| Get off Colemans and Bells back 12:08 - Dec 2 with 12366 views | dalehead89 |
I am an avid reader of this site but i have never decided to comment until now , i was at the game yesterday and i am in no way going to say it was good because we were poor but we did get better in the second half , he is right with what he said we do need to start games better , but it shows that his half time talks are having some impact its now down to the players to get out there from the word go instead of needing a rollicking to start playing!.What any manager needs is support we are still in a decent position to go up all be it probably through the play offs. If we was in the bottom two then fine slag him and get rid but we are not. |  | | |  |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 17:13 - Dec 2 with 1598 views | TVOS1907 |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 17:06 - Dec 2 by SteTsGoldenBoot |
I think I said crowds of? Not specific to home fans.
Rough guestimate yesterday crowd 2400 - 550 away fans/1850 home (did we also give 400 tickets away?).
I think we will have significantly less on Saturday and the total crowd less than 1650. Take away season ticket holders and it doesnt leave a right lot of cash flow to pay the bills.
But as I have been told, I am talking rubbish and everythings great.
I will worry on my own and not say another word on the subject. |
I think the 'talking rubbish' bit was about 'killing the club'. As I said, any 'killing' started around June 2011, although 'killing' might be a bit strong. There are certainly many things you know about that are completely outwith the performances on the field and who the manager is.
As a supporter of many years standing, you have seen considerably more dross than a lot of us and certainly much worse managers than Coleman. Greenhoff, Halom (one you mentioned), Simpson, Buckley and Eyre to name five.
Yesterday was rubbish, home form all season has been rubbish, crowds are falling and people's records are being called into question.
But is the current situation really among the worst you've seen in your supporting lifetime?
If it is, then I'm Dave Mossman! [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 17:23 - Dec 2 with 1577 views | 442Dale |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 17:06 - Dec 2 by SteTsGoldenBoot |
I think I said crowds of? Not specific to home fans.
Rough guestimate yesterday crowd 2400 - 550 away fans/1850 home (did we also give 400 tickets away?).
I think we will have significantly less on Saturday and the total crowd less than 1650. Take away season ticket holders and it doesnt leave a right lot of cash flow to pay the bills.
But as I have been told, I am talking rubbish and everythings great.
I will worry on my own and not say another word on the subject. |
Nobody is saying everything is great.
This messageboard has been consistent in its concerns about crowds and attracting fans way before we became rubbish again on the pitch. It's certainly not all John Coleman's fault even though the current home form is very poor. |  |
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| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 18:08 - Dec 2 with 1541 views | olympicdale |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 17:06 - Dec 2 by SteTsGoldenBoot |
I think I said crowds of? Not specific to home fans.
Rough guestimate yesterday crowd 2400 - 550 away fans/1850 home (did we also give 400 tickets away?).
I think we will have significantly less on Saturday and the total crowd less than 1650. Take away season ticket holders and it doesnt leave a right lot of cash flow to pay the bills.
But as I have been told, I am talking rubbish and everythings great.
I will worry on my own and not say another word on the subject. |
The crowds were always going to be lower after relegation, no matter who was the manager, and with people having to budget more than ever, how is that any of Coleman's fault, just another stick to beat him with. |  |
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| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 18:43 - Dec 2 with 1510 views | Birchy915 |
I'd like Eyre back please :) |  |
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| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 19:06 - Dec 2 with 1475 views | macro |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 18:43 - Dec 2 by Birchy915 |
I'd like Eyre back please :) |
with barrow as his assistant |  | | |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 19:23 - Dec 2 with 1444 views | Dale23years |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 16:10 - Dec 2 by SteTsGoldenBoot |
3300 x £15 = £49,500
Next Sat - 1650 x £15 = £24,750.
How many of this seasons 'reluclant' season ticket holders will not renew next season?
We play like scum on the pitch and behave like it off the pitch!
As I keep saying, time will tell if I am being ridiculous, talking b*ll*x or any other naughty word. |
Am with you on this SteTsGoldenboots more and more fans cant be ass watching the shit we have put up with the fat waiter has no fcuking idea and tactical awarness is crap as for bell the theonly thing missing of is name is end | |
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| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 19:28 - Dec 2 with 1434 views | Bobbyjoe |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 17:13 - Dec 2 by TVOS1907 |
I think the 'talking rubbish' bit was about 'killing the club'. As I said, any 'killing' started around June 2011, although 'killing' might be a bit strong. There are certainly many things you know about that are completely outwith the performances on the field and who the manager is.
