| Bircham 14:40 - Jan 15 with 5514 views | Northernr |
Left. Gone to Millwall as first team coach. |  | | |  |
| Bircham on 14:42 - Jan 15 with 3612 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Had to happen at some stage. Steve Gallen also highly thought of elsewhere.
Best of luck, Birch. See you back here some day. |  |
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| Bircham on 14:42 - Jan 15 with 3601 views | imustbemad |
Good luck to him |  | | |
| Bircham on 14:43 - Jan 15 with 3594 views | Rs_Holy |
| Bircham on 14:42 - Jan 15 by BrianMcCarthy |
Had to happen at some stage. Steve Gallen also highly thought of elsewhere.
Best of luck, Birch. See you back here some day. |
Yep.... He WILL be back! |  | | |
| Bircham on 14:48 - Jan 15 with 3557 views | QPunkR |
Aye, first team coach is a step up, so good luck to Birch |  |
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| Bircham on 14:56 - Jan 15 with 3501 views | baz_qpr |
Actually feel that is a real loss. Was really impressed with him when the EDS team came down to Hampton, and the EDS style of play. |  | | |
| Bircham on 14:59 - Jan 15 with 3480 views | kensalriser |
Good luck to him. Just as well, he hasn't got a game in ages. |  |
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| Bircham on 14:59 - Jan 15 with 3481 views | loftboy |
I reckon he will make a good manager in the future, learning the trade the right way, hopefully will be in the hot seat at Loftus rd/Air Asia bowl in the future. |  |
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| Bircham on 15:04 - Jan 15 with 3441 views | toboboly |
Whilst it may be good for him, I do not understand how if we want the best staff, the best club and the best future we allow people to leave.
If he is as good as others say then we should have made it so that he would never want to leave. |  |
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| Bircham on 15:05 - Jan 15 with 3440 views | QPRDave |
no!! seriously? ...f***in olloway |  | | |
| Bircham on 15:05 - Jan 15 with 3436 views | Nov77 |
a spy in the camp for our last home game. |  |
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| Bircham on 15:07 - Jan 15 with 3419 views | kingsburyR |
He's got bird sh!t on his head! |  |
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| Bircham on 15:07 - Jan 15 with 3418 views | simmo |
Disappointing but hard to begrudge him choosing to link up with Olly again.
Best of luck to him. |  |
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| Bircham on 15:08 - Jan 15 with 3413 views | PinnerPaul |
| Bircham on 15:04 - Jan 15 by toboboly |
Whilst it may be good for him, I do not understand how if we want the best staff, the best club and the best future we allow people to leave.
If he is as good as others say then we should have made it so that he would never want to leave. |
What pay the EDS coach 1st team coach wages you mean or sack one of established/experienced first team coaches?
Never going to happen, EDS, youth etc will always be seen as stepping stone to better jobs, can't seriously expect Furlong to stay as U16s coach forever either. |  | | |
| Bircham on 15:09 - Jan 15 with 3409 views | toboboly |
| Bircham on 15:08 - Jan 15 by PinnerPaul |
What pay the EDS coach 1st team coach wages you mean or sack one of established/experienced first team coaches?
Never going to happen, EDS, youth etc will always be seen as stepping stone to better jobs, can't seriously expect Furlong to stay as U16s coach forever either. |
If he is that good then get him into the first team set up. Don't tell me we don't have enough space or is Wally bigger than I thought? | |
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| Bircham on 15:12 - Jan 15 with 3396 views | Nov77 |
@marcbircham
“I’ve loved every minute at QPR as a coach, especially working with Harry and his staff"
"The opportunity to go to @MillwallFC & link up with Ollie again, was one I couldn’t turn down" | |
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| Bircham on 15:26 - Jan 15 with 3318 views | eghamranger |
Goodbye to the future Rangers manager! Go get experience son |  | | |
| Bircham on 15:31 - Jan 15 with 3300 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Bircham on 15:04 - Jan 15 by toboboly |
Whilst it may be good for him, I do not understand how if we want the best staff, the best club and the best future we allow people to leave.
If he is as good as others say then we should have made it so that he would never want to leave. |
I agree with you but we can't stand in his way.
Even if we paid him wages equivalent to a first team coach's he would still want to learn and advance himself. The only option is for him to do that here and for Rangers to bring people through to the first team from the youths but we're not doing that with players, let alone coaches. That would require long-term planning! | |
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| Bircham on 15:33 - Jan 15 with 3293 views | Metallica_Hoop |
Good luck Birch |  |
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| Bircham on 15:38 - Jan 15 with 3260 views | Rs_Holy |
Maybe time for Magic Hat to take over??? | | | |
| Bircham on 15:50 - Jan 15 with 3206 views | daveB |
gutted about this, I think this is a big loss to lose one of the few QPR men left at the club |  | | |
| Bircham on 15:58 - Jan 15 with 3167 views | Discodroid |
good luck birch . we met once after a qpr away league cup tie at leyton orient , you took the piss out of my fetching dick emery hat and me trimm trabbs..most deserved.
youre an absolute gentleman and a true r. hope to see you back at the club.
to make matter worse (we lost 3-2) and i was stuck behind robert elms, during the game.  |  |
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| Bircham on 16:15 - Jan 15 with 3114 views | Neil_SI |
I think it's unbelievable that the club doesn't have the development and career path opportunity for somebody like Marc Bircham. For all the talk about getting the right sort in, it also means not letting the right sort go.
