| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) 17:38 - Nov 14 with 7477 views | VetchitBack |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 11:30 - Nov 15 with 1549 views | Dewi1jack |
Any countries that are a signatory to the Geneva Convention, have the power to arrest people who go off to fight for/ join IS as mercenaries/ unlawful combatants.
This means that people arrested have no rights under Article 4 of the Convention and as unlawful combatants are (I believe) also excluded from the Human Rights laws.
They can then be deported to whichever country wishes to try and convict them
Preferably one that has laws in place to execute such criminals.
Maybe the powers that be, need to start using such tactics.
May scare many little kiddies out of running off to join a war.
Anyone arrested on terrorism charges should be interrogated by the military, held in military prisons under military law. This applies to everyone no matter what creed/ religion etc
Countries such as ours need to stop all benefits to anyone and their immediate blood families who has committed a terrorist act or run off to become a mercenary.
Won't prevent the IRA blowing up Birmingham/ ETA blowing up trains in Spain/ attacks such as tragically unfolded in France, but may just stop or at least slow the supply line of people willing to carry out such attacks.
As has been posted, the amount of people carrying out terrorist activities is probably such a miniscule amount, that any interruption of manpower could prevent such attacks |  |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 12:15 - Nov 15 with 1527 views | GehbeHindert_Bosman |
We need a damn good clearout in this country.
The foxes are well and truly in the henhouse.
The first step, and one that's glaringly obvious to anyone withUK backbone and a modicum of intelligent thought, is to arrest, detain and interrogate all 400 tvvats who have returned from Syria. Staggering that these "people", and I use the term loosely, are still at large.
I thought the whole point of COBRA was to grant emergency and draconian powers. Well fecking use them then. |  | | |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 13:35 - Nov 15 with 1498 views | EvenThisNameIsTaken |
Islam is NOT compatible with the West. Amazingly there are still people who deny this.
All religion is bullshit - Islam however is the most primative and inherently sadistic in it's views. The indoctrination of generations of people, as well as those who are open to this type of brainwashing will only continue to expand.
Turkey has long been known to be the gateway to Europe. Turkey is also complicit in supporting ISIS - wonder why they refuse to take action against ISIS despite being within a stones throw from where civilian Kurds are being slaughtered in the name of Islam? Wonder where much of the ISIS funding originates? Wonder why Turkey refuse to take any action whatsoever unless EU gives concessions making it easier for Turkey to make changes, or even to allow unrestricted access for them within the EU.
So keep blindly accepting there are no issues here. Keep blindly saying these are simply the actions of a minority of "bad apples". Afterall, Islam teaches that we are simply Kafir' - not worthy to be equals. Sub-standard. Afterall, it's only one of the principal instructions within the Quran that it is the duty of of each and every muslim to deceive Kafir' - meaning this #notinmyname bullshit meaningless.
These are genuine concerns that should be treated seriously - not with liberal rose tinted glasses. How many more lives need to be destroyed before this is taken seriously?!? It's over-liberalism and apathy that will destroy us. And for the record, these attacks as it will be confirmed were orchastrated by some of these 'desperate' migrants escaping a warzone who just happen to be males of prime fighting age, and who seem to have forgotten they have left their kids and wives back in this very dangerous warzone.
Oh and before it's claimed the west started this, please unclog your asses by removing your head and do a little research into the subject - the Quran and indoctrinations have been around a lot longer than the West's interventions in the Middle East. This is simply used as an excuse by apologists!
Remember - Muslims aren't terrorists (apparently). It just so happens the vast attrocities, mass slaughter and terrorism occuring around the world is perpetrated by Muslims in the name of Islam. There are groups out there that have been classed as terrorist organisations for much less, and people are too afraid to say things as they are for fear if insult!! FFS - The IRA are responsible for LESS SLAUGHTER and they are terrorists! |  |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 14:15 - Nov 15 with 1464 views | Private_Partz |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 11:30 - Nov 15 by Dewi1jack |
Any countries that are a signatory to the Geneva Convention, have the power to arrest people who go off to fight for/ join IS as mercenaries/ unlawful combatants.
