| The Bible and Christianity nailed 19:32 - Jul 11 with 22049 views | epaul |
Brilliant account
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| The hair and the beard have gone I am now conforming to society, tis a sad day
The b*stards are coming back though |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 09:55 - Jul 17 with 1109 views | Drizzle |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 09:53 - Jul 17 by JackoBoostardo |
For a man I thought had a level of intellect about him, your response is both condescending AND ridiculous at the same time!
Super! Go Davillin!
Anyway - this is totally winnable! All you have to do is open your eyes and look at the facts... if you wish to do so that is! You see, science and the search for truths and new discoveries is an ongoing trait for humanity. It's completely natural! What isn't natural is the voluntary limitation of knowledge, free thinking and independence that the "almighty" provided right?
And talking about Zeus, where is he these days? He was popular back in the day wasn't he? When people stopped worshipping him, nothing bad happened to the world. Yet, did he go to a retirement home for outdated gods?
And Christopher Hitchens quote just happened to be part of the image which showed the heads of church 'mixing it up' with some of the most evil people in history. Didn't really provide an answer to that though did you. And not liking Christopher Hitchens make the image and quote any less valid?
So, I assume you are in someway religious by your vigorous attempt at defending Dripple? Manking did indeed invent religion - thousands of years ago when reasoning was more difficult to come by as a result of education and knowledge. Religion does NOT provide a moral code - you assume morals is exclusively a human trait, when we have also seen acts of heroism and kindness from the animal kingdom too. Being religious does not make you a moral person either - far from it in fact as you have happy to worship a mass murdering entity and as it for guidance?!
It's easy for the religious to claim the argument isn't winnable as the "those pesky atheist brutes won't listen to us or accept our bullshit" and walk away, claiming to have won on the higher ground. It's never easy to accept and admit you're wrong though is it!
Dav.. You have come here to partake in a discussion on the topic - this is a conscious decision you have made. I can provide factual evidence all day long to back up my arguments. The question is, can you? |
Factual evidence from google. ROFL. |  | | |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 09:57 - Jul 17 with 1106 views | Drizzle |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 09:39 - Jul 17 by JackoBoostardo |
Ah.. ready for round two are we?
okay!
You may want to look back through to an earlier thread where I commented on Hitler. To claim he wasn't religious is a common error, and you fell into the hole totally. You see, Hitler, whilst and Catholocism and church establishment, regularly used the term 'Almighty Creator' in his speeches! It's a fact, check it out!
So whilst he may have been anti-church to many, he still practiced his faith. Still don't believe me?
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
So again you've made a factual error with your claims.
Thanks for also mentioning that Dahmer was an atheist, along with Stalin and Pol Pot. I would urge you to go on though - as you'd struggle to find any other names. Should also mention that again you are incorrect - you see, Dahmer insisted on being re-baptised after his arrest. You could also argue he was the victim of religion - as a result of his strict religious upbringing conflicting with his sense of homosexuality.
Stalin is regularly brought up by religious debaters who have nothing else to add to their argument. However, your claim that he was an atheist is also inaccurate. He wanted full control over the people, and sought to remove the church in order to do this. There is absolutely nothing to suggest he was an atheist, and instead he was a power hungry madman. Indeed, Stalin did not kill countless people in the name of atheism either - so where are you getting this information? Here's a clue - from the collective asses of the religious community!
Josef Stalin’s “very religious” mother named him after St. Joseph, and wanted him to become a priest. Stalin himself supposedly claimed that his father had been a priest, and he was purportedly “damaged by violence” while being “raised in a poor priest-ridden household.” As a youth, Stalin spent five years in a Greek Orthodox seminary, after which he purportedly renounced his religion. In his later years, Stalin apparently embraced Christianity once more. As Stalin biographer Edvard Radinsky remarks, “During his mysterious retreat [of June 1941] the ex-seminarist had decided to involve the aid of the God he had rejected.” Radinsky likewise chronicles a number of religious comrades in Stalin’s immediate circle. It is evident that, whether for good or bad, religion played a significant role in Stalin’s life. Again, if not strictly religious, it is clear that religion played a very important role in the decisions made later in life.
And as for Pol Pot, well, if you were to check the archives of Pol Pots writings, you will see he regularly refers to "the Great Buddha" . Atheist? Certainly not!
So that's yet another counter argument you've failed on (sorry to break it to you).
