| The if you could change football thread... 07:57 - Mar 9 with 5904 views | aussiehoop |
Bored sh!tless at work... Thought i'd see how everyone would change the game for the better if they had the power. Personally i'd like to see some of the below;
1.) I think introducing a salary cap would be too problematic when you consider all the international leagues. It would be easier to introduce a wage ceiling, most likely anchored in euro's or USD that no player can be paid above. This would negate any future market distortion from clubs such as city, scum, real madrid, psg et al.
2.) Players transfer fees should also have a ceiling. Say something like 300% of the remaining value of their contract.
3.) Players to not be able to sign contracts longer than 3 years (if i was a footballer i'd take the guardiola route and only sign 1 year contracts... gives you flexibility and empowers your choices).
4.) Follow the rugby path and allow no players to approach the referee. The game is ridiculous now with all the moaning. Automatic yellow for anyone that approaches the ref or assistant that isn't the captain.
5.) Post match punishments for diving. If it's not caught during the game a punishment should still be given. It's bringing the game into disrepute.
6.) Goal line technology. Footballs worth too much these days to allow human error to cost promotion, relegation etc:
Any other ideas? Fantasy really. Fun nonetheless. |  | | |  |
| The if you could change football thread... on 08:53 - Mar 9 with 4699 views | HAYESBOY |
This has always bugged me with football rules.
Allowing a player to sheperd the ball out of play. It is a foul and should be treated as a foul. Instead it is deemed good play by usually the defender.
If the player has no intention of playing the ball and his only intention is to stop the oppossing player getting to it then its a foul.
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| The if you could change football thread... on 09:04 - Mar 9 with 4690 views | ericgen34 |
| The if you could change football thread... on 08:53 - Mar 9 by HAYESBOY |
This has always bugged me with football rules.
Allowing a player to sheperd the ball out of play. It is a foul and should be treated as a foul. Instead it is deemed good play by usually the defender.
If the player has no intention of playing the ball and his only intention is to stop the oppossing player getting to it then its a foul.
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Always annoys me as well that. (we're not alone, I remember John Peel putting it in room 101)
I think a player should be allowed to protect the ball in that way only if it's his team who last touched the ball |  | | |
| The if you could change football thread... on 09:13 - Mar 9 with 4686 views | hoopstilidie |
| The if you could change football thread... on 08:53 - Mar 9 by HAYESBOY |
This has always bugged me with football rules.
Allowing a player to sheperd the ball out of play. It is a foul and should be treated as a foul. Instead it is deemed good play by usually the defender.
If the player has no intention of playing the ball and his only intention is to stop the oppossing player getting to it then its a foul.
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Agreed, it's obstruction and should be treated as such.
I'd like to see 2 points for a home win and 3 for an away win with a bonus point for winning by a clear 4 goals or more. Would pretty much guarantee attacking football and stop the last 10 minute time-wasting in a lot of cases. |  |
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| The if you could change football thread... on 09:16 - Mar 9 with 4681 views | A40Bosh |
| The if you could change football thread... on 09:04 - Mar 9 by ericgen34 |
Always annoys me as well that. (we're not alone, I remember John Peel putting it in room 101)
I think a player should be allowed to protect the ball in that way only if it's his team who last touched the ball |
Totally disagree,
As long as the player doing the shepherding is merely changing his position around the area of the ball so that his opponent cannot get to it and he is not proactively pushing or leaning back into the opposing player then I don't see why there is a problem.
"I think a player should be allowed to protect the ball in that way only if it's his team who last touched the ball"
Unless I have misunderstood that situation above, if your team played the ball last why would you want to shepherd it out of play and allow the opposition a corner, goal kick or throw in? |  |
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| The if you could change football thread... on 09:17 - Mar 9 with 4678 views | smegma |
Point 1 contradicts itself surely. You can't have a salary cap you say but you can have a ceiling. Surely they are one and the same , just with different names. |  | | |
| The if you could change football thread... on 09:20 - Mar 9 with 4672 views | hoopstilidie |
| The if you could change football thread... on 09:17 - Mar 9 by smegma |
Point 1 contradicts itself surely. You can't have a salary cap you say but you can have a ceiling. Surely they are one and the same , just with different names. |
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| The if you could change football thread... on 09:26 - Mar 9 with 4661 views | ericgen34 |
| The if you could change football thread... on 09:16 - Mar 9 by A40Bosh |
Totally disagree,
As long as the player doing the shepherding is merely changing his position around the area of the ball so that his opponent cannot get to it and he is not proactively pushing or leaning back into the opposing player then I don't see why there is a problem.