This means that people arrested have no rights under Article 4 of the Convention and as unlawful combatants are (I believe) also excluded from the Human Rights laws.
They can then be deported to whichever country wishes to try and convict them
Preferably one that has laws in place to execute such criminals.
Maybe the powers that be, need to start using such tactics.
May scare many little kiddies out of running off to join a war.
Anyone arrested on terrorism charges should be interrogated by the military, held in military prisons under military law. This applies to everyone no matter what creed/ religion etc
Countries such as ours need to stop all benefits to anyone and their immediate blood families who has committed a terrorist act or run off to become a mercenary.
Won't prevent the IRA blowing up Birmingham/ ETA blowing up trains in Spain/ attacks such as tragically unfolded in France, but may just stop or at least slow the supply line of people willing to carry out such attacks.
As has been posted, the amount of people carrying out terrorist activities is probably such a miniscule amount, that any interruption of manpower could prevent such attacks |
It is all about cutting if their supply be it manpower or financial so all laws that can help this objective should be taken into consideration. |  |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 14:19 - Nov 15 with 1462 views | Private_Partz |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 12:15 - Nov 15 by GehbeHindert_Bosman |
We need a damn good clearout in this country.
The foxes are well and truly in the henhouse.
The first step, and one that's glaringly obvious to anyone withUK backbone and a modicum of intelligent thought, is to arrest, detain and interrogate all 400 tvvats who have returned from Syria. Staggering that these "people", and I use the term loosely, are still at large.
I thought the whole point of COBRA was to grant emergency and draconian powers. Well fecking use them then. |
Lots of terrible things In history have started by someone deciding to have a good clear out of a minority.
I certainly agree withthe monitoring and arresting of those moving to and from war zones however. | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 14:22 - Nov 15 with 1455 views | perchrockjack |
Pretty damning quotes there..
Its hard to defend surely.
If at all | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 14:39 - Nov 15 with 1439 views | Private_Partz |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 13:35 - Nov 15 by EvenThisNameIsTaken |
Islam is NOT compatible with the West. Amazingly there are still people who deny this.
All religion is bullshit - Islam however is the most primative and inherently sadistic in it's views. The indoctrination of generations of people, as well as those who are open to this type of brainwashing will only continue to expand.
Turkey has long been known to be the gateway to Europe. Turkey is also complicit in supporting ISIS - wonder why they refuse to take action against ISIS despite being within a stones throw from where civilian Kurds are being slaughtered in the name of Islam? Wonder where much of the ISIS funding originates? Wonder why Turkey refuse to take any action whatsoever unless EU gives concessions making it easier for Turkey to make changes, or even to allow unrestricted access for them within the EU.
So keep blindly accepting there are no issues here. Keep blindly saying these are simply the actions of a minority of "bad apples". Afterall, Islam teaches that we are simply Kafir' - not worthy to be equals. Sub-standard. Afterall, it's only one of the principal instructions within the Quran that it is the duty of of each and every muslim to deceive Kafir' - meaning this #notinmyname bullshit meaningless.
These are genuine concerns that should be treated seriously - not with liberal rose tinted glasses. How many more lives need to be destroyed before this is taken seriously?!? It's over-liberalism and apathy that will destroy us. And for the record, these attacks as it will be confirmed were orchastrated by some of these 'desperate' migrants escaping a warzone who just happen to be males of prime fighting age, and who seem to have forgotten they have left their kids and wives back in this very dangerous warzone.
Oh and before it's claimed the west started this, please unclog your asses by removing your head and do a little research into the subject - the Quran and indoctrinations have been around a lot longer than the West's interventions in the Middle East. This is simply used as an excuse by apologists!