As a supporter of many years standing, you have seen considerably more dross than a lot of us and certainly much worse managers than Coleman. Greenhoff, Halom (one you mentioned), Simpson, Buckley and Eyre to name five.
Yesterday was rubbish, home form all season has been rubbish, crowds are falling and people's records are being called into question.
But is the current situation really among the worst you've seen in your supporting lifetime?
If it is, then I'm Dave Mossman! [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Where is your evidence that Simpson (or even Eyre for that matter) were worse Rochdale managers than Coleman, TVOS? Wasn't the team in a similar position at this stage of Simpson's season, playing entertaining football in front of decent crowds with a third-round (followed by a fourth-round) cup-tie to look forward to? Eyre, with no previous experience to draw on, playing in a (massively) tougher division, made some progress in two cups, and was showing signs of getting to grips with the job when he was precipitately dumped. If Coleman had been appointed in succession to Hill there would have been uproar, and, in all probability, he would have lasted no longer than Eyre. I venture to suggest the club is in a worse position now, all things taken into consideration, than when Eyre was sacked, and that sacking him at that time, in that way, was a great mistake. | | | |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 19:38 - Dec 2 with 1420 views | 442Dale |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 19:28 - Dec 2 by Bobbyjoe |
Where is your evidence that Simpson (or even Eyre for that matter) were worse Rochdale managers than Coleman, TVOS? Wasn't the team in a similar position at this stage of Simpson's season, playing entertaining football in front of decent crowds with a third-round (followed by a fourth-round) cup-tie to look forward to? Eyre, with no previous experience to draw on, playing in a (massively) tougher division, made some progress in two cups, and was showing signs of getting to grips with the job when he was precipitately dumped. If Coleman had been appointed in succession to Hill there would have been uproar, and, in all probability, he would have lasted no longer than Eyre. I venture to suggest the club is in a worse position now, all things taken into consideration, than when Eyre was sacked, and that sacking him at that time, in that way, was a great mistake. |
Why would there have been uproar if Coleman was appointed after Hill?
Eyre was showing signs of getting to grips with the job? He won 1 game in two months, and was playing Stephen Jordan regularly as first choice centre half.
Purely on the 'results business' many managers accept as being crucial to their jobs, Coleman's doing ok at this stage of the season while Eyre wasn't. | |
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| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 19:55 - Dec 2 with 1408 views | TVOS1907 |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 19:28 - Dec 2 by Bobbyjoe |
Where is your evidence that Simpson (or even Eyre for that matter) were worse Rochdale managers than Coleman, TVOS? Wasn't the team in a similar position at this stage of Simpson's season, playing entertaining football in front of decent crowds with a third-round (followed by a fourth-round) cup-tie to look forward to? Eyre, with no previous experience to draw on, playing in a (massively) tougher division, made some progress in two cups, and was showing signs of getting to grips with the job when he was precipitately dumped. If Coleman had been appointed in succession to Hill there would have been uproar, and, in all probability, he would have lasted no longer than Eyre. I venture to suggest the club is in a worse position now, all things taken into consideration, than when Eyre was sacked, and that sacking him at that time, in that way, was a great mistake. |
Surprised it's taken you so long to post on this topic BJ.
I've repeatedly quoted facts and statistics that are damning indictments on the reigns of Simpson and Eyre and really can't be bothered regurgitating the majority again for you.
But just as a taster, in yesterday's TVOS I reported that ten years ago (when Simpson was manager) we had just drawn 2-2 at Torquay, with The Gulls' last minute equaliser denying us a first league win in two months. That hardly backs up one of your points.
Also, Coleman and Eyre both won a JPT tie on penalties and lost a JPT tie on penalties, so you can't really quote one of the cups as one-upmanship.
Eyre's team also lost to, at the time, the second-worst team in the country in the FA Cup. Granted Eyre took us to the third round of the League Cup - and then we lost to a team halfway down the division below us.
And we had also won once in two months when he was incorrectly dumped. Incorrect because it happened six weeks too late! | |
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| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 19:59 - Dec 2 with 1400 views | Doris |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 17:13 - Dec 2 by TVOS1907 |
I think the 'talking rubbish' bit was about 'killing the club'. As I said, any 'killing' started around June 2011, although 'killing' might be a bit strong. There are certainly many things you know about that are completely outwith the performances on the field and who the manager is.
As a supporter of many years standing, you have seen considerably more dross than a lot of us and certainly much worse managers than Coleman. Greenhoff, Halom (one you mentioned), Simpson, Buckley and Eyre to name five.
Yesterday was rubbish, home form all season has been rubbish, crowds are falling and people's records are being called into question.