The club cannot afford to lose people with Rangers in their heart and soul, like Marc Bircham. It still needs more of these type of people, because it's lost an awful lot of them, including lower profile staff over the many years since Gianni Paladini's reign.
That's partly why the club has struggled so much in that time. It doesn't recognise itself or know itself well enough anymore. There have been some small steps forward in recent times, especially with communication levels starting to open up a little bit with the various fan groups, but this just goes to show there is an awful lot of work left to do.
In terms of coaching philosophy — it's a shame a lot of clubs get it so wrong and the wrong way around. You want your best coaches working with the youth players and those in need of further education and development.
You should expect the first team to be more complete professionals, that's not to say you don't want top drawer coaching for them either, of course you do, but so many clubs treat those down the ladder as a minority when that's where the investment and best paid coaches should actually be. It's the wrong mentality — but it's a problem for a lot of clubs, not just us.
Of course, in Marc Bircham's case, he wants to be a first-team manager some day, but that doesn't mean that opportunity to develop and gain experience shouldn't have been made available here. I mean seriously, we talk a lot about finding the right manager, and what type of manager that could be, such as a club man capable of implementing a philosophy from top to bottom, from the youth to the first team and tied in with the scouting network and all of that, but here you are, you have a man, Rangers through and through, who could be that person some day and would have been perfect for grooming into what you hope a QPR manager should be.
It doesn't mean he would have made it, or been good enough, but you must push out that development and training with every member of staff who walks through the door, coach or player or otherwise and do everything they can to develop people to reach their goals and dreams, and then hopefully make good use of that.
There's obviously a chance he will return some day, but you shouldn't leave things to chance and you shouldn't expect them to have to pick up experience they need elsewhere. And to state the obvious, it if was good enough and the right environment, he would have stayed.
I'm annoyed. [Post edited 15 Jan 2014 16:18]
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| Bircham on 16:18 - Jan 15 with 3091 views | toboboly |
Put it better than I could Neil. Wholeheartedly agree. | |
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| Bircham on 16:19 - Jan 15 with 3078 views | PinnerPaul |
| Bircham on 15:31 - Jan 15 by BrianMcCarthy |
I agree with you but we can't stand in his way.
Even if we paid him wages equivalent to a first team coach's he would still want to learn and advance himself. The only option is for him to do that here and for Rangers to bring people through to the first team from the youths but we're not doing that with players, let alone coaches. That would require long-term planning! |
Hardly unique in that respect are we?!
Not many youth/EDS coaches promoted to top jobs in top two divisions. | | | |
| Bircham on 16:25 - Jan 15 with 3056 views | PinnerPaul |
| Bircham on 16:15 - Jan 15 by Neil_SI |
I think it's unbelievable that the club doesn't have the development and career path opportunity for somebody like Marc Bircham. For all the talk about getting the right sort in, it also means not letting the right sort go.
The club cannot afford to lose people with Rangers in their heart and soul, like Marc Bircham. It still needs more of these type of people, because it's lost an awful lot of them, including lower profile staff over the many years since Gianni Paladini's reign.
That's partly why the club has struggled so much in that time. It doesn't recognise itself or know itself well enough anymore. There have been some small steps forward in recent times, especially with communication levels starting to open up a little bit with the various fan groups, but this just goes to show there is an awful lot of work left to do.
In terms of coaching philosophy — it's a shame a lot of clubs get it so wrong and the wrong way around. You want your best coaches working with the youth players and those in need of further education and development.
You should expect the first team to be more complete professionals, that's not to say you don't want top drawer coaching for them either, of course you do, but so many clubs treat those down the ladder as a minority when that's where the investment and best paid coaches should actually be. It's the wrong mentality — but it's a problem for a lot of clubs, not just us.
Of course, in Marc Bircham's case, he wants to be a first-team manager some day, but that doesn't mean that opportunity to develop and gain experience shouldn't have been made available here. I mean seriously, we talk a lot about finding the right manager, and what type of manager that could be, such as a club man capable of implementing a philosophy from top to bottom, from the youth to the first team and tied in with the scouting network and all of that, but here you are, you have a man, Rangers through and through, who could be that person some day and would have been perfect for grooming into what you hope a QPR manager should be.
It doesn't mean he would have made it, or been good enough, but you must push out that development and training with every member of staff who walks through the door, coach or player or otherwise and do everything they can to develop people to reach their goals and dreams, and then hopefully make good use of that.
There's obviously a chance he will return some day, but you shouldn't leave things to chance and you shouldn't expect them to have to pick up experience they need elsewhere. And to state the obvious, it if was good enough and the right environment, he would have stayed.
I'm annoyed. [Post edited 15 Jan 2014 16:18]
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Take your point Neil, but its a big step from taking the u16s,U18s, EDS to a top job in top two divisions.
Surely best for Derry, Ainsworth, Birch etc to learn trade in lower divisions, lesser jobs and then if successful return later.
As you acknowledge its the way football works and not just at QPR.
Still gives those annoyed that there is nothing negative to post about after fine win at Ipswich something to carp on about and I'm not referring to you Neil btw! | | | |
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