Remember - Muslims aren't terrorists (apparently). It just so happens the vast attrocities, mass slaughter and terrorism occuring around the world is perpetrated by Muslims in the name of Islam. There are groups out there that have been classed as terrorist organisations for much less, and people are too afraid to say things as they are for fear if insult!! FFS - The IRA are responsible for LESS SLAUGHTER and they are terrorists! |
Some serious cut and pasting going on there. Even the bible has similar comments within it but Christians do not practice these. Just the same as the vast majority of Muslems do not follow the Koran to the letter.
Terrorists are terrorists whatever their motives be they religious or territorial. These terrorists practice the teachings of an ancient book to the letter and carefully select the parts to suit their agenda.
Similar to what is being done above in attempt to tar all Muslems with the same brush.
Finally why do you keep suggesting that people are saying the West started this? The failed foreign policies have helped this cancer to spread by providing a vacuum for them to develope. Mistakes have been made and now I hope that something good.can come of this and we can move forward internationaly and ensure the ISIS doctrine is eradicated. | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 14:53 - Nov 15 with 1426 views | EvenThisNameIsTaken |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 14:39 - Nov 15 by Private_Partz |
Some serious cut and pasting going on there. Even the bible has similar comments within it but Christians do not practice these. Just the same as the vast majority of Muslems do not follow the Koran to the letter.
Terrorists are terrorists whatever their motives be they religious or territorial. These terrorists practice the teachings of an ancient book to the letter and carefully select the parts to suit their agenda.
Similar to what is being done above in attempt to tar all Muslems with the same brush.
Finally why do you keep suggesting that people are saying the West started this? The failed foreign policies have helped this cancer to spread by providing a vacuum for them to develope. Mistakes have been made and now I hope that something good.can come of this and we can move forward internationaly and ensure the ISIS doctrine is eradicated. |
Serious cutting and pasting? I assume you mean the images. This was done as a graphical representation to summarise the post - as you have to admit, not all people read things properly (which is what you also appear to have done).
We're not talking about christianity in this topic, which is why the post specifically referred to islam. However, the bible (specifically the old testament) is equally as bloodthirsty.
Which takes me to a this point. If a person is to take up an religion - why only pick the nice pieces to follow and disregard the rest? Fact is, these 'terrorists' are simply following their religious ideologies TO THE LETTER! These are REAL muslims. Much like witch hunter generals of old were real christians by slaughtering people claimed to be the devil's minions (witches).
So considering the above point, you are either a muslim following the FULL quran teachings, or not. There is no such thing as a 'moderate muslim'. You are, or you aren't a muslim full stop.
And you appear to have fallen into the trap of blaming the west for this. Failed foreign policies? Were these same foreign policies to blame for Boko Harem kidnapping and indoctrinating by force hundreds of schoolkids in Africa? Were these same foreign policies responsible many centuries ago when travelling around the world was less easy than it is today, meaning they were content with killing eachother in the name of islam (my islam is stronger than yours for instance)?
Please refer to the quran before you respond with your next conceited response. The Quran has ALWAYS been about expansion by force and terror! JUST READ THIS TO UNDERSTAND! Unlike the bible, the quran has not been re-written and maintains the viewpoint similar to the old testament. This is absolutely nothing to do with foreign policy!! [Post edited 15 Nov 2015 14:55]
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 15:31 - Nov 15 with 1406 views | GehbeHindert_Bosman |
Islam has tried to usurp Western Civilsation for over a millennium.
Every few hundred years it tries its luck again at conversion by the sword.
It's cyclical.
To say that all these outrages and attrocities have nothing to do with Islam is like saying The Baader Meinhoff cells weren't politically motivated. | | | |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 15:55 - Nov 15 with 1389 views | Private_Partz |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 14:53 - Nov 15 by EvenThisNameIsTaken |
Serious cutting and pasting? I assume you mean the images. This was done as a graphical representation to summarise the post - as you have to admit, not all people read things properly (which is what you also appear to have done).
We're not talking about christianity in this topic, which is why the post specifically referred to islam. However, the bible (specifically the old testament) is equally as bloodthirsty.