But is the current situation really among the worst you've seen in your supporting lifetime?
If it is, then I'm Dave Mossman! [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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But is the current situation really among the worst you've seen in your supporting lifetime?
If it isnt ,why the plummeting crowd ,season tickets really low ?? pay on the gate nearly non existant .
Does anybody at the club
1 ask the question
2 know the answer.
3 Do anything about it
it cant be about whats on the field altogether. | | | |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 20:09 - Dec 2 with 1381 views | TVOS1907 |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 19:59 - Dec 2 by Doris |
But is the current situation really among the worst you've seen in your supporting lifetime?
If it isnt ,why the plummeting crowd ,season tickets really low ?? pay on the gate nearly non existant .
Does anybody at the club
1 ask the question
2 know the answer.
3 Do anything about it
it cant be about whats on the field altogether. |
The question was for SteT, doris, as his supporting lifetime outlives me, you, R17ALE and many others, meaning he saw plenty of re-election battles and crowds of around 1200, which are far worse situations than now. It's all relative.
As for 1, 2 and 3, I've no idea. | |
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| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 20:18 - Dec 2 with 1359 views | Doris |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 20:09 - Dec 2 by TVOS1907 |
The question was for SteT, doris, as his supporting lifetime outlives me, you, R17ALE and many others, meaning he saw plenty of re-election battles and crowds of around 1200, which are far worse situations than now. It's all relative.
As for 1, 2 and 3, I've no idea. |
so which were the the re-elections battles before the ones in the 70s that i missed,i saw a bit of that shit and just spoke to my dad and i know his mind is a bit bad but he saw alot of dale and hornets games from the 50s .Apparently i was at alot of games in the late 70s but was bored to tears being in my early teens. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 20:20 - Dec 2 with 1356 views | Bobbyjoe |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 19:55 - Dec 2 by TVOS1907 |
Surprised it's taken you so long to post on this topic BJ.
I've repeatedly quoted facts and statistics that are damning indictments on the reigns of Simpson and Eyre and really can't be bothered regurgitating the majority again for you.
But just as a taster, in yesterday's TVOS I reported that ten years ago (when Simpson was manager) we had just drawn 2-2 at Torquay, with The Gulls' last minute equaliser denying us a first league win in two months. That hardly backs up one of your points.
Also, Coleman and Eyre both won a JPT tie on penalties and lost a JPT tie on penalties, so you can't really quote one of the cups as one-upmanship.
Eyre's team also lost to, at the time, the second-worst team in the country in the FA Cup. Granted Eyre took us to the third round of the League Cup - and then we lost to a team halfway down the division below us.
And we had also won once in two months when he was incorrectly dumped. Incorrect because it happened six weeks too late! |
I don't doubt that the facts and statistics you quote are accurate, TVOS, but if they told the whole story then surely joy would currently be unconfined! | | | |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 20:24 - Dec 2 with 1342 views | 442Dale |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 20:20 - Dec 2 by Bobbyjoe |
I don't doubt that the facts and statistics you quote are accurate, TVOS, but if they told the whole story then surely joy would currently be unconfined! |
No, just not as miserable. | |
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| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 21:09 - Dec 2 with 1298 views | Doris |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 20:09 - Dec 2 by TVOS1907 |
The question was for SteT, doris, as his supporting lifetime outlives me, you, R17ALE and many others, meaning he saw plenty of re-election battles and crowds of around 1200, which are far worse situations than now. It's all relative.
As for 1, 2 and 3, I've no idea. |
should have read it before posting , sorry TVOS it was a private question .my mistake.
maybe you take private questions to the pm and not online [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 21:19 - Dec 2 with 1284 views | TVOS1907 |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 20:20 - Dec 2 by Bobbyjoe |
I don't doubt that the facts and statistics you quote are accurate, TVOS, but if they told the whole story then surely joy would currently be unconfined! |
That's part of the point some people have tried to make. | |
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| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 21:53 - Dec 2 with 1261 views | TVOS1907 |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 21:09 - Dec 2 by Doris |
should have read it before posting , sorry TVOS it was a private question .my mistake.
maybe you take private questions to the pm and not online [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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It wasn't really a private question, as such, but more one for SteT that's also of general interest. | |
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| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 21:59 - Dec 2 with 1248 views | phomem |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 19:59 - Dec 2 by Doris |
But is the current situation really among the worst you've seen in your supporting lifetime?
If it isnt ,why the plummeting crowd ,season tickets really low ?? pay on the gate nearly non existant .
Does anybody at the club
1 ask the question
2 know the answer.
