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BBC Left Wing Bias on 18:46 - Sep 11 by BromleyHoop
His job is to observe and report, not to be part of the News. I suggest you watch Channel 4 News, their reporting is very slewed.
How about this paragon of impartiality?
I can only think that she was trying to provoke an attack on herself, which she could then dramatically record, to discredit refugees in the same way that Howard reckoned boat people were threatening to throw their children overboard.
She trips up a bloke while he's carrying a little girl, ffs!
I can only think that she was trying to provoke an attack on herself, which she could then dramatically record, to discredit refugees in the same way that Howard reckoned boat people were threatening to throw their children overboard.
She trips up a bloke while he's carrying a little girl, ffs!
The station she worked for is affiliated with the Hungarian far right, and reportedly instructed their camera crew to avoid capturing children on film - presumably because it would make for too sympathetic a story.
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BBC Left Wing Bias on 19:15 - Sep 11 with 1784 views
Left of Miliband yes, of Foot and Kinnock no. Why would you say that he was, im genuinely interested to hear? As far as I can see he's proposing a top rate of income tax lower than under Thatcher's government (steady yourself Clive Anderson) and a corporation tax that's lower than the US. This is hardly radical stuff by any historical measure. And it's not even to the left of most people's politics I'd argue. But it looks different because of the last ten years of neoliberalism and the whole "end of history, there is no alternative" narrative.
I am thinking of his policies of pulling out of Nato , not renewing Trident , unilateral disarmament and wanting to come out of Europe .
Maybe with hindsight the same as Foot but def IMO left of Kinnock ,
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BBC Left Wing Bias on 20:39 - Sep 11 with 1715 views
If the BBC is to the left of most of the free news media then it is clearly left wing by definition.
Sorry, Clive, that's nonsense.
Left, Right and centre have to be defined by the general state of politics in the electorate as a whole. The media (free or otherwise) must be irrelevant to that definition, otherwise you are allowing them to set the parameters and taking that role away from the rest of us.
The loudest voices claiming the BBC are biased come from print media all with their own strong political agenda - in other words, from people who indeed want their section of the media to set the agenda. It's the biggest threat to British democracy IMO.
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BBC Left Wing Bias on 20:42 - Sep 11 with 1714 views
Because these people think that The Sun, The Telegraph, Sky News etc etc are 'perfectly balanced', even though they are clearly right leaning. Thus anything that doesn't provide them with solely the same skewed viewpoint they consider to be left leaning.
I don't consider the BBC to be perfectly balanced (as per Bazza's original post) but compared to the the above mentioneds it is a bastion of reason and balance. It (often) gives both sides their say.
It is rather like people's hatred of the Guardian, of course it prints more left leaning stuff but it also lets other sides have their say. George Osbourne had a piece in there the other day. Is The mail about to allow Corbyn the same?
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BBC Left Wing Bias on 21:45 - Sep 11 with 1656 views
No, there's a not so subtle difference as I pointed out Clive.
Sun, Telegraph etc etc are SOLELY right wing narratives. As I said, no Corbyn pieces in there. Whereas the BBC gives enormous amounts of airtime to the Tories. Big difference. So the Right Wing Press Imbibers see a media outlet that is not permanently expressing right wing views as Left Leaning when in fact it is allowing both sides to have their say and thus more balanced.
Having said that, the BBC is still ultimately establishment based and when someone like Corbyn comes along there will subtle and not so subtle (see Bazza's original post) attempts at misinformation and discrediting.
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BBC Left Wing Bias on 22:41 - Sep 11 with 1624 views
"If there are more right-wing than left-wing papers then that is because that is what people want to read."
Stop it, please, I think my sides are actually splitting.
Where are these hordes of left wing papers that had to close down because of lack of sales? Or maybe, just maybe, there are more right wing papers because they tend to be owned by extremely rich people. The fact that their papers tend to push an agenda that involves fixing the status quo and ensuring rich people get even richer is, of course, completely coincidental. And the fact that these same papers have waged a wearisome and never ending campaign against the BBC, and that their owners have other media interests that compete with the BBC, is again, completely coincidental.
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BBC Left Wing Bias on 22:51 - Sep 11 with 1612 views
BBC Left Wing Bias on 22:51 - Sep 11 by kensalriser
What a tiresome subject.
Essentially, if you think the BBC is biased you're a fcking tw at.
You are correct. It is tiresome and I'm gonna do my best to make sure this is the first and last time I ever get involved in a LFW political discussion
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BBC Left Wing Bias on 23:08 - Sep 11 with 1599 views
If I was the Beeb i'd be a lot less worried about the anti-establishment Corbyn and more worried about the Tories plans to chip away at them before selling the withered husk off to be 'rejuvenated' by Australia's largest ballbag
“The thing about football - the important thing about football - is that it is not just about football.â€
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BBC Left Wing Bias on 00:32 - Sep 12 with 1545 views
The fundamental point I was trying to make is that to define "left-wing" as meaning "to the left of most newspapers" is completely wrong, that just depends on whether most newspapers are left right or centre.
But moving on to the points you make, the reason there are more right wing papers than left wing ones is not the same as why or indeed whether more people read right or left wing papers - there are more rightwing papers because papers other than the Guardian are capitalist concerns, i.e. owned by capitalists with a view to making a profit. Most of them need subsidising from other income - they are a rich man's publicity machine - much as QPR is, come to that. Makes no difference if the rich man is a soft leftie like Lebvedev at the Independent.