"I think a player should be allowed to protect the ball in that way only if it's his team who last touched the ball"
Unless I have misunderstood that situation above, if your team played the ball last why would you want to shepherd it out of play and allow the opposition a corner, goal kick or throw in? |
Well that's exactly the point. You wouldnt get the situation where players are trying to shepherd it out of play anymore.
If you prevent an opposition player from getting at the ball simply by putting your body between him and the ball, that's obstruction. If you move the ball so that your body is between the ball and the other player it isnt, therefore you must be the last one to touch the ball | | | |
| The if you could change football thread... on 09:32 - Mar 9 with 4658 views | A40Bosh |
I was thinking about this very subject last night. Obviously putting a cap on what an individual player can be paid would be legally challenged straight away as a restriction of business or against their human rights or some sort of labour law violation.
However, perhaps a limit on what a club is allowed to spend on wages in total over the course of a season and that it would be defined as a combination of all payments paid to players, such as basic salary, appearance bonuses, any payment made to the players. This would stop them trying to get around the limit by making non salaried payments to players to bulk up their package.
This would probably hurt a few of the bigger clubs initially as there would obviously be the bigger clubs in Europe smashing and sensible limit on day one.
Anyway it's a pipedream. I think the problem with money in football is a runaway train that has gathered too much momentum at this stage for anyone to try and stop it. | |
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| The if you could change football thread... on 09:32 - Mar 9 with 4656 views | Tonto |
return the offisde rule to the way it was
make goalkeepers kick a goalkick from where they receive the ball or the side the ball that it went out. Dont allow them (or the ball boys) to run infront/behind the goal with the ball to waste time
actually enforce the 5 second rule for the ball in the goalie's posession
totally agree with the yellow cards for complaining to a ref/lino |  |
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| The if you could change football thread... on 09:53 - Mar 9 with 4639 views | QPR_Jim |
I've always been a fan of the salary cap, I'm not sure how 100,000 a week cap (for example) could be seen as prohibative to their earnings but I'm sure they will argue their case. The fact is the players good enough to want above any salary cap would be gatting paid millions in sponsorship as well anyway. Also they should be allowed performance related bonuses which would also be capped to a limit to prevent it becoming a get around.
If your RVP for example and you earn 100,000 a week but you think your worth 200,000 go get some sponsorship or score some goals to get up to that level and stop complaining. |  | | |
| The if you could change football thread... on 10:02 - Mar 9 with 4635 views | aussiehoop |
| The if you could change football thread... on 09:17 - Mar 9 by smegma |
Point 1 contradicts itself surely. You can't have a salary cap you say but you can have a ceiling. Surely they are one and the same , just with different names. |
Not necessarily. Maybe I should clarify.
A salary cap is for a whole side. Fit x number of players into y budget. When I say ceiling I mean man utd could have 40 players all on 100k if they should so choose, caring eff all about a cap/budget. It's a ceiling on an individual's contract.
Probably should have explained what I meant a little better. | | | |
| The if you could change football thread... on 10:08 - Mar 9 with 4631 views | TheBlob |
As Tonto said,bring back the original offside laws.Then you have the delicious task of explaining them to your yummy female companion who will hang on your every word and "reward" you later for being so patient. |  |
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| The if you could change football thread... on 10:09 - Mar 9 with 4629 views | Hook |
Return all games to 3.00 kick offs on Saturday, 7.30 Tuesday or Wednesday nights.
Easter & Xmas with very local Derbys.