3 Do anything about it
it cant be about whats on the field altogether. |
Crowds at at least twenty of the l2 clubs are lower. Money is tight for people |  | | |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 22:04 - Dec 2 with 1240 views | Doris |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 21:53 - Dec 2 by TVOS1907 |
It wasn't really a private question, as such, but more one for SteT that's also of general interest. |
i shall chat about the 70s footy with the old man when a see him next ,just seems that you were presuming i was not part of that era but i must admit ste t may be a wee bit older than myself,a few are.what we have spoken about in the past isnt always whats gone on ,i remember R17 saying i the car on the way to southampton if only you knew what we knew. | | | |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 08:06 - Dec 3 with 1175 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 16:18 - Dec 2 by SteTsGoldenBoot |
Sorry, my bad.
Yesterday will have the fans flocking in.
We will gain back to back promotions on crowds of 1500.
Selling both JK and Tutte in January will keep the wolf from the door for the next 15 years as will the future profits on the transfers for Cav, Phil Edwards, Pink Boots, Craney, Adebola, Curran.
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I also thought Saturday was awful. In fact, I left after 60 minutes. I really do wish it was better at home because I only attend home matches. However, I don't believe that changing the manager will do us any favours whatsoever.
I believe we will have more of a chance of improving the home form if we stick with the manager and let him continue to try and build something. The reasons why I believe this may happen is that our away form is very good, we are one point from the play-offs and, amongst most of the dross at home this season, I've seen glimpses of a half-decent side.
Also, many of Hill's signings were not saleable assets. In this league if you can get one or two gems and sell them on for a couple of hundred grand you've done a great job. Come on, if you're building virtually an entire squad at the speed Coleman did then there are inevitaly going to be some that don't cut it.
You've obviously been watching Dale far longer and more than I have. Given this, it suprises me that you don't seem to put the current regime into some sort of historical context. I could perhaps understand a response like yours from someone who started watching Dale in the promotion season.
If Dale were to sack a manager whose team were one point off the play-offs the footballing world, well those who have heard of us, would ridicule the decision. Just as I would if, for example, Newcastle sacked Pardew or Norwich Hughton. I'd look at the position of the club and think....'who the fook do they think they are. They've got Illusions of grandeur them lot.'
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| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 09:27 - Dec 3 with 1140 views | fitzochris |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 08:06 - Dec 3 by BigDaveMyCock |
I also thought Saturday was awful. In fact, I left after 60 minutes. I really do wish it was better at home because I only attend home matches. However, I don't believe that changing the manager will do us any favours whatsoever.
I believe we will have more of a chance of improving the home form if we stick with the manager and let him continue to try and build something. The reasons why I believe this may happen is that our away form is very good, we are one point from the play-offs and, amongst most of the dross at home this season, I've seen glimpses of a half-decent side.
Also, many of Hill's signings were not saleable assets. In this league if you can get one or two gems and sell them on for a couple of hundred grand you've done a great job. Come on, if you're building virtually an entire squad at the speed Coleman did then there are inevitaly going to be some that don't cut it.
You've obviously been watching Dale far longer and more than I have. Given this, it suprises me that you don't seem to put the current regime into some sort of historical context. I could perhaps understand a response like yours from someone who started watching Dale in the promotion season.
If Dale were to sack a manager whose team were one point off the play-offs the footballing world, well those who have heard of us, would ridicule the decision. Just as I would if, for example, Newcastle sacked Pardew or Norwich Hughton. I'd look at the position of the club and think....'who the fook do they think they are. They've got Illusions of grandeur them lot.'
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I've been watching Dale since 1988 (home and away from 1995 to 2003) and things have been a lot worse in that time than it is at present.
I do not want JC to go. I actually think he is the perfect manager for a club our size, with our resources and with our fanbase.
That said, I don't think he is beyond reproach and his decisions are there to be questioned by the fans just like they are with any manager at any football club.
His selection is baffling at times, as are his substitutions, but we are still outperforming teams like Bristol Rovers, who have a far better squad on paper, so that tells me something is going right.
I, like you, only get to see home games nowadays (and have to travel a great distance for those when I do), so it is easier to be disgruntled, having not experienced the great away days at Gillingham, Rotherham et al.
I'm patient, and realistic, so it will take a lot for me to call for JC's head, especially having experienced the likes of Barrow, Simmo and Eyre previously. |  |
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| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 09:55 - Dec 3 with 1120 views | JumeirahDale |
Agree 100% with the last two posts. |  | | |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 10:12 - Dec 3 with 1104 views | electricblue |
So it seems that when a result goes against Dale its off with his head...