Now what about the names of people who have committed attrocities and mass murder in the name of their religion? The list is huge! You could arguably count the mythical god too if you believe the Bible, afterall he slaughtered the entire planet through drowning, killed the (innocent) first born of all egyptians and continues to toy with peoples lives to this day!
So, with all things concluded you have not counter argument. But if you do want to embarrass yourself further then you know where to come! |
You also just referred to buddha.That doesnt make you a buddhist. tee hee. [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 9:57]
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 09:57 - Jul 17 with 1101 views | JackoBoostardo |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 09:55 - Jul 17 by Drizzle |
Factual evidence from google. ROFL. |
No. I learned my facts long ago and continue to study at times when I have the time.... Do you? Clearly not as this is all you can come up with...
Where's YOUR factual evidence from??? .... "ROFL"
And if you know where to look, what's wrong with Google? It's not all porn and weird fetish sites you know! (or maybe you don't).
If you're going to come back with something - make it less embarrassing for yourself. [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 10:10]
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 10:00 - Jul 17 with 1099 views | Drizzle |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 09:57 - Jul 17 by JackoBoostardo |
No. I learned my facts long ago and continue to study at times when I have the time.... Do you? Clearly not as this is all you can come up with...
Where's YOUR factual evidence from??? .... "ROFL"
And if you know where to look, what's wrong with Google? It's not all porn and weird fetish sites you know! (or maybe you don't).
If you're going to come back with something - make it less embarrassing for yourself. [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 10:10]
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I'm not embarrassed at all. I am, however, wetting myself as you try harder and harder to sound like you know what you are talking about. ( by the way, there is no god in buddhism so technically you can be religious and atheist at the same time.) [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 10:07]
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 10:08 - Jul 17 with 1086 views | JackoBoostardo |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 10:00 - Jul 17 by Drizzle |
I'm not embarrassed at all. I am, however, wetting myself as you try harder and harder to sound like you know what you are talking about. ( by the way, there is no god in buddhism so technically you can be religious and atheist at the same time.) [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 10:07]
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Yet you are the one producing statements riddled with factual errors.
And again you provide no actual answers. Only claims that I do not know the subject matter I am commenting on.
(Here's a tip for you, I actually DO know what I'm talking about - hence why I feel strongly on the subject).
So unless you have anything further to add (of value), then you may want to just hide out until this blows over and some may forget about how hard you've failed. At least Davillin loves you though - which is nice. | |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 10:16 - Jul 17 with 1077 views | Drizzle |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 10:08 - Jul 17 by JackoBoostardo |
Yet you are the one producing statements riddled with factual errors.
And again you provide no actual answers. Only claims that I do not know the subject matter I am commenting on.
(Here's a tip for you, I actually DO know what I'm talking about - hence why I feel strongly on the subject).
So unless you have anything further to add (of value), then you may want to just hide out until this blows over and some may forget about how hard you've failed. At least Davillin loves you though - which is nice. |
I'm not trying to provide answers. I don't care what you think. I'm just having a bit of fun watching you jump through hoops trying to prove an untrue statement as the truth. Its like watching a car-crash. I just cant seem to look away though. [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 10:19]
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 10:19 - Jul 17 with 1068 views | JackoBoostardo |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 10:16 - Jul 17 by Drizzle |
I'm not trying to provide answers. I don't care what you think. I'm just having a bit of fun watching you jump through hoops trying to prove an untrue statement as the truth. Its like watching a car-crash. I just cant seem to look away though. [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 10:19]
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You're just embarrassing yourself. You've already been shown to be wrong on a number of occasions. Now you have nothing further to add - you claim this was all a game?
Yeah right! Is that 'another fact' now?
Not trying to provide answers, yet providing many answers (that just happen to be all wrong). And you say I'm jumping through hoops? | |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 10:23 - Jul 17 with 1066 views | Drizzle |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 10:19 - Jul 17 by JackoBoostardo |
You're just embarrassing yourself. You've already been shown to be wrong on a number of occasions. Now you have nothing further to add - you claim this was all a game?
Yeah right! Is that 'another fact' now?
Not trying to provide answers, yet providing many answers (that just happen to be all wrong). And you say I'm jumping through hoops? |
What am I wrong about? | | | |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 10:25 - Jul 17 with 1060 views | JackoBoostardo |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 10:23 - Jul 17 by Drizzle |
What am I wrong about? |
Do I need to remind you? Have you suddenly lost your ability to re-read your posts too?