Only have domestic Cup Finals, England Internationals, Euros & world Cup Live on TV. |  | | |
| The if you could change football thread... on 12:47 - Mar 9 with 4603 views | blacky200 |
There should be some rule in place to stop bigger clubs poaching all the promising youth players. Not sure how they could do that but it would hopefully stop top clubs stockpiling all the talent and let the youngsters actually play competitive league matches at lower league clubs and learn their trade properly. |  | | |
| The if you could change football thread... on 12:56 - Mar 9 with 4592 views | adhoc_qpr |
| The if you could change football thread... on 12:47 - Mar 9 by blacky200 |
There should be some rule in place to stop bigger clubs poaching all the promising youth players. Not sure how they could do that but it would hopefully stop top clubs stockpiling all the talent and let the youngsters actually play competitive league matches at lower league clubs and learn their trade properly. |
Pretty sure they recently passed a law to the exact opposite effect - letting the big clubs poach players regardless of where they are playing geographically!
Threatened to withdraw certain payments to the Football League if it wasn't ratified i believe as well... | | | |
| The if you could change football thread... on 12:58 - Mar 9 with 4585 views | BrazilNutR |
The waving of imaginary cards should be an instant dismissal or at least a booking. It is unsporting behaviour.
My dad always used to think that there should be no offiside in the penalty area (if pass is made from within pen area that is)...could be interesting... or even draw 2 extra lines to have end zones where offside doesn't exist.. could make things more interesting..or not.. |  | | |
| The if you could change football thread... on 13:03 - Mar 9 with 4581 views | blacky200 |
| The if you could change football thread... on 12:56 - Mar 9 by adhoc_qpr |
Pretty sure they recently passed a law to the exact opposite effect - letting the big clubs poach players regardless of where they are playing geographically!
Threatened to withdraw certain payments to the Football League if it wasn't ratified i believe as well... |
If that is the case then I really don't see the point of QPR spending all this money getting academy status if we can't benefit from young players coming through. I can't really remember the last player to come through and actually become a first team regular (Ray Jones could have but I don't count him because we will never know whether he would of made it to first team regular). | | | |
| The if you could change football thread... on 13:03 - Mar 9 with 4581 views | ElHoop |
Something should definitely be done about diving/faking.
If a player can be sent off for hitting another, then a player should also be sent off for pretending that he's been hit, and punished exactly the same. If such a cheating player is sent off retrospectively, and I think that should be possible, then his team should start the next game with 10 men and play with 10 for as long as there was left when he sinned in the previous game, and then he should be suspended for another 3 or 4 games as the case may be. |  | | |
| The if you could change football thread... on 13:05 - Mar 9 with 4580 views | xistens_pet |
| The if you could change football thread... on 12:47 - Mar 9 by blacky200 |
There should be some rule in place to stop bigger clubs poaching all the promising youth players. Not sure how they could do that but it would hopefully stop top clubs stockpiling all the talent and let the youngsters actually play competitive league matches at lower league clubs and learn their trade properly. |
I was going to say just that. The draft system in American Football seems like a good template to follow. Awesome youngsters spread about evenly between clubs and even mandatory loans would be a great idea.
I know obviously it would be ideal that players get to choose where they ply their trade but I have little sympathy for being forced to play in the back-end-of-nowhere if you're picking up (or working towards) a footballer's salary. |  | | |
| The if you could change football thread... on 13:26 - Mar 9 with 4559 views | Fleckers86 |
| The if you could change football thread... on 13:05 - Mar 9 by xistens_pet |
I was going to say just that. The draft system in American Football seems like a good template to follow. Awesome youngsters spread about evenly between clubs and even mandatory loans would be a great idea.
I know obviously it would be ideal that players get to choose where they ply their trade but I have little sympathy for being forced to play in the back-end-of-nowhere if you're picking up (or working towards) a footballer's salary. |
My main thing would be that all football contracts are no longer than 2 years. A lot of the problems with finances in football is that teams are committing themselves to 4 - 5 year contracts with no promise that they are going to be in the same position that they are when the contract is signed.
Another more radical idea would be......
