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McLean suspended for 4 matches
at 16:38 12 Dec 2024

The idea that McLean deliberately set out to do him, rather than (unintentionally) catching him.

Which is only a neutral's pov to support the point being made by a few other QPR fans on here.
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McLean suspended for 4 matches
at 16:31 12 Dec 2024

If that's directed at me, you'll note that I agree it deserved a red card. But my point was that by using his arm the way he did, it was more reckless than had he used his elbow, which would have been malicious.

But both get red carded these days, so McLean can't complain imo.
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McLean suspended for 4 matches
at 15:29 12 Dec 2024

My view isn't really very different from that eg of QPR fans RBlock, Blue Castello and The Chef (page 2), so why don't you play the ball, rather than the man?

After all, that was McLean's offence.
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McLean suspended for 4 matches
at 15:22 12 Dec 2024

"Irrelevant"?

If you were trying eg to force open a jammed door, would you keep your arms straight while hitting it with your elbow, or bend your arm to concentrate the impact at the point of contact i.e. elbow itself?

As I say, it seemed more to me like an attempt to ward off a challenge which went wrong, than a deliberate attempt to stick one on him.

But if you see it differently, then fair enough.

Anyhow, to show how the game has changed over the years, this assault by Ben Thatcher on Pedro Mendes was seen by the ref and only received a yellow card!
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McLean suspended for 4 matches
at 14:41 12 Dec 2024

I've just looked at it again and I'm afraid I see it differently.

If you want to elbow ("smash") someone, then you bend your elbow. Whereas he kept his arm straight i.e. to ward him off.

As for "clothes lining"? Really? Sorry, but it was nothing like that, eg:
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/rugby-league/9724163/shocking-cloth

While I genuinely don't think there was enough force, either in McLean's action, or Morgan's approach run, to see Morgan react as if poleaxed.

But as I said, the way the rules work these days, had the ref seen it, it would have been a red card, so whatever you think about the length of the ban etc, McLean/Norwich can have no complaints about being caught out.
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McLean suspended for 4 matches
at 12:41 11 Dec 2024

Looking at it from my pov, I accept that these things incur a red card these days, and if McLean has "previous", then that would explain the ban being for 4 games.

That said, I genuinely don't think he was attempting to "take out" the QPR player, rather as 'RBlock' says, it was much more likely a simple attempt to ward off the run.

While I absolutely hate it when a player goes down as if poleaxed, when contact has been minimal, as looks to have been the case here. This is made worse when a player clutches his face after having been hit somewhere else on the body, in the knowledge that any contact to the head will automatically receive a red card if seen by the ref. For this is not just cheating an opponent, but also the ref and the spirit of the game generally. (Btw, I say that when it's a Bees player, too, since it's a blight on the whole game)

Finally, I don't see the relevance in this case of the QPR player being a youngster, since I doubt very much whether McLean even knew who it was he was blocking, never mind that it was a kid.
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Mothers Milk
at 23:36 5 Dec 2024

"The Doctors Dilemma was situated in the Metropolitan Arcade on Hammersmith Broadway. This pub closed in the 1980s and later became El Metro, which has also closed."
https://www.closedpubs.co.uk/london/w6_hammersmith_doctorsdilemma.html

And yes, it was v.small - a room basically (though not what you might call "roomy")

While El Metro was, I think, an early Pub/Tapas Bar - served appropriately small plates I imagine.
Google shows this from 2010:
"El Metro II (that's a Roman 'two', not a double 'L', and number I is in Fulham) has been going since 1988 when it replaced a pub called the Doctor's Dilemma, and is literally a couple of metres from the ticket barrier at Hammersmith Metropolitan Line station. It is sometimes billed as a Spanish restaurant but it's really more a Spanish theme pub with Spanish beer, tapas, and used to have lambada dancing on a Friday night."
https://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/35/35952/El_Metro_ll/Hammersmith


After it closed, it might have become a hair salon? Anyway, I assume the unit still exists -probably a heel bar/key cutter or somesuch .
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Mothers Milk
at 14:53 5 Dec 2024

On the subject of Guinness marketing, I've just chanced upon this gallery of their TV adverts:
https://guinness.access.preservica.com/uncategorized/SO_f6dfc63b-2d59-4f68-ae93-

There are some absolute crackers there - I loved the "Guinness History of the Cinema", while "The Bricklayer" drinking a bottle from a goblet was an unusual take.