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 10:28 - Jul 17 with 1061 views | Drizzle |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 10:25 - Jul 17 by JackoBoostardo |
Do I need to remind you? Have you suddenly lost your ability to re-read your posts too?
wow. |
Lets get to the nitty gritty. What have I said that is wrong?
Religion is a man made concept. Man is fallible, therefore religion is fallible.
There you go that's my argument.
Have fun. [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 10:29]
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 10:40 - Jul 17 with 1053 views | JackoBoostardo |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 10:28 - Jul 17 by Drizzle |
Lets get to the nitty gritty. What have I said that is wrong?
Religion is a man made concept. Man is fallible, therefore religion is fallible.
There you go that's my argument.
Have fun. [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 10:29]
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Oh I don't know....
How about your claims about the religious beliefs of 4 billion people? Or how about the great faux-pas regarding Hitler being an atheist? Or how about all your other posts where you claim the information contained therein is 'fact', followed by backtracking when proven wrong.
But according to your earlier statement - t'was all a game was it not? To make me jump through hoops right?
Does anyone here want to back you up at all?........ | |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:15 - Jul 17 with 1043 views | Drizzle |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 10:40 - Jul 17 by JackoBoostardo |
Oh I don't know....
How about your claims about the religious beliefs of 4 billion people? Or how about the great faux-pas regarding Hitler being an atheist? Or how about all your other posts where you claim the information contained therein is 'fact', followed by backtracking when proven wrong.
But according to your earlier statement - t'was all a game was it not? To make me jump through hoops right?
Does anyone here want to back you up at all?........ |
Religion is a man made concept. Man is fallible, therefore religion is fallible.
Please show me where I'm wrong.
[I didn't say Hitler was an atheist I said he hated religion (for the second time)] [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 11:17]
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:26 - Jul 17 with 1024 views | jackb |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 10:28 - Jul 17 by Drizzle |
Lets get to the nitty gritty. What have I said that is wrong?
Religion is a man made concept. Man is fallible, therefore religion is fallible.
There you go that's my argument.
Have fun. [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 10:29]
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so, religion is man-made. So you accept that none of it is true, all made up, a figment of a fevered imagination, gobbledygook, stories, fables, myth, basically grounded in nothing but misunderstanding, fear and confusion?? |  | | |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:29 - Jul 17 with 1022 views | Drizzle |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:26 - Jul 17 by jackb |
so, religion is man-made. So you accept that none of it is true, all made up, a figment of a fevered imagination, gobbledygook, stories, fables, myth, basically grounded in nothing but misunderstanding, fear and confusion?? |
Unless you are suggesting god did it?
Are all things made by man as you describe? Or just the things YOU hate. Its not binary. Faith is grounded in love in my experience. [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 11:32]
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:45 - Jul 17 with 993 views | JackoBoostardo |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:29 - Jul 17 by Drizzle |
Unless you are suggesting god did it?
Are all things made by man as you describe? Or just the things YOU hate. Its not binary. Faith is grounded in love in my experience. [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 11:32]
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Faith is a misconception. A fallacy. It is a belief that it is something will occur as a result of diving intervention, and if it does not then it too is divine intervention. Faith is grounded in lies and deception - the ultimate promise of a reward, with no assurances attached. A life wasted in the service of a fictitious deity.
Faith should be in other people - real people. And grounded in love? If love was involved, would it revolve around lies and false promises?
And do I need to again point out to you your error by claiming "hitler hated religion" when he clearly did not. You may want to read his memoirs - even if out of just curiosity. It is interesting. | |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:47 - Jul 17 with 992 views | C_jack |
Professor : You are a Christian, aren't you, son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, you Believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD Good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor : Is GOD ALL - POWERFUL ?
Student : Yes.
Professor : My Brother died of Cancer even though he Prayed to GOD to Heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn't. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?
(Student was silent )
Professor : You can't answer, can you ? Let's start again, Young Fella. Is GOD Good?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Is Satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor : Where does Satan come from ?
Student : From . . . GOD . . .
Professor : That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this World?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Evil is everywhere, isn't it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Professor : So who created evil ?
(Student did not answer)
Professor : Is there Sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the World, don't they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, who Created them ?
(Student had no answer)
Professor : Science says you have 5 Senses you use to Identify and Observe the World around you. Tell me, son . . . Have you ever Seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor : Tell us if you have ever Heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor : Have you ever Felt your GOD, Tasted your GOD, Smelt your GOD?