Me and the old man were discussing this the other day. Our plan would be each team would have a squad of 26 players and would have to conform to (3GK, 9DEF, 9MID, 5ATT). If you need to add to this roster then you would have to fill the position with a player that has graduated through the youth team and is under 18.
This would stop the stockpiling of players, means that better players (18+) would end up filtering through the leagues to get first team opportunities. Also gives the youth players a chance to play.
In regards to the Salary Cap. If you tied it in with the above you would have a salary cap for your 26. This would mean that teams could budget better every year. I admit that this needs reworking but its just an idea.
My biggest worry is that a lot of teams are going to fold in the next 10 - 20 years unless massive changes are made to the game. Wages are growing faster and are unsustainable to all clubs.
I don't think that in today's modern society and football as it is that England can sustain 92 football league clubs anymore. Just my opinion. |  | | |
| The if you could change football thread... on 13:38 - Mar 9 with 4551 views | themodfather |
| The if you could change football thread... on 13:26 - Mar 9 by Fleckers86 |
My main thing would be that all football contracts are no longer than 2 years. A lot of the problems with finances in football is that teams are committing themselves to 4 - 5 year contracts with no promise that they are going to be in the same position that they are when the contract is signed.
Another more radical idea would be......
Me and the old man were discussing this the other day. Our plan would be each team would have a squad of 26 players and would have to conform to (3GK, 9DEF, 9MID, 5ATT). If you need to add to this roster then you would have to fill the position with a player that has graduated through the youth team and is under 18.
This would stop the stockpiling of players, means that better players (18+) would end up filtering through the leagues to get first team opportunities. Also gives the youth players a chance to play.
In regards to the Salary Cap. If you tied it in with the above you would have a salary cap for your 26. This would mean that teams could budget better every year. I admit that this needs reworking but its just an idea.
My biggest worry is that a lot of teams are going to fold in the next 10 - 20 years unless massive changes are made to the game. Wages are growing faster and are unsustainable to all clubs.
I don't think that in today's modern society and football as it is that England can sustain 92 football league clubs anymore. Just my opinion. |
enforce a wage scheme per lge
set ticket prices per lge
use goal line and video playback to assist refs, via 4th official or 5th placed in an area in ground , in a secure room( ie no one enters except the 5th ref)
no player,official,sponsor or anyone involved in the "game" can be paid offshore, all to PAYE...
all clubs to be debt free ( set a time scale to do so, why should clubs run up vast debts they can never repay!?) german clubs manage it.
take control of tv ko's and control the fixture set up (ie to stop qpr going to plymuff for midday on boxing day!!)
restore the HOME INTERNATIONALS..england,scotland,wales and norn
as a ko cup...all 4 teams drawn from hat, play 1 game, the winners have the "final", losers a "play off for 3rd/4th". i'd like england to use u21's or those around the squad to gain match experience or gain fitness or prove they can move up!
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| The if you could change football thread... on 14:04 - Mar 9 with 4535 views | Juzzie |
- Harsh penalties for diving cheating. None of this "£5,000 fine" stuff as that means nothing to the club or the player. Give them 3, 4 or even 5 match bans. Make it severe and they'll soon stop. What Cisse did was silly but he got a three match ban yet Suarez's blatant dive v Arsenal could have won them the game and be worth millions.
- Shorter contracts, 2-3 years max. Players get paid a fortune and changes in form, long term injuries etc have a detrimental effect. Players get a pay rise if they've had a good season, similarly they should get a pay drop if they've had a crap one.
- Only the Captain to speak to the ref, anyone else is booked. And the Captain has to be in control of their temper too.
- Goaline technology. Decisions can be seen in an instant, far quicker than a dozen players surrounding the ref arguing the toss one way or the other.
- Reduce players salaries, significantly. Even earning a 'mere' £5,000 a week on a 2 year contract will earn over half a million pounds.
- With above reductions, ticket prices can come down to more reasonable levels then we might actually see stadiums fill up. Wigan v Man Utd, lunchtime on Sky and there were still loads of empty seats in the home areas. Same when Middlesbrough were in the PL, lots of empty seats.
- Clubs player salaries to be no more than 70% of their income. No need for salary caps etc. If they want to pay one player £60k a week and the others have to get by on £10k then that's what they have to deal with.