As for "The Army Game", the voices were an obvious rip-off of the Goons characters.
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Mothers Milk
at 14:27 5 Dec 2024

I once knew one old boy (Irish) who only ever drank his Guinness from bottles. Used to call a pint bottle a "sergeant", for some unknown reason, which I think my be be a term used in the north of Ireland, where he was from?

Anyhow, I'd bet that this current Xmas scare story is a just a (no cost) ruse to keep Guinness in the headlines.

As somebody said earlier, their promotion/marketing is excellent.

P.S. Does anyone remember "The Doctor's Dilemma" pub in Hammersmith Tube Station (H&C Line entrance)? I was in there once and a more dank and dingy hole you couldn't find anywhere, even by Hammersmith's then pre-gentrified standards.
Anyhow, it was during a weekday and there were only 4 or 5 punters in, all Irish I'd guess. Thing is, iirc they only had five(?) beer taps - something like four serving Guinness and the fifth lager (just in case a very lost tourist wandered in?)
Never seen anything like that place.

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Smashed it, top bins, and bangers.
at 14:18 5 Dec 2024

Since when did the Dressing Room become the Locker Room, and the Ticket Office the Box Office?

Could be wrong, but I'll blame it on Americans (can never go wrong with that policy).
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at 14:12 5 Dec 2024

Normally a traditionalist - chips, salt, proper malt vinegar and nothing else.

But on Saturday I was tempted by a big piled-up dish of chips, cheese and bacon pieces etc in a gastro pub in Brentford (yes, they do have those now )

Anyhow, along with a nice pint of IPA, it was the perfect pre-match grub.
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Storm
at 14:06 5 Dec 2024

Re the leaf fall, overground trains at least never used to suffer from that back in the day.

Mind you, that was only because they used to chop down every last tree, shrub and bush etc anywhere near the tracks, to prevent sparks from the steam engines starting a fire.

Try reinstating that policy now and you'd incur the wrath of the environmentalists etc - "London's green lungs" and all that.
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Euro 2028: UK and Ireland Bid
at 14:10 2 Dec 2024

If R's fans reckon that your club's efforts to redevelop Loftus Road, or move elsewhere (Car Giant/Linford Christie etc) have been poorly handled, it has nothing on what a complete omnishambles the whole Casement/Euro's business has turned out to be.
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Wembley Stadium
at 19:29 20 Nov 2024

From The Cockney Garden:

"Oh it really is a werry pretty garden
And 'Endon to the westward could be seen
And by clinging to the chimbley
You could see across to Wembley
If it wasn't for the 'ouses in between."

https://folksongandmusichall.com/index.php/if-it-wasnt-for-the-ouses-inbetween/
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Corny Joke Warning
at 19:22 20 Nov 2024

Dough!

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Ownership of QPR
at 13:44 13 Nov 2024

A thought occurs from reading this thread: Might QPR ("Jude") be the footballing equivalent of Schrodinger's Cat?

That is, your owners are killing your club with their bad decision-making, while simultaneously keeping it alive with their money.

Or is this metaphor simultaneously clever and crap?
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Scouting
at 22:18 7 Oct 2024

Don't know the figures, but I'd be prepared to bet that BFC's rate of attrition/development compares with the best in the market.

In fact, it is likely to be better than most, simply because they still don't have the resources of virtually all of the other clubs in the Prem, so can't afford wastage.
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Scouting
at 22:12 7 Oct 2024

Maybe a few years back, but many of the big clubs (at least) have caught up, not least because afaik they've recruited some people from BHA and BFC etc

Liverpool are esp. clued-up apparently.
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Utterly Sick of It
at 11:46 20 Sep 2024

Re your point about data etc, after he took over at Brentford, Matthew Benham crunched the data on cup games etc (not just Bees, but all teams I expect), and this told him that cup games were invariably an unhelpful distraction from progress in the league.

As a result, Bees have never fielded their strongest team in cup games, whether as a League One, Championship or Prem team, except for the very rare occasion when they've managed to go deep in a cup.

Make of that what you will.
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Loftus Road renovation/revamp
at 16:07 17 Sep 2024

Though I'm (cautiously) optimistic for another few seasons in the PL for Bees, it's obvious that one bad/unlucky season could see us relegated at any time.

But if we were, I'd be very confident that we could get back up again pretty damned quickly, since it is FAR easier to sign Championship-winning players to gain promotion, than it is to sign PL-standard players to keep you up, never mind progress, once you get there.

And that's before you factor in the huge advantage parachute payments give in the Championship.
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