Have you ever had any Sensory Perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Professor : Yet you still Believe in HIM?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my Faith.
Professor : Yes, Faith. And that is the Problem Science has.
(Here, the student begins to shoot back the professor.)
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as Heat?
Professor : Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as Cold?
Professor : Yes.
Student : No, sir. There isn't.
(The Lecture Theatre became very quiet with this turn of events )
Student : Sir, you can have Lots of Heat, even More Heat, Superheat, Mega Heat, White Heat a Little Heat or No Heat. But we don't have anything called Cold.
We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is No Heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as Cold. Cold is only a Word we use to describe the Absence of Heat. We cannot Measure Cold. Heat is Energy. Cold is Not the Opposite of Heat, sir, just the Absence of it.
(There was Pin-Drop Silence in the Lecture Theatre )
Student : What about Darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as Darkness?
Professor : Yes. What is Night if there isn't Darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the Absence of Something
You can have Low Light, Normal Light, Bright Light, Flashing Light . . .
But if you have No Light constantly, you have nothing and its called Darkness, isn't it? In reality, Darkness isn't. If it is, were you would be able to make Darkness Darker, wouldn't you?
Professor : So what is the point you are making, Young Man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your Philosophical Premise is flawed.
Professor : Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality.
You argue there is Life and then there is Death, a Good GOD and a Bad GOD.
You are viewing the Concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can't even explain a Thought. It uses Electricity and Magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.
To view Death as the Opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that Death cannot
exist as a Substantive Thing. Death is Not the Opposite of Life: just the Absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your Students that they evolved from a Monkey?
Professor : If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shook his head with a Smile, beginning to realize where the Argument was going )
Student : Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and Cannot even prove that this Process is an On-Going Endeavor, Are you not teaching your Opinion, sir? Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher?
(The Class was in Uproar )
Student : Is there anyone in the Class who has ever seen the Professor's Brain?
(The Class broke out into Laughter )
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's Brain, Felt it, touched or Smelt it? . . . No one appears to have done so. So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that You have No Brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then Trust your Lectures, sir?
(The Room was Silent. The Professor stared at the Student, his face unfathomable)
Professor : I guess you'll have to take them on Faith, son.
Student : That is it sir . . . Exactly ! The Link between Man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that Keeps Things Alive and Moving [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 12:03]
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Professor : You are a Christian, aren't you, son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, you Believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD Good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor : Is GOD ALL - POWERFUL ?
Student : Yes.
Professor : My Brother died of Cancer even though he Prayed to GOD to Heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn't. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?
(Student was silent )
Professor : You can't answer, can you ? Let's start again, Young Fella. Is GOD Good?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Is Satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor : Where does Satan come from ?
Student : From . . . GOD . . .
Professor : That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this World?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Evil is everywhere, isn't it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Professor : So who created evil ?
(Student did not answer)
Professor : Is there Sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the World, don't they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, who Created them ?
(Student had no answer)
Professor : Science says you have 5 Senses you use to Identify and Observe the World around you. Tell me, son . . . Have you ever Seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor : Tell us if you have ever Heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor : Have you ever Felt your GOD, Tasted your GOD, Smelt your GOD?
Have you ever had any Sensory Perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Professor : Yet you still Believe in HIM?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my Faith.
Professor : Yes, Faith. And that is the Problem Science has.
(Here, the student begins to shoot back the professor.)
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as Heat?
Professor : Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as Cold?
Professor : Yes.
Student : No, sir. There isn't.
(The Lecture Theatre became very quiet with this turn of events )
Student : Sir, you can have Lots of Heat, even More Heat, Superheat, Mega Heat, White Heat a Little Heat or No Heat. But we don't have anything called Cold.
We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is No Heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as Cold. Cold is only a Word we use to describe the Absence of Heat. We cannot Measure Cold. Heat is Energy. Cold is Not the Opposite of Heat, sir, just the Absence of it.
(There was Pin-Drop Silence in the Lecture Theatre )
Student : What about Darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as Darkness?
Professor : Yes. What is Night if there isn't Darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the Absence of Something
You can have Low Light, Normal Light, Bright Light, Flashing Light . . .
But if you have No Light constantly, you have nothing and its called Darkness, isn't it? In reality, Darkness isn't. If it is, were you would be able to make Darkness Darker, wouldn't you?
Professor : So what is the point you are making, Young Man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your Philosophical Premise is flawed.
Professor : Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality.
You argue there is Life and then there is Death, a Good GOD and a Bad GOD.