Which takes me to a this point. If a person is to take up an religion - why only pick the nice pieces to follow and disregard the rest? Fact is, these 'terrorists' are simply following their religious ideologies TO THE LETTER! These are REAL muslims. Much like witch hunter generals of old were real christians by slaughtering people claimed to be the devil's minions (witches).
So considering the above point, you are either a muslim following the FULL quran teachings, or not. There is no such thing as a 'moderate muslim'. You are, or you aren't a muslim full stop.
And you appear to have fallen into the trap of blaming the west for this. Failed foreign policies? Were these same foreign policies to blame for Boko Harem kidnapping and indoctrinating by force hundreds of schoolkids in Africa? Were these same foreign policies responsible many centuries ago when travelling around the world was less easy than it is today, meaning they were content with killing eachother in the name of islam (my islam is stronger than yours for instance)?
Please refer to the quran before you respond with your next conceited response. The Quran has ALWAYS been about expansion by force and terror! JUST READ THIS TO UNDERSTAND! Unlike the bible, the quran has not been re-written and maintains the viewpoint similar to the old testament. This is absolutely nothing to do with foreign policy!! [Post edited 15 Nov 2015 14:55]
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I am no defender of religion. I would prefer a world without it. You recognise the Old Testement is just as bloodthirsty. Is it? I have no idea. Are you saying that you should not be a Christian, or call your self a Christian unless you follow the blood thirsty element as well? How about Christian Lite? You can also see have your opinion that unless you follow the Koran to the letter of the law you are not a Muslem. I doubt either faction would agree with you.
I am not blaming the West. I am blaming the terrorists. Our failed foreign policies have made things worse. Surely you can see that?
African terrorism. Please let's start a different post on that one. At the moment we are talking about defeating ISiS state and its territory whilst stopping terrorism cells springing up in the countries those murderers live in.
Finally I will not refer to the Koran or the bible to see which is the nastiest. It is how people behave that is the most important. Do you honestly believe that there are brooding hoards in every mosque discussing bomb making and how to support ISIS?
We live in a brilliant multicultural society. Swansea is a fine example actually.
Btw just because someone has a different viewpoint to yours does not make them conceited. [Post edited 15 Nov 2015 16:05]
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 16:03 - Nov 15 with 1382 views | Private_Partz |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 15:31 - Nov 15 by GehbeHindert_Bosman |
Islam has tried to usurp Western Civilsation for over a millennium.
Every few hundred years it tries its luck again at conversion by the sword.
It's cyclical.
To say that all these outrages and attrocities have nothing to do with Islam is like saying The Baader Meinhoff cells weren't politically motivated. |
Who is saying it is nothing to do with Islam? They call themselves 'Fundamental Islam'. I would say it is not the fault of peace loving Muslims who represent a huge percentage of the world's population.
Btw throughout history there have been wars, because of, or in the name of religion.
My personal view is we are better off without it but us atheists are in a minority. | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:02 - Nov 15 with 1363 views | EvenThisNameIsTaken |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 15:55 - Nov 15 by Private_Partz |
I am no defender of religion. I would prefer a world without it. You recognise the Old Testement is just as bloodthirsty. Is it? I have no idea. Are you saying that you should not be a Christian, or call your self a Christian unless you follow the blood thirsty element as well? How about Christian Lite? You can also see have your opinion that unless you follow the Koran to the letter of the law you are not a Muslem. I doubt either faction would agree with you.
I am not blaming the West. I am blaming the terrorists. Our failed foreign policies have made things worse. Surely you can see that?
African terrorism. Please let's start a different post on that one. At the moment we are talking about defeating ISiS state and its territory whilst stopping terrorism cells springing up in the countries those murderers live in.
Finally I will not refer to the Koran or the bible to see which is the nastiest. It is how people behave that is the most important. Do you honestly believe that there are brooding hoards in every mosque discussing bomb making and how to support ISIS?
We live in a brilliant multicultural society. Swansea is a fine example actually.
Btw just because someone has a different viewpoint to yours does not make them conceited. [Post edited 15 Nov 2015 16:05]
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Your first question shows how little you know on the subject.