- As said above, no offshore accounts, or even 'image rights' bollox either. I mean, how often have you seen, for example, Tim Ream (Bolton) in magazines or on TV?
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| The if you could change football thread... on 14:17 - Mar 9 with 4528 views | rrrspricey |
Some good points made on here. I’d agree with the rugby approach but with only the captain aloud to approach the ref.
The priority for me has to be cutting out cheating at the top level by lengthy bans. This could be introduced in conjunction with the use of technology. I know people will say it’ll slow the game down but I don’t agree as long as it’s only used in certain circumstances. Let’s take Pens for example. How often does a ref award a pen (for a foul) that’s not disputed? By the time he explained his rationale & the players have stopped harassing him & the lino the 4th official could review the decision &, where necessary, order the offending cheat to be sent off. This could also be done retrospectively if it wasn’t connected to a decision that’s been reviewed.
I know people will moan that if a change can’t be applied at crass roots level it shouldn’t be implemented at the top but that’s bollox. If you cut out cheating at the top it would filter down to grass roots. I never dreamt of diving when I played (to a reasonably high level) in the late 70s/early 80s because it wasn’t prevalent in the professional game.
Not only do players get away with the blatant cheating but the not so blatant in now advocated by pundits and commentators alike. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve told both to fark off (through the tele!) when they’ve said a player was “entitled” to go down because there was contact. No they’re firkin not, a player is only entitled to go down if they can’t possible keep themselves from doing so.
At the end of the day these are highly paid professional sportsmen so start acting in a professional manner and become real role models for young people. Not being fickle here either, I’ve screamed at Adel to “get up you cheating tw@t” on more than one occasion.
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| The if you could change football thread... on 15:28 - Mar 9 with 4508 views | Match82 |
| The if you could change football thread... on 13:05 - Mar 9 by xistens_pet |
I was going to say just that. The draft system in American Football seems like a good template to follow. Awesome youngsters spread about evenly between clubs and even mandatory loans would be a great idea.
I know obviously it would be ideal that players get to choose where they ply their trade but I have little sympathy for being forced to play in the back-end-of-nowhere if you're picking up (or working towards) a footballer's salary. |
The problem with both the US draft system and the salary cap issue is actually the same - these work primarily because the US is the only country which plays the sport (at the highest level).
Take the NFL draft, the best player in that years "class" goes to the worst team. In the Premier League, you could in theory have a system where the 3 promoted teams get the first 3 picks, down to the title winners picking 20th. Setting this up would be difficult (you'd have to have central training facilities with no club affiliation) but not impossible. The good thing about this is that it would level out the talent (initially) in the league, but that's not what the Premier League wants, because it would reduce the ability of Man Utd etc to compete with the other big European teams.
Similarly, it's the European issue which would be a problem for the wage bill. You could set one in the Premier League, but then players would just go abroad to earn more, diluting the quality of the Premier League. The idea about tieing it to a central currency is interesting, but not practical - if it's tied to lets say Euros then the wage budget that QPR has would change randomly based on how well the Sterling is doing - hardly promotes prudent financial planning! Even if you set this on a fixed ratio from today, future values of contracts would be determined on how the Sterling was doing against the Euro, which raises all sorts of other issues
The only solution I can see for the wage cap would be to tie it to income somehow, which would remove the problem about comparing across countries with different currencies. |  | | |
| The if you could change football thread... on 15:37 - Mar 9 with 4500 views | A40Bosh |
Completely changing the topic because I do not want to start a new thread for a pathetic rant, but one thing I would change in football would be to ban the QPR media team from describing the weekly Press Conference as a "Presser", as in "Bolton Presser" or "Fulham Presser".
IF YOU ARE THAT SHORT OF SPACE ON YOUR CAPTION TITLES CALL IT A FKCUING "PRESS-CON" OR SUCH LIKE, AT LEAST SOMETHING THAT HAS SOME SEMBLENCE OF MEANING INSTEAD OF THIS STUPID HABIT OF GIVING EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING A NICKNAME!!
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