You are viewing the Concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can't even explain a Thought. It uses Electricity and Magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.
To view Death as the Opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that Death cannot
exist as a Substantive Thing. Death is Not the Opposite of Life: just the Absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your Students that they evolved from a Monkey?
Professor : If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shook his head with a Smile, beginning to realize where the Argument was going )
Student : Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and Cannot even prove that this Process is an On-Going Endeavor, Are you not teaching your Opinion, sir? Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher?
(The Class was in Uproar )
Student : Is there anyone in the Class who has ever seen the Professor's Brain?
(The Class broke out into Laughter )
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's Brain, Felt it, touched or Smelt it? . . . No one appears to have done so. So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that You have No Brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then Trust your Lectures, sir?
(The Room was Silent. The Professor stared at the Student, his face unfathomable)
Professor : I guess you'll have to take them on Faith, son.
Student : That is it sir . . . Exactly ! The Link between Man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that Keeps Things Alive and Moving [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 12:03]
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FFS - It's a made up story you div! Been doing the rounds for ages.
http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp
If the religious cannot win an argument, they will simply make up a story to make their views sound credible!
Want further proof? Why not read a letter by Albert Einstein here:
http://www.lettersofnote.com/2009/10/word-god-is-product-of-human-weakness.html
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Dear Mr Gutkind,
Inspired by Brouwer's repeated suggestion, I read a great deal in your book, and thank you very much for lending it to me. What struck me was this: with regard to the factual attitude to life and to the human community we have a great deal in common. Your personal ideal with its striving for freedom from ego-oriented desires, for making life beautiful and noble, with an emphasis on the purely human element. This unites us as having an "unAmerican attitude."
Still, without Brouwer's suggestion I would never have gotten myself to engage intensively with your book because it is written in a language inaccessible to me. The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can change this for me. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstition. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong, and whose thinking I have a deep affinity for, have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything "chosen" about them.
In general I find it painful that you claim a privileged position and try to defend it by two walls of pride, an external one as a man and an internal one as a Jew. As a man you claim, so to speak, a dispensation from causality otherwise accepted, as a Jew the privilege of monotheism. But a limited causality is no longer a causality at all, as our wonderful Spinoza recognized with all incision, probably as the first one. And the animistic interpretations of the religions of nature are in principle not annulled by monopolization. With such walls we can only attain a certain self-deception, but our moral efforts are not furthered by them. On the contrary.
Now that I have quite openly stated our differences in intellectual convictions it is still clear to me that we are quite close to each other in essential things, i.e; in our evaluations of human behavior. What separates us are only intellectual "props" and "rationalization" in Freud's language. Therefore I think that we would understand each other quite well if we talked about concrete things.
With friendly thanks and best wishes,
Yours,
A. Einstein [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 11:59]
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:57 - Jul 17 with 986 views | Drizzle |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:45 - Jul 17 by JackoBoostardo |
Faith is a misconception. A fallacy. It is a belief that it is something will occur as a result of diving intervention, and if it does not then it too is divine intervention. Faith is grounded in lies and deception - the ultimate promise of a reward, with no assurances attached. A life wasted in the service of a fictitious deity.
Faith should be in other people - real people. And grounded in love? If love was involved, would it revolve around lies and false promises?
And do I need to again point out to you your error by claiming "hitler hated religion" when he clearly did not. You may want to read his memoirs - even if out of just curiosity. It is interesting. |
So you are saying love is also a fallacy? Faith is real if someone has it. You cant deny anothers faith, Its not in your power. [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 11:58]
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:58 - Jul 17 with 985 views | C_jack |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:55 - Jul 17 by JackoBoostardo |
FFS - It's a made up story you div! Been doing the rounds for ages.
http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp
If the religious cannot win an argument, they will simply make up a story to make their views sound credible!
Want further proof? Why not read a letter by Albert Einstein here:
http://www.lettersofnote.com/2009/10/word-god-is-product-of-human-weakness.html
Quote:
Dear Mr Gutkind,
Inspired by Brouwer's repeated suggestion, I read a great deal in your book, and thank you very much for lending it to me. What struck me was this: with regard to the factual attitude to life and to the human community we have a great deal in common. Your personal ideal with its striving for freedom from ego-oriented desires, for making life beautiful and noble, with an emphasis on the purely human element. This unites us as having an "unAmerican attitude."