And again you have missed the point. If you want to believe in an ideology - you do not simply miss out the bits considered nasty. You believe in it fully, or you don't! Simple as that! | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:04 - Nov 15 with 1362 views | EvenThisNameIsTaken |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 16:03 - Nov 15 by Private_Partz |
Who is saying it is nothing to do with Islam? They call themselves 'Fundamental Islam'. I would say it is not the fault of peace loving Muslims who represent a huge percentage of the world's population.
Btw throughout history there have been wars, because of, or in the name of religion.
My personal view is we are better off without it but us atheists are in a minority. |
Peaceloving muslims who just so happen to believe the Quran is the message of Allah, and the Quran being one of the most bloodthirsty works of historical fiction ever written - and by a paedophile no less.
But of course, they're all peaceloving.
Back to worshipping Mein Kampf then!
And fundamental christians can be found at Westbro Baptist Church in the US. They're a pain in the ass but they've yet to kill innocent citizens on mass! [Post edited 15 Nov 2015 17:06]
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:35 - Nov 15 with 1334 views | jackonicko |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:02 - Nov 15 by EvenThisNameIsTaken |
Your first question shows how little you know on the subject.
And again you have missed the point. If you want to believe in an ideology - you do not simply miss out the bits considered nasty. You believe in it fully, or you don't! Simple as that! |
Why not? Christians do it all the time - as you acknowledge with reference to the blood thirsty elements of the Old Testament.
Except for the crazy ones like Westboro Baptist Church. Which I think proves the point. |  | | |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:45 - Nov 15 with 1329 views | EvenThisNameIsTaken |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:35 - Nov 15 by jackonicko |
Why not? Christians do it all the time - as you acknowledge with reference to the blood thirsty elements of the Old Testament.
Except for the crazy ones like Westboro Baptist Church. Which I think proves the point. |
ALL religions are ideologies. ALL stem from a medieval line of thinking. The bible however has been converted, re-written several times and changed from the old testament to a new testament. It does however stem from the same barbarity that Islam does. Virtually the EXACT same.
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13)
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9)
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)
I could go on and on.... regardless, the ideologies are virtually the same.
So why do I dislike Islam more? It's because their Quran remains the same and their teachings have not moved on to a less bloodthirsty New Quran. They remain firmly in the middle ages! Christians, whilst still deluded, do not commit suicide bombings in the name of christ. However, Islam still teaches this, and encourages this with a reward of 72 virgins when they die.
Now please stop trying to manipulate what i am saying, and instead look at things as they should be. ALL religion is 'evil disguised as good'. Islam is just worse - simple! | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:52 - Nov 15 with 1289 views | londonlisa2001 |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:04 - Nov 15 by EvenThisNameIsTaken |
Peaceloving muslims who just so happen to believe the Quran is the message of Allah, and the Quran being one of the most bloodthirsty works of historical fiction ever written - and by a paedophile no less.
But of course, they're all peaceloving.
Back to worshipping Mein Kampf then!
And fundamental christians can be found at Westbro Baptist Church in the US. They're a pain in the ass but they've yet to kill innocent citizens on mass! [Post edited 15 Nov 2015 17:06]
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I sort of can't be bothered to continue arguing with bigots, but just to get a few facts in place to speed up the process.
Firstly - you are arguing an inherent contradiction, which allows for people of a Judeo-Christian culture and background to pick and choose the bits of the Bible they do and don't follow, while attesting that all people that are culturally Moslem or describe themselves as Moslem must follow every word of the Koran without independent thought. I assume you don't realise the huge difference in practice between, as an example, Orthodox and Reform Judaism which highlights how the same religious texts can be interpreted in many different ways. Or the difference between the evangelical and anglican traditions in protestantism, let alone the differences in interpretation between Catholicism and Protestantism to start with.
Secondly, your position on Islamic teaching would have more validity if you didn't insist on cutting and pasting so comprehensively from the works of Peter Townsend, an author that not only fails to use his own name when publishing his superficial and biased crap but who has been widely discredited by any number of religious scholars not least due to the number of factual historical inaccuracies in his anti Islamic diatribes.