Is this going to be on a regular basis come 5pm on saturday...
Very very disheartening...... |  |
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| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 11:03 - Dec 3 with 1078 views | SFD |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 14:18 - Dec 2 by ColDale |
talk of the league not being as strong as it was four or five years ago is amusing as they were precisely the comments that were being said around four or five years ago. Its almost as if we get all misty eyed at the quality in this division as if a handful of years ago, it was on a par with the Champions League.
Reality is that it is almost impossible to compare seasons with seasons gone by. What does stand up to comparison is how we have fared in comparison with the other relegated sides. We were undoubtedly the worst of the four relegated sides last season, yet despite having less funds to work with, we are somehow doing better than all three of them so we are clearly doing something right.
And again, judging by the comments over the Summer, we are in a position which most supporters would have taken in the Summer. There was no real expectation of an immediate return to League One (in fact I think it was only Coleman who mentioned that) so again there's not many who can claim that this season is something of a disaster.
Of course, until the home form is sorted there will always be legitimate concerns. I said it a couple of weeks back, there will probably be regular home supporters who have yet to see us even with this season. And those same supporters must think we are doolally when we start raving about how well we are playing away from home at times. The home form is the bread and butter and is being used as a yardstick much more than the league position or points tally is.
I think at time we underestimate the job that Coleman has had to do at Spotland. Had we stuck with Eyre, we would have been facing back to back relegations. The damage done with Eyre's appointment will never be fully appreciated by supporters. Since coming in, he has had to totally rebuild the dressing room which was rampant with cliques and bad attitude. I don't think comparisons with Chelsea would have been wide of the mark. Let's not forget just how bad things got that we had first team players airing the club's dirty laundry on here.
So Coleman's first job over the Summer was to get a committed first team squad all working for the cause. I think he's pretty much managed to get that sorted and the players buy into Coleman's belief. Yes, he's stuck pretty much to the tried and trusted in doing so but I believe signings of the likes of McIntyre and Cavanagh are short term signings that were needed to help rebuild that dressing room.
Of course, Coleman has made mistakes and has continued to do so. His Summer recruitment saw him restricted to a rigid style of playing, the home form is a problem that isn't being resolved, we've got on field discipline issues from our more experienced players and I can't stand the constant attempts to con the officials.
And of course, there are problems that Coleman is not responsible for that are being attributed to him. That lack of a buzz about things and the detachment from the club would have been inevitable whoever was running things.
But what I do trust Coleman to do is to get things right long term. Unlike his predecessor, there is a long term plan in place and for the transfer windows, there will already be ideas for replacements and improvements - perhaps players that weren't available at the time but have become so (I look forward to the inevitable comments when we sign Dean Winnard in the Summer). Much of this trust stems from his time at Accy where the job he did was beyond reproach, so maybe there's something of a leap of faith in doing so.
But as I said, until the home form gets sorted, we'll end up with the same old conversations on here. We're a hard set of buggers to please at times.  [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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You make alot of valid points Col, however have to disagree about his time at Accy and the players he has recruited from there, what did they actually achieve ? dont recall them being promoted from league 2 so the said players clearly arent good enough, Mcintyre being the prime example he is simpkinesque.
We need to be solid at the back keep clean sheets and build from there, our two centre halves were awful on Saturday, i brought two fans of other clubs to the game and they we astounded that R Edwards could be so woeful and yet retain his place week in week out. |  | | |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 12:53 - Dec 3 with 1009 views | sweetcorn |
| Get off Colemans and Bells back on 11:03 - Dec 3 by SFD |
You make alot of valid points Col, however have to disagree about his time at Accy and the players he has recruited from there, what did they actually achieve ? dont recall them being promoted from league 2 so the said players clearly arent good enough, Mcintyre being the prime example he is simpkinesque.
We need to be solid at the back keep clean sheets and build from there, our two centre halves were awful on Saturday, i brought two fans of other clubs to the game and they we astounded that R Edwards could be so woeful and yet retain his place week in week out. |
Stinks of overreaction. Mcintyre is hardly simpkinsesque, he's had good games for us, simpkins never had one, so that rules that out. Coleman got some of our Accrington lot into the play-offs, maybe colemans idea was to pick the best of that bunch, add it to the quality we already have (Tutte, JK, Grimes) and then get a few unknowns (bennett, rafferty, lillis, etc.) which could take the team onto the next level.
We aren't doing bad at the minute and with the way this league is going, one good run of 10-15 games will see us take a dominant position in this league. |  |
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