Still, without Brouwer's suggestion I would never have gotten myself to engage intensively with your book because it is written in a language inaccessible to me. The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can change this for me. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstition. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong, and whose thinking I have a deep affinity for, have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything "chosen" about them.
In general I find it painful that you claim a privileged position and try to defend it by two walls of pride, an external one as a man and an internal one as a Jew. As a man you claim, so to speak, a dispensation from causality otherwise accepted, as a Jew the privilege of monotheism. But a limited causality is no longer a causality at all, as our wonderful Spinoza recognized with all incision, probably as the first one. And the animistic interpretations of the religions of nature are in principle not annulled by monopolization. With such walls we can only attain a certain self-deception, but our moral efforts are not furthered by them. On the contrary.
Now that I have quite openly stated our differences in intellectual convictions it is still clear to me that we are quite close to each other in essential things, i.e; in our evaluations of human behavior. What separates us are only intellectual "props" and "rationalization" in Freud's language. Therefore I think that we would understand each other quite well if we talked about concrete things.
With friendly thanks and best wishes,
Yours,
A. Einstein [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 11:59]
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Shut up you tart. It's an interesting anecdote to the 'all religion is bad' tunnel minded approach. Nobody said it was anything different.
It's not the one I wanted to post either, will edit it. [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 11:58]
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 12:06 - Jul 17 with 964 views | Drizzle |
God is love. It says that somewhere in the bible I think. If that idea gets someone through the day, why on earth would that bother someone they never met? | | | |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 12:08 - Jul 17 with 957 views | JackoBoostardo |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 11:57 - Jul 17 by Drizzle |
So you are saying love is also a fallacy? Faith is real if someone has it. You cant deny anothers faith, Its not in your power. [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 11:58]
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Twisting words to better you argument again I see.
I think I made myself clear. However, to accommodate your lack of understanding, I shall clarify my point.
Faith is a mythical entity to solve all of your problems = Bullshit
Faith in family, friends and others = Good
Love in a mythical entity = Bullshit
Love in family, friends and others = Good
Belief in a mythical entity, and living a life according to rules written by man for the benefit of the aformentioned entity = Bullshit
Belief in yourself, family, friends and others, where there are no rules other than what is driven by your natural abilities = Good
Is this clearer now? | |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 12:10 - Jul 17 with 955 views | JackoBoostardo |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 12:06 - Jul 17 by Drizzle |
God is love. It says that somewhere in the bible I think. If that idea gets someone through the day, why on earth would that bother someone they never met? |
He's also a mass murderer, a pro-rapist, pro-domestic violence and pro-child abuse too!
How about worshipping someone else who's got a book out? How about Jeffrey Dahmer?! | |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 12:11 - Jul 17 with 955 views | Drizzle |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 12:10 - Jul 17 by JackoBoostardo |
He's also a mass murderer, a pro-rapist, pro-domestic violence and pro-child abuse too!
How about worshipping someone else who's got a book out? How about Jeffrey Dahmer?! |
'HE' doesn't exist remember? God is just an idea. You just personified an idea. Are you sure you are an atheist? [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 12:13]
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 12:17 - Jul 17 with 945 views | JackoBoostardo |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 12:11 - Jul 17 by Drizzle |
'HE' doesn't exist remember? God is just an idea. You just personified an idea. Are you sure you are an atheist? [Post edited 17 Jul 2014 12:13]
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Wow... you're incredibly witty!
If you want to claim "God is love", then I'm sure the god Jeffrey Dahmer would 'love you' too! Oh, he's real alright! He has as much evidence to support his existence as a god as all other gods of course!
And what about God being a 'vengeful' god, full of scorn. And if he/she/it loves so much, why kill so often? No answer to back up your claim? | |
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| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 12:26 - Jul 17 with 929 views | C_jack |
| The Bible and Christianity nailed on 12:17 - Jul 17 by JackoBoostardo |
Wow... you're incredibly witty!
If you want to claim "God is love", then I'm sure the god Jeffrey Dahmer would 'love you' too! Oh, he's real alright! He has as much evidence to support his existence as a god as all other gods of course!
And what about God being a 'vengeful' god, full of scorn. And if he/she/it loves so much, why kill so often? No answer to back up your claim? |
It's no surprise 8 pages of this thread are littered with you stomping your feet, and twisting your knickers whenever someone has the nerve to disagree with you.
Have you managed to get around the fact that North Korea is an atheist state yet? that sent you flouncing into the yonder last time | |
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