And finally, with regard to fundamentalist Christian terrorism, it may interest you to know that at least 8 murders, 173 arson attacks and 41 bombings have occurred in the US alone at abortion clinics, carried out by Christian terrorists. In addition, may I suggest you look a little at the history of violence and terror inflicted in the US by that most famous of protestant terror groups, the KKK.
I assume by the way that most of these acts of white Christian terrorists were immediately followed by people like Perchrock marching down the streets shouting 'not in my name'.
Edited to say - by the way - the Bible has NOT been rewritten several times and changed from the Old Testament to the New Testament. New translations emerge (as they do, by the way in other religions, including Islam) but the Old Testament as written and New Testament as written are exactly the same as they have ever been and are not the same thing. One is not an update of the other! [Post edited 15 Nov 2015 17:59]
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:55 - Nov 15 with 1287 views | exiledclaseboy |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:52 - Nov 15 by londonlisa2001 |
I sort of can't be bothered to continue arguing with bigots, but just to get a few facts in place to speed up the process.
Firstly - you are arguing an inherent contradiction, which allows for people of a Judeo-Christian culture and background to pick and choose the bits of the Bible they do and don't follow, while attesting that all people that are culturally Moslem or describe themselves as Moslem must follow every word of the Koran without independent thought. I assume you don't realise the huge difference in practice between, as an example, Orthodox and Reform Judaism which highlights how the same religious texts can be interpreted in many different ways. Or the difference between the evangelical and anglican traditions in protestantism, let alone the differences in interpretation between Catholicism and Protestantism to start with.
Secondly, your position on Islamic teaching would have more validity if you didn't insist on cutting and pasting so comprehensively from the works of Peter Townsend, an author that not only fails to use his own name when publishing his superficial and biased crap but who has been widely discredited by any number of religious scholars not least due to the number of factual historical inaccuracies in his anti Islamic diatribes.
And finally, with regard to fundamentalist Christian terrorism, it may interest you to know that at least 8 murders, 173 arson attacks and 41 bombings have occurred in the US alone at abortion clinics, carried out by Christian terrorists. In addition, may I suggest you look a little at the history of violence and terror inflicted in the US by that most famous of protestant terror groups, the KKK.
I assume by the way that most of these acts of white Christian terrorists were immediately followed by people like Perchrock marching down the streets shouting 'not in my name'.
Edited to say - by the way - the Bible has NOT been rewritten several times and changed from the Old Testament to the New Testament. New translations emerge (as they do, by the way in other religions, including Islam) but the Old Testament as written and New Testament as written are exactly the same as they have ever been and are not the same thing. One is not an update of the other! [Post edited 15 Nov 2015 17:59]
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:04 - Nov 15 with 1278 views | londonlisa2001 |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:55 - Nov 15 by exiledclaseboy |
You're now about to be bombarded with vitriol and pictures. Good luck. |
LOL.
I sort of can't be arsed to argue religion with someone who thinks the New Testament is an updated version of the Old Testament to be honest. Nor with someone whose idea of 'reading the Koran' is that he seems like he's read 'Questioning Islam' by Peter Townsend several times and now thinks he's an expert.
But I suppose that showing pics of 'Jihadi John' will somehow make the religious points more accurate. | | | |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:08 - Nov 15 with 1270 views | dgt73 |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:52 - Nov 15 by londonlisa2001 |
I sort of can't be bothered to continue arguing with bigots, but just to get a few facts in place to speed up the process.
Firstly - you are arguing an inherent contradiction, which allows for people of a Judeo-Christian culture and background to pick and choose the bits of the Bible they do and don't follow, while attesting that all people that are culturally Moslem or describe themselves as Moslem must follow every word of the Koran without independent thought. I assume you don't realise the huge difference in practice between, as an example, Orthodox and Reform Judaism which highlights how the same religious texts can be interpreted in many different ways. Or the difference between the evangelical and anglican traditions in protestantism, let alone the differences in interpretation between Catholicism and Protestantism to start with.