It's fine that people are free to buy the paper they want, in fact it is essential to democracy. It's also fine if they all choose papers that are right wing or in any other way different from the ones I like - that's democracy too. It is perhaps not so OK if for generations most of the titles on choice are right of centre and people grow up on right wing propaganda, but it's a contentious point as to whether or not that has happened.
But the real threat to democracy is that the owned (not free) press has an agenda and will try to bring down governments that it doesn't like or destroy politicians they object to. It can happen to Conservatives as much as Labour, as John Major could tell you. Above all the problem is that whereas politicians of whatever colour pay a price if they screw up, the press doesn't. They can support the most total b*llocks but never pay the price - it's exactly the thing that Clive complains about with Sky making stuff up about transfer deadlines which they are never called out on when it turns out to be lies. The right wing press loved the Poll Tax, the Mail had a front page slagging off the French when they voted down the UN Resolution to invade Iraq. Did any of them apologise to Thatcher when the Poll Tax brought her down? Did the Mail admit the French were right? Like feck they did. They are willing to slag off Tony Blair for Iraq but are mighty quiet about their own complicity at the time.
“The newspapers attacking me are not newspapers in the ordinary sense. They are engines of propaganda for the constantly changing policies, desires, personal vices, personal likes and dislikes of the two men. What are their methods? Their methods are direct falsehoods, misrepresentation, half-truths, the alteration of the speaker's meaning by publishing a sentence apart from the context...What the proprietorship of these papers is aiming at is power, and power without responsibility — the prerogative of the harlot throughout the ages.” That was that well-known leftie, Stanley Baldwin, Tory Prime Minister best part of a century ago.
As to why left wingers don't find the BBC biased, as it happens the SNP find it shockingly biased and right wing, and they are the most left wing party currently in Parliament. The hard left bang on about how Nick Robinson (BBC political editor) is a Tory (he was at university,it's on the record). I'd argue (and you'll disagree!) that liberals don't find it biased because tolerance of free speech is a basic liberal value, (but not a hard left one) so they put up with it when they disagree with the Beeb.
Finally, I don't want anything to happen to the free press, I want something to happen to the readers. That they should recognise the power of men like Trevor Kavanagh and treat him the same as any other politician. Agree with him if you like, support him if you want to, but recognise that he's a politician, not a source of information.
Sorry for long and tedious post Clive, I only bother because you're a thinking bloke and you've raised a significant point. Don't expect you to agree with me!
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BBC Left Wing Bias on 00:58 - Sep 12 with 1529 views
"It is interesting that you identify the bias in the BBC when it doesn't chime with your views, but otherwise you assume it is completely balanced. "
I'm not sure if you genuinely misunderstand what I'm saying or are just deliberately misrepresenting it in an attempt to be 'right'.
Either way, no I'm not saying the BBC is biased if it disagrees with me and balanced when it doesn't. I'm saying it's balanced because it gives coverage to both sides, positive and negative. If it were 'leftie biased' it wouldn't. That makes it more balanced than the majority of the right wing press who have a far greater agenda ( see excellent posts from the selector and Cider with Rosie).
That article on 'encouraging' the new living wage made me laugh. It's pure right wing perspective. The Corbyn one is fair enough. Now go find me one in the Sun and the Mail!!
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BBC Left Wing Bias on 06:32 - Sep 12 with 1492 views
"I am thinking of his policies of pulling out of Nato , not renewing Trident , unilateral disarmament and wanting to come out of Europe .
Maybe with hindsight the same as Foot but def IMO left of Kinnock ,"
Doe anyone on here REALLY believe that this country should renew Trident? Surely you have to be slightly to the right of atilla the hun to think its a good idea to spent 100Bn plus on weapons we will almost certainly never deploy when this country is crying out for more and better housing, education, transport and health facilities, not to mention better armoured military vehicles, conventional weapons we WILL use and aftercare for those that have served out country
Really?
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BBC Left Wing Bias on 11:05 - Sep 12 with 1130 views
"I am thinking of his policies of pulling out of Nato , not renewing Trident , unilateral disarmament and wanting to come out of Europe .
Maybe with hindsight the same as Foot but def IMO left of Kinnock ,"
Doe anyone on here REALLY believe that this country should renew Trident? Surely you have to be slightly to the right of atilla the hun to think its a good idea to spent 100Bn plus on weapons we will almost certainly never deploy when this country is crying out for more and better housing, education, transport and health facilities, not to mention better armoured military vehicles, conventional weapons we WILL use and aftercare for those that have served out country
Really?
Trident is a must at this time.You want to make savings?Get rid of foreign aid.
"I am thinking of his policies of pulling out of Nato , not renewing Trident , unilateral disarmament and wanting to come out of Europe .
Maybe with hindsight the same as Foot but def IMO left of Kinnock ,"
Doe anyone on here REALLY believe that this country should renew Trident? Surely you have to be slightly to the right of atilla the hun to think its a good idea to spent 100Bn plus on weapons we will almost certainly never deploy when this country is crying out for more and better housing, education, transport and health facilities, not to mention better armoured military vehicles, conventional weapons we WILL use and aftercare for those that have served out country
Really?
You know what a love letter is?
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BBC Left Wing Bias on 11:07 - Sep 12 with 1116 views
And can you imagine France (which is virtually owned by Germany)having nukes and Britain doesn't?You don't drop your pants when a bully wants to kick your arse. As Henning Wehn said "third time lucky".
We have nukes, we can still have nukes we can still retain the ability to kick the crap out of anyone our size or smaller than us without Trident. intercontinental ballistic missiles delivered from Submarine platforms are almost obsolete and will almost certainly be completely redundant by the time our new Trident system becomes operational
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