be - a conveyor belt of lower league and youth prospects who come good. Selling one or two each season to balance the books whilst maintaining a settled nucleus.
We are not there yet, but if we do, he'll be justifiably able to look back with pride.
Ollie, Birch and Fleming are our coaching team and, aside from a couple of good wins this season, they clearly can't be proud of anything.
The point is, how do we turn it round? Sacking the entire coaching team will cost loads both in the short term (payoffs) and the long term (new staff want yet more f-ing players).
Best case scenario is that we stick with this lot and hope they come good. If not, we are gambling yet again with a pretty poor record gambling... | |
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| Genuine Question on 19:27 - Dec 31 with 1711 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Genuine Question on 18:21 - Dec 31 by superhoopdownunder |
All I was asking is do we have enough pride in what we do - I don't see this with Ferdinand
Beyond this Holloway, Bircham, Fleming and Ferdinand all out of their depth with QPR and what we require to improve and not continue to decline
They all should leave our club asap |
I can't currently think of anything worse than this suggestion. |  |
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| Genuine Question on 19:41 - Dec 31 with 1683 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Genuine Question on 18:01 - Dec 31 by Jogo |
You know exactly what you are going to get with Ollie...which is absolutely nothing...more of the same dross. There are plenty of teams without a pot to p1ss in and it's not always about buying your way out of trouble. There are some managers that manage to get a tune out of bang average players. I actually think our squad is half decent for this level, it's just the manager holding them back. |
You know, there's not much in this post that I disagree with really, but you're still missing the point.
You seem to think that if you just put another (better) manager in charge if our current squad the team will start playing better. Maybe they would, maybe we could even trim the squad and save a bit of cash by losing the likes of JET who are doing nothing for us.
But who are these good managers who want to come and work here, knowing that on average we sack a manager every year, and knowing that they won't be allowed to sign any players? Why come here when chances are there'll be a job at Brum or Sheff Weds with more cash; or a small club with no debt where getting them into the Champ at all will look good on the cv?
Hughes and Redknapp came because they knew they'd get their hands on the cash; JFH and Ramsey were completely untried at this level; Holloway took it out of nostalgia and because frankly we were his last chance. That's where we're shopping for managers these days.
We've gone from
- resigned Premier League manager (Hughes); to
- sacked PL manager (Redknapp)
- PL youth coach who'd never managed (Ramsey)
- In work League 1 manager (JFH)
- Sacked Championship manager unemployed for 18 months (Olly)
Can't you see the trend? Doesn't the sequence Dowie/Sousa/Magilton/Hart ring any bells?We're debating whether we'll choose to let Olly stay or give the job to someone else as if anyone wants the bloody job No-one bloody does.
If you can find us a Warnock, then fine. But Warnock only came because the Mittals stopped the merry-go-round. First step to getting a better manger than Holloway isn't sacking Holloway, it's not sacking Holloway (this year anyway) because good managers go to good clubs and good clubs don't sack their managers very year.
I'm not sure Olly will keeps up, I'm bloody frightened he won't, and I'm sick that all I can do is cross my fingers and hope we scrape by so that maybe next year we can start again.
But that's where we are, so stare it in the face, stop asking for miracle new managers or magic money trees. We're QPR fans God help us all so spit in the eyes of fate, go down swinging and remember you won the lottery the you first fell in love with the hoops.
PS I may have started on the NYE booze a bit early. | | | |
| Genuine Question on 19:42 - Dec 31 with 1682 views | Northernr |
| Genuine Question on 19:27 - Dec 31 by CliveWilsonSaid |
I can't currently think of anything worse than this suggestion. |
I also can't think of anybody more proud of QPR and what it helped him achieve than the council estate kid from the poor family who ended up flying fcking helicopters to work because this club took a chance on him, persevered with him, and improved him. Whatever you think of the job he's doing or has done, when you meet the guy he's impressive, driven, and fiercely proud of the place. |  | | |
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| Genuine Question on 19:42 - Dec 31 with 1682 views | T_Block |
One of the problems with message board sites is that they provided space for malcontents.Yes we all want the team to do better.If you have a spare 100 million I am no longer sure we would even get automatic promotion.
So the choice is support Penrice in rebuilding the side along the model of Bournemouth or Burnley or give up
I think you are telling us do the latter.
Do do worry if Rangers are relegated Holloway will be sacked. | | | |
| Genuine Question on 19:44 - Dec 31 with 1679 views | qprxtc |
For the Ollie lovers...what will it take for you to see that the team on the pitch is going nowhere and that it's time for a change?
Well, a bird with massive knockers slapping me senseless with them into next year would probably do it. But I'm not sure I'd see very well. |  | | |
| Genuine Question on 19:51 - Dec 31 with 1667 views | QPR_John |
| Genuine Question on 19:42 - Dec 31 by T_Block |
One of the problems with message board sites is that they provided space for malcontents.Yes we all want the team to do better.If you have a spare 100 million I am no longer sure we would even get automatic promotion.
So the choice is support Penrice in rebuilding the side along the model of Bournemouth or Burnley or give up
I think you are telling us do the latter.
Do do worry if Rangers are relegated Holloway will be sacked. |
"If you have a spare 100 million I am no longer sure we would even get automatic promotion. "
But I am sure there will be a big FFP penalty | | | |
| Genuine Question on 20:49 - Dec 31 with 1602 views | smegma |
| Genuine Question on 13:15 - Dec 31 by Northernr |
"Our loyalty is to the club rather than any individual surely?"
Exactly, which is why all this "Ollie loves" "happy clappers" "club apologists" stuff is such absolute fcking bullsht. We're all QPR fans, it's just some think we should change the manager and others don't. They're simply people with a different opinion to you, not some secret, vindictive cult that would rather get relegated as long as Holloway doesn't lose his job. |
Well said.
I don't want Ollie sacked. Not because I think he's great but because we are SKINT. It will add more financial problems. I honestly don't care where we are in the league or what league we are in. I will still be renewing my season come the summer. | | | |
| Genuine Question on 21:45 - Dec 31 with 1542 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I'm beginning to suspect this wasn't a genuine question at all! |  | | |
| Genuine Question on 22:25 - Dec 31 with 1513 views | bob566 |
Ask yourselves whose a smaller team in this league than us. Maybe brentford, Burton and millwall. We're doing OK | | | |
| Genuine Question on 10:42 - Jan 1 with 1413 views | timcocking |
I think the question should be, what would it take for people like you to realise changing the manager every six months makes no effing difference? Or certainly not a positive difference?
Whoever was in charge, i wouldn't want a change.
You want a team to improve, it's easy. Pick the same team again and again and again. [Post edited 1 Jan 2018 10:44]
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