Secondly, your position on Islamic teaching would have more validity if you didn't insist on cutting and pasting so comprehensively from the works of Peter Townsend, an author that not only fails to use his own name when publishing his superficial and biased crap but who has been widely discredited by any number of religious scholars not least due to the number of factual historical inaccuracies in his anti Islamic diatribes.
And finally, with regard to fundamentalist Christian terrorism, it may interest you to know that at least 8 murders, 173 arson attacks and 41 bombings have occurred in the US alone at abortion clinics, carried out by Christian terrorists. In addition, may I suggest you look a little at the history of violence and terror inflicted in the US by that most famous of protestant terror groups, the KKK.
I assume by the way that most of these acts of white Christian terrorists were immediately followed by people like Perchrock marching down the streets shouting 'not in my name'.
Edited to say - by the way - the Bible has NOT been rewritten several times and changed from the Old Testament to the New Testament. New translations emerge (as they do, by the way in other religions, including Islam) but the Old Testament as written and New Testament as written are exactly the same as they have ever been and are not the same thing. One is not an update of the other! [Post edited 15 Nov 2015 17:59]
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Have the kkk or any America terrorist organisation bombed or shot anyone in the Uk or main land Europe ? |  |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:15 - Nov 15 with 1257 views | londonlisa2001 |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:08 - Nov 15 by dgt73 |
Have the kkk or any America terrorist organisation bombed or shot anyone in the Uk or main land Europe ? |
Why on earth is that relevant?
If I were you I'd spend my time reading up on Spinoza to find out why the pantheism espoused by Einstein doesn't support your argument on religion in the other thread. But that's just me. | | | |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:18 - Nov 15 with 1252 views | Highjack |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:08 - Nov 15 by dgt73 |
Have the kkk or any America terrorist organisation bombed or shot anyone in the Uk or main land Europe ? |
That lot are so fu cking stupid they probably couldn't even find Britain on a map of Britain. |  |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:19 - Nov 15 with 1252 views | dgt73 |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:15 - Nov 15 by londonlisa2001 |
Why on earth is that relevant?
If I were you I'd spend my time reading up on Spinoza to find out why the pantheism espoused by Einstein doesn't support your argument on religion in the other thread. But that's just me. |
Why is it relevant ? Because they are not attacking us like those savages who attacked Paris on Friday. [Post edited 15 Nov 2015 18:24]
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:21 - Nov 15 with 1243 views | monmouth |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:45 - Nov 15 by EvenThisNameIsTaken |
ALL religions are ideologies. ALL stem from a medieval line of thinking. The bible however has been converted, re-written several times and changed from the old testament to a new testament. It does however stem from the same barbarity that Islam does. Virtually the EXACT same.
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13)
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9)
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)
I could go on and on.... regardless, the ideologies are virtually the same.
So why do I dislike Islam more? It's because their Quran remains the same and their teachings have not moved on to a less bloodthirsty New Quran. They remain firmly in the middle ages! Christians, whilst still deluded, do not commit suicide bombings in the name of christ. However, Islam still teaches this, and encourages this with a reward of 72 virgins when they die.
Now please stop trying to manipulate what i am saying, and instead look at things as they should be. ALL religion is 'evil disguised as good'. Islam is just worse - simple! |
The old testament has been updated to the new?? LMAO.
Edit. See Lisa beat me to it. [Post edited 15 Nov 2015 18:22]
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:24 - Nov 15 with 1231 views | EvenThisNameIsTaken |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:52 - Nov 15 by londonlisa2001 |
I sort of can't be bothered to continue arguing with bigots, but just to get a few facts in place to speed up the process.
Firstly - you are arguing an inherent contradiction, which allows for people of a Judeo-Christian culture and background to pick and choose the bits of the Bible they do and don't follow, while attesting that all people that are culturally Moslem or describe themselves as Moslem must follow every word of the Koran without independent thought. I assume you don't realise the huge difference in practice between, as an example, Orthodox and Reform Judaism which highlights how the same religious texts can be interpreted in many different ways. Or the difference between the evangelical and anglican traditions in protestantism, let alone the differences in interpretation between Catholicism and Protestantism to start with.
Secondly, your position on Islamic teaching would have more validity if you didn't insist on cutting and pasting so comprehensively from the works of Peter Townsend, an author that not only fails to use his own name when publishing his superficial and biased crap but who has been widely discredited by any number of religious scholars not least due to the number of factual historical inaccuracies in his anti Islamic diatribes.
And finally, with regard to fundamentalist Christian terrorism, it may interest you to know that at least 8 murders, 173 arson attacks and 41 bombings have occurred in the US alone at abortion clinics, carried out by Christian terrorists. In addition, may I suggest you look a little at the history of violence and terror inflicted in the US by that most famous of protestant terror groups, the KKK.
I assume by the way that most of these acts of white Christian terrorists were immediately followed by people like Perchrock marching down the streets shouting 'not in my name'.
Edited to say - by the way - the Bible has NOT been rewritten several times and changed from the Old Testament to the New Testament. New translations emerge (as they do, by the way in other religions, including Islam) but the Old Testament as written and New Testament as written are exactly the same as they have ever been and are not the same thing. One is not an update of the other! [Post edited 15 Nov 2015 17:59]
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Oh good! The self righeous and completely arrogant in her belief that she is always right londonlisa has paid us a visit.
Tell me, which parts have I copy and pasted exactly (apart from the links for images)?
And you're clearly just climbing a high horse again when you mention the attacks on abortion clinics. Whilst the Quran clearly states non-believers should be separated from their heads, it doesn't say anywhere in the bible to destroy abortion clinics. Instead these are the works of unhinged idiots who do their work in the belief they are doing it for their god. Now this isn't a contradiction - as you like to claim. It's simply a fact that teachings within Islam habe yet to move on to the modern age, and still encourages death as the only thing non-believers deserve (who are also below human).
And don't get me wrong, I'm anti-christian too as I've made clear on numerous occasions here. Only at the very least the new testament doesn't teach you to slaughter en-masse.
Out of curiosity - have you ever read the Quran? Ever spent any time dealing with schools teaching the Quran? How about travelling to Abu Dhabi, Pakistan, Morocco, Turkey, Syria and other places where this is being taught to kids? I've got several members of family in the armed services and one in the UN (not a secretary or low level grunt by the way) who corroborate the claims I make. Islam isn't all you see here in the UK, as among Kafirs' it's important to remain guarded. It's fully legal within the quran to lie to non-believers until ready to commit attacks.
So you can keep your views if you want that everything is rosey. I just hope you copy and paste this thread for future use though so you can look at it in future and realise you should have taken your liberal rose tinted glasses off while you had the chance. I don't want to have to say "told you so", but didn't you also defend the mass migration to the UK, only to find the paris attacks were perpetrated by some who were "desperately getting away from a warzone by creating a new one".
And to correct you - as you are INCORRECT - the bible has been written, re-written, redacted by various popes through the centuries to back up their agendas, re-written, translated and re-written numerous times since. Don't try to claim it hasn't been as it's been done so many times it's impossible to even confirm what version we're on now! From one of the earliest versions written by Lucretius, Pliney, Herotodus, to the new testament which started at approximately 100 A.D.
With these FACTS to mind - please continue to deny truth as afterall, you like to be correct don't you! | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:24 - Nov 15 with 1231 views | londonlisa2001 |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:19 - Nov 15 by dgt73 |
Why is it relevant ? Because they are not attacking us like those savages who attacked Paris on Friday. [Post edited 15 Nov 2015 18:24]
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I don't understand your point?
Do you mean that people attacking others in France are more relevant then people attacking others in the US?
People attacking and trying to kill others who do not share their religious beliefs is surely the issue, not the country in which the attack has happened?
I'll guarantee you didn't state the same about 9/11 or the Boston bombings, largely because it wouldn't fit your agenda. | | | |
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